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Remembrance Day poppy
« on: November 07, 2007, 11:50:55 AM »
 Is wearing a poppy still customary in countries other than Canada?
 
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    * During the Napoleonic Wars, the poppy drew attention as the mysterious flower that bloomed over the graves of fallen soldiers.
    * In the 20th Century, the poppy again was widely noticed after soils in France and Belgium became rich in lime from rubble during the First World War. The little red flowers flourished around the graves of the war dead as they had 100 years earlier.
    * In 1915, Guelph, Ontario native John McCrae, a doctor serving with the Canadian Forces Artillery, recorded this phenomenon in his famous poem In Flanders Fields.
    * Two days before the Armistice, Moina Michael, an American woman from Athens, Georgia, read the McCrae poem and was inspired to wear a poppy year-round in memory of the war dead.
    * In 1920, Madame E. Guérin of France visited the United States and happened to meet Miss Michael at the YMCA at Columbia University, where the latter was a volunteer. Madame Guérin then resolved to sell handmade poppies around Armistice Day to raise money for poor children in the war-torn areas of Europe.
    * In 1921, Field-Marshall Earl Haig, the former Commander-in-Chief of the British Armies in France and Belgium and the principal founder of the British Legion, was sold on Madame Guérin's fundraising idea and approved organization of the British Poppy Day Appeal by the Legion to raise money for poor and disabled veterans.
    * The same year, Madame Guérin visited Canada, and convinced the Great War Veterans Association (predecessor to the Royal Canadian Legion) to similarly adopt the poppy as a symbol of remembrance in aid of fundraising.
    * Today, the Poppy Campaign is one of the Royal Canadian Legion's most important programs. The money raised from poppy sales provides direct assistance for ex-service people in financial distress, as well as funding for medical appliances and research, home services, care facilities, and numerous other purposes.

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« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2007, 12:27:11 PM »
Nice post...I get one every year (well several as they are designed to fall off!!!). My grandfather spent many months in a German POW camp...the least I can do is buy a bunch of Poppy's every year!!

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« Reply #2 on: November 07, 2007, 12:32:14 PM »
I only ran into this when I lived in BC.
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« Reply #3 on: November 07, 2007, 01:13:01 PM »
Growing up in small-town America (South-Central Illinois), we saw and bought them every year.

Either I don't get out much anymore, or they don't sell them around here (Norman, Oklahoma) these days.

I can only guess it's somehow not Politically Fascist-ically Correct...


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« Reply #4 on: November 07, 2007, 10:50:15 PM »
Still very much the done thing to wear a poppy here in the uk.
Saw on the t.v. the other day there is now only one Tommy (WW1 vet) still alive, 109 years old. God bless him.

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« Reply #5 on: November 07, 2007, 11:21:26 PM »
I think we are down to our last WW1 vet in Canada..actually lives south of the line..

 about the third from last was from this valley, a resident of Lumby BC about 45 miles from here..
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I always get a poppy, used to sell them when I was a teen in army cadets..
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« Reply #6 on: November 08, 2007, 12:37:12 AM »
Yeah, we do it here in Oz too, all my ancestors were military men, (fancy that!) so it's a big tradition here for us soldiers to wear a poppy around this time of year.

here's a pic of my Grandfather taken in France in 1916 after he was evacuated from Gallipoli. Of his original Battalion (around 800 men) only he and 3 others survived the entire war. Cheers, Terry. ;D

 
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Re: Remembrance Day poppy
« Reply #7 on: November 08, 2007, 02:26:02 AM »
We went through a period in the UK a couple of years ago where the left wing wankers running the BBC decided to make it policy for newsreaders not to wear a poppy >:(
But fortunately a massive public outcry and certain BBC staff defying policy knocked that one on the head ;D
In my part of the UK the vast majority still wear one, young and old alike :)

This year will be the first year in a very long time that I won't be wearing one :(
Not through choice, they're just kind of hard to come by here in Thailand :-\

I'll still be observing the two minutes silence at 11:00 GMT though.
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Re: Remembrance Day poppy
« Reply #8 on: November 08, 2007, 07:00:48 AM »
Growing up in small-town America (South-Central Illinois), we saw and bought them every year.

Either I don't get out much anymore, or they don't sell them around here (Norman, Oklahoma) these days.

I can only guess it's somehow not Politically Fascist-ically Correct...


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LOL!

Veteren's day and memorial day have become nothing more than a day for BBQ's, vacation, drinking excessivly, and one day sales.

I participated with PGR on a veterens day parade in Albuquerque last year, about 60 people showed up to watch the parade. The participants in the parade outnumbered the audience 2 to 1.

I cringe and get pissed everytime I hear a commercial for a "Memorial Day Sale" or some such crap. Talk about missing the point.

No matter, The only people who are going to understand the meaning af both of these days are vets anyway.

It's friggen sad.

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« Reply #9 on: November 08, 2007, 12:09:56 PM »
Isn't that a terrible shame, over here in Oz there's been a real resurgence in interest since 9/11 and our participation in the war in Iraq and Afghanistan etc. This year on ANZAC Day (our memorial day) there was a crowd of upwards of 30,000 at the parade in Melbourne, and record crowds at most of the local suburban parades too. "Lest we Forget", I guess.................  :'(
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« Reply #10 on: November 08, 2007, 12:44:19 PM »
Poppies are sold here in the US by the Veterans of Foreign Wars and The American Legion. I am told it started after our Civil War. So many of the wounded became addicted to Morphine that they were given perscriptions to buy Morphine at any Drug Store. The Poppy symbolized their suffering. Heroin was introduced as a safe and addiction free cure  for Morphine addiction. That sure worked out well. I buy a couple or Poppies each year as a good luck charm. 
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« Reply #11 on: November 08, 2007, 12:48:07 PM »
If you can't get hold of a poppy but you use Facebook and want to support the British Legion you can send a virtual poppy here http://www.britishlegion.org.uk/
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Send a virtual poppy to your friends on Facebook to help raise awareness for Poppy Appeal. We're aiming for 111,111 poppies by Remembrance Sunday and are well on the way

My Grandfather lied about his age and when only fifteen joined the army to fight in the 1914/18 ‘Great War’. He joined the Royal Warwickshire regiment, based at Budbrooke, near Warwick and was in the trenches, just in time to go into battle on his sixteenth birthday!

