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« Reply #50 on: November 02, 2007, 08:10:30 PM »
So where do you go to see a "million dollar CB 750"

 Ive seen a few 100k bikes around our area, but have yet to see a million dollar one..(none of them were Japanese bikes)..

754--that's mike's nickname for his bike... hundreds of hours and "millions" of dollars got him that 98HP sleeper.
It was a nick name given by a counter guy (Frank) at Parkway Cycles in Everett, Massachusetts in the early 90's. He later became the parts manager at Greater Boston Motorsports in Arlington, MA. Frank is back at Parkway as the parts manager......he always smiles when I speak of the great nickname and it's international fame. Believe me....I WISH I came up with it. It fits for all the right reasons and Frank is a great guy.
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« Reply #51 on: November 02, 2007, 08:13:49 PM »
Geez , I guess that would mean there is 2 or 3  million dollar bikes coming out of this valley..lol...

How many of those guys have owned the bike for 31 years?
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« Reply #52 on: November 02, 2007, 08:17:47 PM »
They arent that old but they were built by hand here, I mean more of the bike than most would ever tackle..
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« Reply #53 on: November 02, 2007, 08:45:42 PM »
Geez , I guess that would mean there is 2 or 3  million dollar bikes coming out of this valley..lol...

How many of those guys have owned the bike for 31 years?

Hey Mike, have you nominated yours for the "Before and After" calendar? You should mate! ;D
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« Reply #54 on: November 03, 2007, 08:52:59 AM »
We are arguing about 30 year old bikes...  Carpy does what he does, Mike does what he does...

It's not a pissin' match, it's just the internet.

Carpy's bike has the cafe styling to it, whether that is now cliche or not.  The holes in the covers are intended to look unpatterned, look back at some of his older low end cafe's.  For 2 grand I'd love to have that bike.  Some prefer classic, some prefer sleeper, some prefer mods, some of those weirdo's even build choppers.

All in all, it's the same ole' sohc engine producing the pony's.

Yeah...those wierdo's and their choppers.... ;) ;D ;D ;D
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« Reply #55 on: November 03, 2007, 10:32:25 AM »
Dang, looks like the listing was taken down.  Now I can't see what all the fuss is about.
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« Reply #56 on: November 03, 2007, 11:18:21 AM »
All in all, it's the same ole' sohc engine producing the pony's.

Except it's a DOHC.  Edited to add: In this particular bike it's a DOHC, I know what you meant.

Here you go ofreen.  I don't care for that tank myself, but he gave doing something different a shot.  I haven't fallen in love with any of his bikes, so maybe it's an acquired taste.







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« Reply #57 on: November 04, 2007, 11:45:08 AM »
It's still a Crappy Looking Carpy Cafe in my opinion.  ;)

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« Reply #58 on: November 04, 2007, 02:22:00 PM »
"As you know, my usual machines demand high prices, up to $15K............" Which only goes to show that some people have more money than sense, ha ha! ;D
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« Reply #59 on: November 05, 2007, 09:25:01 PM »
Carpy has been very helpful to me,answering many emails and giving lots of support.....before I found this forum...and before I bought his Dunstal seat pan. I havent posted much, but when I posted a question about rims,or something all I got was "search through the old posts before asking questions" I think the guy is great!

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« Reply #60 on: November 06, 2007, 05:20:44 AM »
I'm doing a full on "nut & bolt" resto-mod on my '71 cb500 - there isn't a single detail on my bike that hasn't been refinished, refurbished, or replaced. I've become intimate with every square micrometer of every part on the bike. I'm super anal about it, and I've been investing some decent $$$ (including about $1000 on wheels & tires). Despite being a sweet bike (when it's done), I can't imagine pulling $3500+ for it.

Which brings me to my point: I saw one of Carpy's bikes (CB500) that he sold for $3500 and I puked in my mouth a little bit. The oil pan looked to have had 30+ years of road grime and oil sludge. Little details like rust removal were apparently non-issues during the restoration and modification process. And the "speed holes" - ha! Don't get me wrong, I think those are cool when done symetrically, but the random pattern with blown out holes looks retarded. We should all be so lucky. Maybe its like the old saying goes: "Don't hate the player... hate the game." But really, adding some knee dents and checkerboard decals does not make a bike cool or custom. And please don't say "I built this bike" unless you really did - bolting on some cheesy crap doesn't count.


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« Reply #61 on: November 06, 2007, 03:38:31 PM »
wow your right... that looks retarded

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« Reply #62 on: November 06, 2007, 07:21:43 PM »
This is my last post on this topic.  Bash it all you want, I won't read it.
 
