No, it doesn't. It depends on society's view of what is wrong and right.
I agree, but this is very fluid. Times change and views on what is and is not acceptable changes as well. What your view on right and wrong has more to do with your upbringing and what is morally right and wrong, sometimes these views clash with society's views or what is the popular viewpoint. There are no absolutes.
You smack the guy who is smacking his ol lady around, that to me is right.
Not unless it was part of an intervention and you plan on making a citizen's arrest. If you smack the guy the following day upon learning of the event it is retaliation and an aggressive act by you. You can be charged with assault with fairly easy conviction.
Your reading Way too far into this. My point was, there is a time to take corrective action in certain situations. It may be you are planning to make a citizens arrest, or perhaps it's a relative that you don't necessarily want to arrest, but needs a bit of a "wake up cal".
In any case, I was being vauge for reasons of principle, not literal.
If you allow yourself to become a victim, or allow wrongs to be done to you without reprisal, these action will continue, and get worse.
Okay, but the reprisal or action response must be during the event in question. Not later, as that is premeditated violence, or a second crime.
Never said every action requires violence. I probably didn't convey that point very well, so I can easily understand the confusion.
Point; guy is talking full voice in a movie theater, the best course of action is,
A), Tell him to please quiet down, if it continues, get a theater usher to handle the situation.
B), drag him out of the theater by his hair and proceed to monkey stomp him mercilessly.
C), Do nothing.
Obviously given the choices, answer A) is the best course of action, but you would be surprised (or not) of how many live by answer C).
Doing nothing all the time is simply unacceptable. Apathy is equal to acceptance, which make you just as guilty as the offender.
This is an unconnected leap. Reporting the license number IS an action, and, I feel, your duty. Making your own unilateral judgment and executing sentence, is not.
Again, not ever action requires physical contact. I was thinking of a situation but trying to be abbreviated in my post. You are assuming that I was referring to physical violence, a leap on your part. All I said was take action when there is a wrong rather than do nothing.
Now, there are times when an appropriate amount of violence is necessary, or at least the threat of violence. These times are usually very far and few between, and should be avoided and only as a last resort.
I'd rather not get into that discussion, I feel this is a point were you and I would most likely agree to disagree.
What do people lock the doors to their homes? To keep honest people honest.
Okay. The term nonsequitur, comes to mind.
Her her, I was going somewere with this and it fell off the tracks, nonsequiter indeed.
When there is no repercussion for your actions, the action continues.
Sometimes yes, sometimes no. There is not a cause effect equation here. Humans are unpredictable. Boredom, negligence, and perceived benefit play a part in behavior.
Sigh..
Why do people do things that are offensive to others? because no one told them it was offensive.
Yes, yes, it's a generalization and subject to the response you gave.
Here's my point. My neighbor parks his car on his lawn. I told him that parking your car on your lawn is not an acceptable behavior, he looks at me in complete bewilderment as this is completely normal to him and no one has ever told him that this was wrong.
Sometimes yes sometimes no? perhaps, be there is nothing wrong with taking a stand and making a corrective action when necessary.
Ever live in a place were traffic laws are not enforced? What is the result?
Yes. Gridlock and smartly chaos mixed with politeness. immediately after the Loma Prieta earthquake, the community was without law enforcement presence. There were no cases of vigilante-ism or retaliatory actions that I heard about. Goblins took advantage of the unfortunate and were repelled by the prepared.
What was your point?
I suprized you missed that.
Anyway, my point is without corrective action (in this case, LEO enforcing traffic laws) lawlessness will contine to feaster and eventually become acceptable until corrective action in taken. That is not to say everyone is going to become a lunatic and go nuts with a machete.
Where I live, stop lights became much more of a "suggestion" than an actually law to many. It was epidemic and traffic was getting pretty nasty. Stop light cameras were installed last year, problem solved.
If you see someone spray painting graffiti in your neighborhood, what is your reaction? Do you take action or do you simply turn a blind eye to it?
Take a picture and give it to law enforcement. Phone in a description of the persons violating the ordinance. I'm not about to challenge a gang of miscreants. Provocation of violence includes you as a willing participant and negates victimization. Best be making a citizens arrest and be prepared to press charges and agree to prosecute in court.
Bravado and "macho" do not play well in the courtroom. The man presiding in the chair usually exposes that as foolish.
Cheers,
Again, you are assuming I am talking about something specific. could be one guy, could be a gang of asshats. You are also assuming that I indicated appling violence, not the case.
Taking pictures is a great idea, (just make certain you also get a picture of the licence plate of the car they or he/her is driving).
If you provoke violence, yes, it's not going to work for you, but a verbal confrontation or holding your violator and being prepared to defend yourself against a violent action is perfectly acceptable.
Again, it's a matter of degrees.