I have attached a picture of him that my Father gave me showing him in ‘Hospital Blue’. I believe that this means he must have suffered some sort of injury, because it was only hospitalised/convalescent soldiers that wore blue uniforms.

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« Reply #12 on: November 08, 2007, 12:50:58 PM »
I never knew who Moina Michael was until today.  We have a highway here(in Athens) named for her.  I bet the flowers they plant along that road are poppies.
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Re: Remembrance Day poppy
« Reply #13 on: November 08, 2007, 12:56:28 PM »
I stand corrected. here is an excerpt from the Veterans Of Foreign Wars website:

Buddy Poppy

Among all the flowers that evoke the memories and emotions of war is the red poppy, which became associated with war after the publication of a poem written by Col. John McCrae of Canada. The poem, "In Flander's Field," describes blowing red fields among the battleground of the fallen.

For more than 75 years, the VFW's Buddy Poppy program has raised millions of dollars in support of veterans' welfare and the well being of their dependents.

The VFW conducted its first poppy distribution before Memorial Day in 1922, becoming the first veterans' organization to organize a nationwide distribution. The poppy soon was adopted as the official memorial flower of the Veterans of Foreign Wars of the United States.

It was during the 1923 encampment that the VFW decided that VFW Buddy Poppies be assembled by disabled and needy veterans who would be paid for their work to provide them with some form of financial assistance. The plan was formally adopted during the VFW's 1923 encampment. The next year, disabled veterans at the Buddy Poppy factory in Pittsburgh assembled VFW Buddy Poppies. The designation "Buddy Poppy" was adopted at that time.

In February 1924, the VFW registered the name "Buddy Poppy" with the U.S. Patent Office. A certificate was issued on May 20, 1924, granting the VFW all trademark rights in the name of Buddy under the classification of artificial flowers. The VFW has made that trademark a guarantee that all poppies bearing that name and the VFW label are genuine products of the work of disabled and needy veterans. No other organization, firm or individual can legally use the name "Buddy" Poppy.

Today, VFW Buddy Poppies are still assembled by disabled and needy veterans in VA Hospitals.

The minimal assessment (cost of Buddy Poppies) to VFW units provides compensation to the veterans who assemble the poppies, provides financial assistance in maintaining state and national veterans' rehabilitation and service programs and partially supports the VFW National Home for orphans and widows of our nation's veterans.


 It seems a Canadian was the prime mover in it's adoption.
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« Reply #14 on: November 08, 2007, 02:09:12 PM »
Good post there Dave, I never knew the history of the poppy.
Though I'm aware of the origin of the Memorial Day we observe down here.

 

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« Reply #15 on: November 08, 2007, 04:52:27 PM »
"Lest we forget"...wear your poppy with pride.

As to what Dave said in the first post of this thread regarding the poppys starting to grow because the soil became enriched with lime from the rubble.
I don't know if there are any farmers on the forum that might be able to confirm this. I was once told after I saw a field full of poppys that they are grown to enrich the soil. Farmers sow the seed then plow the crop back into the soil as a type of fertilizer.
It's a know fact that poppy seeds will lie dormant for years if left alone, It's only when the soil is disturbed or tilled that the seed will germinate.
At the last place I worked the site was covered in poppys but only when the ground was disturbed.
All those shells that landed on Flanders fields sure did disturb some poppy seeds.

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« Reply #16 on: November 09, 2007, 07:42:49 AM »
"Lest we forget"...wear your poppy with pride.




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« Reply #17 on: November 10, 2007, 02:42:21 AM »
Incredible. I believe J.R. Tolkien wrote "The Hobbit" while fighting in France, as a young Army Officer. Cheers, Terry. ;D
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« Reply #18 on: November 10, 2007, 05:20:40 AM »
Although Rupert Brooke did not see any 'action' during his short time with Churchill's Royal Navy Division during WWI he did write the following very moving sonnet:

The Soldier
If I should die, think only this of me:
That there's some corner of a foreign field
That is for ever England. There shall be
In that rich earth a richer dust concealed;
A dust whom England bore, shaped, made aware,
Gave, once, her flowers to love, her ways to roam,
A body of England's, breathing English air,
Washed by the rivers, blest by suns of home.

And think, this heart, all evil shed away,
A pulse in the eternal mind, no less
Gives somewhere back the thoughts by England given;
Her sights and sounds; dreams happy as her day;
And laughter, learnt of friends; and gentleness,
In hearts at peace, under an English heaven.

Hope you don't mind me posting it here. It doesn't hurt to be a little patriotic especially at such an emotive time as Rememberance Day.

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« Reply #19 on: November 11, 2007, 01:34:15 AM »
Elegy for Dunkirk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6tYtWYWgGo

A short clip from the film 'Atonement' http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0783233/ and quite possibly one of the most moving segments of any film I have seen in the past decade.

Wear your poppy with pride this rememberance Sunday.