From what I have seen (in person and on the web) Carpy builds relatively authentic cafe racers.  What is an authentic cafe racer, you might ask?  Let me take you back a few decades (before my time)...  ***dreamy music here***
Back in the 1950's or so, some young snap in GB might have bought a beat up stock bike for a song that he couldn't really afford.  Let's call him Billy, shall we?
Now Billy loves to ride, but doesn't have much jack.  His buddies ride all the time, and some have even made modifications to their bikes.  So billy decides he wants his stocker to be more of a rocker, too.  What does he do?  Well, he does what any poor young sap does with limited resources: he rolls up his sleeves, removes all the dead weight, throws on some clubman bars, and rattles a shiny new coat of black paint on the tank (do the checkers come in a spray can?)
Now that his steed is a bit lighter, brighter and, albeit ever so slightly, more nimble, Billy races off for one of the cafes on the outskirts of his shire to meet up with his buddies (where they will undoubtedly sing camp songs and drink hot chocolate before racing off to the next cafe in the adjacent shire; maybe even hitting that elusive ton!).  Perhaps it's drizzling a bit, but Billy doesn't care (as can be seen by the huge grin spread from ear to ear), because he is doing what he loves!

   ***dreamy music brings us back to the present***

Did you notice all the meticulous detailing Billy put into his cafe racer?  How about those symmetrical holes?  Did he grind all the welds to a perfect finish?  Look at the matching chrome goodies he added!  Certainly he would never install a headlight from an old pickup truck on his bike, would he?   (hint:  the last paragraph was filled with sarcasm)

So here's my nutshell version of what building an authentic cafe racer is all about: getting rid of what isn't necessary in order to make your bike go just a bit faster (and maybe have a bit of fun in the process).  And since I am American, not British, I can also impart a bit of US wisdom to help those still struggling:
Did you happen to own a chopped and channeled hot rod in the 50's?  Did you ever cut louvers in the hood of your Chevy with a pair of tinsnips because it looked cool (and maybe even helped cool your engine block by half a degree)?  Maybe you watched your big brother drag race for pink slips late at night on a deserted road just outside of town when you knew the sheriff was visiting his sister in Tuscaloosa, all the while dreaming of the day when you, too, could build your very own hot rod.

It's the same thing, folks.  Cafe racers in Britain, hot rods in the US.  Whichever you can relate to, the analogy is the same.  The kids all wore the same blue jeans and tee shirts; only their accents were different. 
If you want to restore a bike (or hot rod) back to its original glory, then have at it.  If you want to build the sweetest chopper Jesse James never dreamed of, then get going.  Or if you want to build a fairly realistic cafe racer (as I believe Carpy does - which by definition should NOT be symmetrical and perfect), then start chopping.  Whatever your flavor, WHO CARES!  Just turn off the computer , jump on your (ride of choice) and meet me at the nearest (establishment) for hot chocolate and camp songs.  Who knows, maybe if I cut off the passenger pegs I can do the ton, too! - anybody bring a hack saw?

...and now you are educated.  There are no more excuses.
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« Reply #63 on: November 06, 2007, 09:53:10 PM »
This is my last post on this topic.  Bash it all you want, I won't read it.
 
From what I have seen (in person and on the web) Carpy builds relatively authentic cafe racers.  What is an authentic cafe racer, you might ask?  Let me take you back a few decades (before my time)...  ***dreamy music here***
Back in the 1950's or so, some young snap in GB might have bought a beat up stock bike for a song that he couldn't really afford.  Let's call him Billy, shall we?
Now Billy loves to ride, but doesn't have much jack.  His buddies ride all the time, and some have even made modifications to their bikes.  So billy decides he wants his stocker to be more of a rocker, too.  What does he do?  Well, he does what any poor young sap does with limited resources: he rolls up his sleeves, removes all the dead weight, throws on some clubman bars, and rattles a shiny new coat of black paint on the tank (do the checkers come in a spray can?)
Now that his steed is a bit lighter, brighter and, albeit ever so slightly, more nimble, Billy races off for one of the cafes on the outskirts of his shire to meet up with his buddies (where they will undoubtedly sing camp songs and drink hot chocolate before racing off to the next cafe in the adjacent shire; maybe even hitting that elusive ton!).  Perhaps it's drizzling a bit, but Billy doesn't care (as can be seen by the huge grin spread from ear to ear), because he is doing what he loves!

   ***dreamy music brings us back to the present***

Did you notice all the meticulous detailing Billy put into his cafe racer?  How about those symmetrical holes?  Did he grind all the welds to a perfect finish?  Look at the matching chrome goodies he added!  Certainly he would never install a headlight from an old pickup truck on his bike, would he?   (hint:  the last paragraph was filled with sarcasm)

So here's my nutshell version of what building an authentic cafe racer is all about: getting rid of what isn't necessary in order to make your bike go just a bit faster (and maybe have a bit of fun in the process).  And since I am American, not British, I can also impart a bit of US wisdom to help those still struggling:
Did you happen to own a chopped and channeled hot rod in the 50's?  Did you ever cut louvers in the hood of your Chevy with a pair of tinsnips because it looked cool (and maybe even helped cool your engine block by half a degree)?  Maybe you watched your big brother drag race for pink slips late at night on a deserted road just outside of town when you knew the sheriff was visiting his sister in Tuscaloosa, all the while dreaming of the day when you, too, could build your very own hot rod.

