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Swingarms and Honda parts, circa 2007.
« on: April 29, 2007, 06:24:52 PM »
I am in the process of rebuilding ZRXfool1's CB750K swingarm. He had purchased Honda's bushings and sent them along, just in case they would fit up and I wouldn't need to build custom-fit ones. His pivot shaft was very stuck inside the arm: it took 48 hours of Liquid Wrench to get it out because it was rusted in place. Rusted?   :o  Those bushings are plastic, phenolic or bronze (if aftermarket), how could they rust?

Here's the surprise for ALL of us, since SOHC bikes use mostly the same parts: Honda's replacement bushings are now made from 4130 STEEL. Yes, so is the pivot shaft. This strange turn of events will cause VERY rapid wear and steel-on-steel seizure very soon after installing stock Honda pivot shafts (aka "collar") and bushings, if done today. Those of you who have done this: GREASE OFTEN, like every 2 months or so, to reduce this problem. I don't know why Honda would do this, but it's clear they have.   ???  Steel-on-steel bearings are seldom, if ever, good design practice, and all of my professional career, has been something to shy away from at all costs. They generate tremendous heat, and seizure nearly always results, in tolerances of sub-thousandths systems like these swingarms have.

In addition, the bushings rust. This damages the pivot shaft, making it look like the picture in this post, which came out of ZRXfool1's swingarm. So, keep those steel units greased, and if you frequent the hi-PSI car wash, frequent that grease gun, too!  ;)

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Re: Swingarms and Honda parts, circa 2007.
« Reply #1 on: April 29, 2007, 06:48:25 PM »
yikes :o  ...thats rediculus, im gonna go grease my swing arm now

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Re: Swingarms and Honda parts, circa 2007.
« Reply #2 on: April 29, 2007, 07:32:42 PM »
Just my luck to have the crappiest arm in the states.When the bike arrived from Boston to the sunshine state,I rolled her off the transport truck thru in a battery and took her for a spin,very nice and tight motor but knew within the first half mile that something was amiss in the suspension dept.Got off and grabbed the rear tire and moved it left to right about a quarter inch,not good!I ordered the new parts from Honda and was about to attempt this task on my own when I ran across the swingarm thread on sohc4 and learned of the swingarm legend known only as HONDAMAN!My mind was instantly made up only one man shall massage my arm and that would be him!So off to the rockies my arm went to have its innards removed and rebuilt by the best.Thanks HM!

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Re: Swingarms and Honda parts, circa 2007.
« Reply #3 on: April 29, 2007, 09:49:45 PM »
So off to the rockies my arm went to have its innards removed and rebuilt by the best.

Well, I can't be so smart as to be the best: it took my until yesterday to "discover" that you sent me your top hat caps, tie-wrapped onto the swingarm...duh.    :-[
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Re: Swingarms and Honda parts, circa 2007.
« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2007, 07:29:52 AM »
hey Chris,
Ive just returned from a business trip so this is the first chance Ive had to see this thread. The CB750K from Boston was of course mine but I have to say I never noticed a problem with the swingarm (and checked for play in the rear last year I think) and not even sure how it rusted so bad since it was kept in a garage ever since I had it (and rarely saw rain). I never had a problem with the suspension when I was riding 2 up or cornering (as I was doing every day to work up until Dec 2006) so I was surprised by this thread. Im sorry that the bike had this problem but I can assure you I had no idea. In any event I hope you are pleased with the rest of the bike and good luck with the newly rebuilt swingarm. Im off to check my  other 2 bikes.

Photo below shows the the bike on one of its last weekend rides in Oct 2006 - top of a local mountain - about an hour from Boston - lots of twisties and riding 2 up.

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Re: Swingarms and Honda parts, circa 2007.
« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2007, 09:00:45 AM »
When I saw this thread and the ZRX name in the owner's box - I couldn't resist. You need to fix him a brace while you're changing those bushings.

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Re: Swingarms and Honda parts, circa 2007.
« Reply #6 on: May 02, 2007, 09:55:48 AM »
When I saw this thread and the ZRX name in the owner's box - I couldn't resist. You need to fix him a brace while you're changing those bushings.

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Re: Swingarms and Honda parts, circa 2007.
« Reply #7 on: May 02, 2007, 10:22:04 AM »
I'm gonna build me one of them swingarms for my 550, they look cool 8)
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Re: Swingarms and Honda parts, circa 2007.
« Reply #8 on: May 02, 2007, 11:38:16 AM »
That wouldn't happen to be the top of Petersburg pass in the Berkshires, would it?

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Re: Swingarms and Honda parts, circa 2007.
« Reply #9 on: May 02, 2007, 11:50:52 AM »
No its the top of Wachussetts mountain just outside Worcester. Was freezing cold in October as well as you can probably tell from the look of the other guys...brrrrrr

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Re: Swingarms and Honda parts, circa 2007.
« Reply #10 on: May 02, 2007, 02:56:34 PM »

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Re: Swingarms and Honda parts, circa 2007.
« Reply #11 on: May 02, 2007, 05:29:19 PM »
Hey Andy,No sweat.It is what it is,Temperatures that cold must have numbed your arse ;)I noticed it immediately, it was all over the place.Overall it is a nice piece.I never had a one that something did'nt need addressing. :-\

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