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Re: Is this the New CB750???
« Reply #25 on: October 21, 2007, 02:18:37 AM »
....but is it a "sandcast"?  ;D

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Well actually, the prototype in the pic probably is a "sandcast", if it's an all new engine I doubt that the factory will have built any casting dies as yet. Cheers, Terry. ;D
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Re: Is this the New CB750???
« Reply #26 on: October 21, 2007, 03:18:54 AM »
I don't see a kickstart.

I think the Japanese only fitted kickstarts on their bikes to satisfy die-hard (idiot) British bike fans who didn't believe a bike should come without one ::)  Even Triumph leave them off these days ;)


I see 2 cams and only one bike. However since pretty much every bike from the 80's onward has two cams, there must be SOME reason they do it. Any one care to sum up the advantages of 2 cams over one for me? Being able to have more valves? More reliable? Sounding more sophisticated?

The biggest advantage of two camshafts, as Terry implied, is valve area, using multiple valves (usually 4, but 3 and 5 are both also used) you can get a bigger valve area for a given piston size in comparison with just two, and it's easier to drive multiple valves with a pair of shafts than it is with just one. Bigger valve area equals better air flow, equals more power and flexibility.

There are of course exceptions to the above, the Rolls Royce Merlin and Griffon series aero engines have 4 valves per cylinder, with a single camshaft per cylinder bank, but the rockers are works of art and are a complete bastard to set. And Triumph Cars tried it with their notoriously temperamental 4 cylinder Dolomite Sprint in the '70s, a design that Honda adopted and refined for certain of their V-Tec engines.


PS: Terry, directly driving the valves through buckets introduces a whole new problem for engine designers.  A camshaft by it's nature rotates, with direct opening, thanks to the shape of the cam lobe, a very small percentage of that rotation is unavoidably translated into a very slight rocking motion at the bucket, which is in turn transferred down through to the valve itself.  This is why engines of this type tend to wear their valve guides out relatively quickly, it is also why manufacturers are returning to rocker arms in their valve trains.
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Re: Is this the New CB750???
« Reply #27 on: October 21, 2007, 06:18:58 AM »
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..but don't want to ride around with their asses up in the air and their foreheads resting on their gauges.

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Re: Is this the New CB750???
« Reply #28 on: October 21, 2007, 07:52:13 AM »
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..but don't want to ride around with their asses up in the air and their foreheads resting on their gauges.

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A friend of mine refers to it as "riding like a dog $h!!ting razor blades".

I've heard it described as "a dog humping a football"   ;D

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Re: Is this the New CB750???
« Reply #29 on: October 21, 2007, 07:55:12 AM »
Dog Effing Football ???   ;)

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Re: Is this the New CB750???
« Reply #30 on: October 21, 2007, 08:36:31 AM »
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Bigger valve area equals better air flow, equals more power and flexibility.

Perhaps better control over the air-fuel mix and combustion helps with emission controls as well.
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Re: Is this the New CB750???
« Reply #31 on: October 21, 2007, 09:15:37 AM »
i always tell motocycle dealers i want a bike that ride like my 750
hope that they make this one so i can happily eat my words
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Re: Is this the New CB750???
« Reply #32 on: October 21, 2007, 06:12:54 PM »
PS: Terry, directly driving the valves through buckets introduces a whole new problem for engine designers.  A camshaft by it's nature rotates, with direct opening, thanks to the shape of the cam lobe, a very small percentage of that rotation is unavoidably translated into a very slight rocking motion at the bucket, which is in turn transferred down through to the valve itself.  This is why engines of this type tend to wear their valve guides out relatively quickly, it is also why manufacturers are returning to rocker arms in their valve trains.

That's interesting Crispy, it must be a minute amount of side movement though, on my Suzy GS1000 DOHC engines the bucket moves up and down in a "cylinder" of it's own above the valve, which I would have thought would have negated any "side to side" movement of the valve itself?

I've never heard of excessive valve or valve guide wear in Suzuki GS engines, but as I said before, I'm no expert. Cheers, Terry. :D
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Re: Is this the New CB750???
« Reply #33 on: October 21, 2007, 06:36:03 PM »
I had read somewhere that Honda was developing a new inline 4 cylinder engine for it's sportbikes. They felt that the inline engine had advantages over the V4. If that be the case it is not a stretch that Honda would put a version of that motor in a CB750 reissue. In marketing terms it makes sense, Honda, Kawi, Suzi and Yami were in a superbike war back in the day. The day may be dawning again. All sportbikes look alike, the streetfighters are not much better. I went to the Honda dealer and everything looked alike. Sport or V twin. It may be time for a stupid fast bike with style. Remember in 1969 the CB750 was considered stupid fast.   
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Re: Is this the New CB750???
« Reply #34 on: October 21, 2007, 06:55:39 PM »
My other love is 1970's era Suzuki Musclebikes, so I keep an eye on what the big S are playing with, and even though I'm a couple of years behind, this 2005 concept is soon to hit the streets, apparently. Count those header pipes boys, that's right, there's six of the suckers! ;D

http://www.diseno-art.com/encyclopedia/concept_cars/suzuki_stratosphere.html

 
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Re: Is this the New CB750???
« Reply #35 on: October 22, 2007, 03:42:25 AM »
shim buckets don't wear valve guides faster.
Fiat has used it for years and the set up is the same on
older Ferrari's (I'm not sure about Ferrari's now).