It's the same thing, folks.  Cafe racers in Britain, hot rods in the US.  Whichever you can relate to, the analogy is the same.  The kids all wore the same blue jeans and tee shirts; only their accents were different. 
If you want to restore a bike (or hot rod) back to its original glory, then have at it.  If you want to build the sweetest chopper Jesse James never dreamed of, then get going.  Or if you want to build a fairly realistic cafe racer (as I believe Carpy does - which by definition should NOT be symmetrical and perfect), then start chopping.  Whatever your flavor, WHO CARES!  Just turn off the computer , jump on your (ride of choice) and meet me at the nearest (establishment) for hot chocolate and camp songs.  Who knows, maybe if I cut off the passenger pegs I can do the ton, too! - anybody bring a hack saw?

...and now you are educated.  There are no more excuses.


i hear what you're saying there dude, but this is a site full of people with all kinds of know-how beyond a rosy stereotype. this is a tech forum after all. i think the gist of people's criticism isn't how ratty the bike is, but how its rattiness is mixed with a pretension of being a nice bike, and the reputation he's had for building some nice ones. i've got no problem with him putting this or whatever on ebay, but really-- when you hype a culture and your business to such a degree, you gotta expect a little negative feedback when you half-ass something. but i'm sure he knows that.
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« Reply #64 on: November 06, 2007, 10:00:19 PM »
This is my last post on this topic.  Bash it all you want, I won't read it.
 
From what I have seen (in person and on the web) Carpy builds relatively authentic cafe racers.  What is an authentic cafe racer, you might ask?  Let me take you back a few decades (before my time)...  ***dreamy music here***
Back in the 1950's or so, some young snap in GB might have bought a beat up stock bike for a song that he couldn't really afford.  Let's call him Billy, shall we?
Now Billy loves to ride, but doesn't have much jack.  His buddies ride all the time, and some have even made modifications to their bikes.  So billy decides he wants his stocker to be more of a rocker, too.  What does he do?  Well, he does what any poor young sap does with limited resources: he rolls up his sleeves, removes all the dead weight, throws on some clubman bars, and rattles a shiny new coat of black paint on the tank (do the checkers come in a spray can?)
Now that his steed is a bit lighter, brighter and, albeit ever so slightly, more nimble, Billy races off for one of the cafes on the outskirts of his shire to meet up with his buddies (where they will undoubtedly sing camp songs and drink hot chocolate before racing off to the next cafe in the adjacent shire; maybe even hitting that elusive ton!).  Perhaps it's drizzling a bit, but Billy doesn't care (as can be seen by the huge grin spread from ear to ear), because he is doing what he loves!

   ***dreamy music brings us back to the present***

Did you notice all the meticulous detailing Billy put into his cafe racer?  How about those symmetrical holes?  Did he grind all the welds to a perfect finish?  Look at the matching chrome goodies he added!  Certainly he would never install a headlight from an old pickup truck on his bike, would he?   (hint:  the last paragraph was filled with sarcasm)

So here's my nutshell version of what building an authentic cafe racer is all about: getting rid of what isn't necessary in order to make your bike go just a bit faster (and maybe have a bit of fun in the process).  And since I am American, not British, I can also impart a bit of US wisdom to help those still struggling:
Did you happen to own a chopped and channeled hot rod in the 50's?  Did you ever cut louvers in the hood of your Chevy with a pair of tinsnips because it looked cool (and maybe even helped cool your engine block by half a degree)?  Maybe you watched your big brother drag race for pink slips late at night on a deserted road just outside of town when you knew the sheriff was visiting his sister in Tuscaloosa, all the while dreaming of the day when you, too, could build your very own hot rod.

It's the same thing, folks.  Cafe racers in Britain, hot rods in the US.  Whichever you can relate to, the analogy is the same.  The kids all wore the same blue jeans and tee shirts; only their accents were different. 
If you want to restore a bike (or hot rod) back to its original glory, then have at it.  If you want to build the sweetest chopper Jesse James never dreamed of, then get going.  Or if you want to build a fairly realistic cafe racer (as I believe Carpy does - which by definition should NOT be symmetrical and perfect), then start chopping.  Whatever your flavor, WHO CARES!  Just turn off the computer , jump on your (ride of choice) and meet me at the nearest (establishment) for hot chocolate and camp songs.  Who knows, maybe if I cut off the passenger pegs I can do the ton, too! - anybody bring a hack saw?

...and now you are educated.  There are no more excuses.


Totally agree lighten up people - the bike was a DOHC  in the first place.  It would probably have been stripped down and sold off as parts on EBAY or rotting in someones back garden otherwise.

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« Reply #65 on: November 06, 2007, 10:05:30 PM »

 i've got no problem with him putting this or whatever on ebay, but really-- when you hype a culture and your business to such a degree, you gotta expect a little negative feedback when you half-ass something. but i'm sure he knows that.

He knows it and doesn't really care in my opinion because even being a cheap imatation, it still has his name on it and he'll make money. And that's what people in business try to do. He's even got some people here(that should know better) snowed into buying his hype.
And yes this is my last post on this too, it's gotten more attention than it should.
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« Reply #66 on: November 07, 2007, 06:49:44 AM »
Ksmith....I am officially nominating you for post of the year...very well put!!!

One thing to add though...I bet if this original thread was posted in June or July it would have gone totally unnoticed! Bloody riding season is too short nowadays! Plus we are so looking forward to the next 6 months of rain, snow, sleet and ice...no wonder we are a little on edge around here!

By the way Terry....this was NOT an open invitation to share tales of how warm you or how good the riding is during the Auzzie summer months!!!   ;)

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« Reply #67 on: November 07, 2007, 07:17:50 AM »
The original thread started by me...was "If you want a bashed in tank cafe racer this is for you...."  - that was it......nothing more.....I think Kevin wants this bike.

This thread was never about bashing anyone and unless Kevin hadnt brought that particular negative aspect up, then likely we would have had a few back and forth comments with people expressing their opinions on the aesthetics of the latest bike to come from the well known (to this forum at least) bike assembler/fabricator, Carpy. (I say assembler as I dont see any engine mods done to these bikes - no photos of engines opened up and racing cams dropped in or whatever and thats fine...Carpys trade is making bikes look good, not neccesarily with the "best" engines. Fair enough. Bikers have different needs. Some want looks, some want performance and some want both.

So its kind of ironic that the guy who started the "dont bash Carpy" thread is now leaving us with "bash it all you want, I wont read it" - whos bashing who here!!!? Is having an opinion bashing someone??!! Ive said this before but STILL some people just dont get it...

This Forum is all about SOHC bikes. One of the great things about it is we are all free to have an opinion. The chopper craze came first (late 90`s repeating the 70`s craze) and now we are in the cafe craze (repeating the 60`s)....its the same thing but different styling. We all have our own personal ideas about what makes something look good, but dont forget thats pretty useless without it actually performing as well....it should be comfortable to ride, perform well and look unique....this to me is why SOHC bikes are so good to work with. Sure it can be done with ANY bike but SOHC already have their own unique styling.....thats why we are all here. No ones bashing anyone....now get back in the garage and go make your own "special" creation. Ive done mine.....and ride it every day  ;)

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« Reply #68 on: November 07, 2007, 05:47:23 PM »
Riding season's over ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???

It was a balmy 77 deg. F around the old homestead today.

If that bike makes someone happy then great. If it makes Carpy a buck then that's okay too.
That said, IMO it's still not one of his better efforts.

Let's all agree to disagree.

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« Reply #69 on: November 08, 2007, 10:23:36 PM »
I'm sorry, but I can't agree to agree to disagree....................  ;D


By the way Terry....this was NOT an open invitation to share tales of how warm you or how good the riding is during the Auzzie summer months!!!   ;)

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Hey Dennis, there's no "Z" is "Aussie" mate, but I'm not gonna argue with you, it's too damn hot............. ;D
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« Reply #70 on: November 08, 2007, 10:51:20 PM »
Good job you've got plenty of cold Auzzie beer then. :D :D :D :D :D

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« Reply #71 on: November 09, 2007, 05:31:19 AM »
Terry, that is the correct "Canadian" spelling...(actually no...truth is I am barely literate!!  ;) )

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« Reply #72 on: November 10, 2007, 02:32:45 AM »
Terry, that is the correct "Canadian" spelling...(actually no...truth is I am barely literate!!  ;) )

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Geez mate, you're illiterate and you can't wheelie your CBR, just what the hell are you good at?  ;D
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« Reply #73 on: June 19, 2010, 05:57:38 PM »
I saw that bike on Carpy's website when he had it for sale. The add said that it had been in the back of his garage for a while and was taking up room so he made a quick cafe bike out of it. It was listed at $4k i think. I agree that it looks like crap but his original add clearly stated that it was just thrown together to get it out of the garage.

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« Reply #74 on: June 20, 2010, 05:38:12 AM »
me too,   three years ago       sorry I had to say that