I run the stuffing out of my Fiat and never had an issue with the
valve guides, I do regularly check clearances.
The set up is as Terry describes, a bucket with the shim in it. The bucket
runs in it's on cylinder (machined in the cam housing)  and sits atop the valve.

To me it is the best design for valve set ups.

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Re: Is this the New CB750???
« Reply #36 on: October 22, 2007, 05:44:48 AM »
My other love is 1970's era Suzuki Musclebikes, so I keep an eye on what the big S are playing with, and even though I'm a couple of years behind, this 2005 concept is soon to hit the streets, apparently. Count those header pipes boys, that's right, there's six of the suckers! ;D

http://www.diseno-art.com/encyclopedia/concept_cars/suzuki_stratosphere.html

 

Looks like a pipe organ on two wheels. ;D
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Re: Is this the New CB750???
« Reply #37 on: October 22, 2007, 07:00:47 AM »
Looks like a Katana/Z1300.

Nothing new on the planet guys!  (did someone mention a V5?)
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Re: Is this the New CB750???
« Reply #38 on: October 23, 2007, 10:29:11 PM »
Looks like a Katana/Z1300.

Nothing new on the planet guys!  (did someone mention a V5?)

Only it's narrower than most 4's Steve, and it's damn sexy! ;D
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Re: Is this the New CB750???
« Reply #39 on: October 27, 2007, 08:06:33 AM »
Here are some bike pics that came from the 2007 Tokyo auto show.  So far, no 750...

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Europeans aren't the only ones with a penchant for the cafe racer. Honda introduced the CB1100F Modern Cafe Sports CB concept bike.

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As for Honda's motorcycle lineup, Fukui discussed new environmental and safety technologies being introduced as well as some concept bikes. The CB1100R Prestige Sports CB concept motorcycle looks like a tasteful homage to 1970s-style racers.

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Re: Is this the New CB750???
« Reply #40 on: October 27, 2007, 08:45:39 AM »
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Re: Is this the New CB750???
« Reply #41 on: October 27, 2007, 10:20:15 AM »
what size bike do you think this is?


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Re: Is this the New CB750???
« Reply #42 on: October 27, 2007, 10:41:59 AM »
What?

You mean is it really 1100cc or is it only 8" high?
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Re: Is this the New CB750???
« Reply #43 on: October 27, 2007, 11:16:01 AM »
Do you think that is the 1100F?  If not what size do you think it is?

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Re: Is this the New CB750???
« Reply #44 on: October 27, 2007, 11:24:51 AM »
I'm not sure what size it is, but 750 would be fine with me.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D   Weight at 405lbs with gas and oil, 95/105 rwhp and 11,500 red line. Where do I sign.

Honda's web site doesn't show anything even close for there 2008 bikes, except the 919. Oh well I can dream.  ::)
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I'm not sure what size it is, but 750 would be fine with me.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D   Weight at 405lbs with gas and oil, 95/105 rwhp and 11,500 red line. Where do I sign.

Honda's web site doesn't show anything even close for there 2008 bikes, except the 919. Oh well I can dream.  ::)

I already checked with Honda.  They are getting the 2008 models in now.  The 2008s are the same as the 2007 line-up.  I think the 750 might come out in 2009.

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Re: Is this the New CB750???
« Reply #46 on: October 27, 2007, 01:12:15 PM »
I'm not sure what size it is, but 750 would be fine with me.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D   Weight at 405lbs with gas and oil, 95/105 rwhp and 11,500 red line. Where do I sign.

Honda's web site doesn't show anything even close for there 2008 bikes, except the 919. Oh well I can dream.  ::)

I already checked with Honda.  They are getting the 2008 models in now.  The 2008s are the same as the 2007 line-up.  I think the 750 might come out in 2009.
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I don't suppose there's any kind of spec's that one could find!! Maybe some of the people on here that live/or go to Japan could dig up some info and post it. Honda surely has something figured out by now if they plan on production for 2009. Should I start saving my pennies?
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Re: Is this the New CB750???
« Reply #47 on: November 01, 2007, 01:21:18 PM »
Interesting that this was brought up back in July and no one hopped on that post: http://www.sohc4.us/forums/index.php?topic=24350.0

Apparently the picture that was posted that originally started this hot topic came from cycleworld. Wonder where/how they got this pic of this non-existent bike?!?!

Very disappointed that the 750 was not at the Tokyo Motor show, but here are pics of bikes that were:
http://www.sohc4.us/forums/index.php?topic=27674.0;topicseen

HOLY SH*T!!!!

HONDA DOES HAVE A 750 IN THEIR LINE-UP, BUT IT WAS NOT SHOWN AT THE TOKYO MOTOR SHOW.  GET A GLIMPSE OF IT HERE: http://www.honda.co.jp/motorshow/motor/lineup/index.html

IT DOES NOT LOOK LIKE THE ORIGINAL PIC ON THE FRONT PAGE OF THIS DISCUSSION
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Re: Is this the New CB750???
« Reply #48 on: November 01, 2007, 02:17:03 PM »


          Crying shame we can't get a blowup of that puny little picture.
      Thanks for posting though. Every little bit helps. ;)


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Re: Is this the New CB750???
« Reply #49 on: November 01, 2007, 02:40:47 PM »
that 1100 looks real good
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