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joe cantrell's cb550/cb650 cafe
« on: December 20, 2007, 12:27:02 PM »
starting to get joe's bike together. so far:

-cb550F frame and swingarm
-cb550 rear wheel, laced with SS spokes to a GL1000 aluminum alloy rim (3# lighter than the steel stocker)
-cb650 forks (rebuilt with racetec goldvalve cartridge emulators) and front hub, laced to GL1000 rim
-metzler lasertec tires
-progressive shocks

lots of stuff powdercoated and polished. 650 engine to come.




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Re: joe cantrell's cb550/cb650 cafe
« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2007, 01:38:46 PM »
 Paul
 Whose cartridge emulators are those and what size are they?
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Re: joe cantrell's cb550/cb650 cafe
« Reply #2 on: December 20, 2007, 02:08:17 PM »
Lookin real nice Paul.
Glad to see the beverage container too.

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Re: joe cantrell's cb550/cb650 cafe
« Reply #3 on: December 20, 2007, 02:38:43 PM »
Paul
 Whose cartridge emulators are those and what size are they?

straight from race tech, mike. finally got a hold of them. they're $185 shipped, but i think they'll make a HUGE handling improvement. they should fit all our 35mm forks.
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Re: joe cantrell's cb550/cb650 cafe
« Reply #4 on: December 20, 2007, 05:15:39 PM »
That looks real good.  I got a new project (75 cb750f) a few weeks ago, go it running and was thinking about taking it all apart and painting the frame.  Looking at those pics makes me think I should go for it.  I was red but I really like the look of the silver frame in those pics.  I also like the way you did the inside of the hubs black.     

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Re: joe cantrell's cb550/cb650 cafe
« Reply #5 on: December 20, 2007, 06:51:15 PM »
THAT really looks nice!!!

Paul, are you running a consumer based shop or a private shop?  If your open to some work I wouldn't mind talking with you about a few things I would like done.
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Re: joe cantrell's cb550/cb650 cafe
« Reply #6 on: December 20, 2007, 06:58:32 PM »
Hey Paul,

Good news on those cartridge emulators. I tried forever to get info on these and never got a reply. Maybe time to try again.

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Re: joe cantrell's cb550/cb650 cafe
« Reply #7 on: December 20, 2007, 07:32:45 PM »
THAT really looks nice!!!

Paul, are you running a consumer based shop or a private shop?  If your open to some work I wouldn't mind talking with you about a few things I would like done.

we're a private shop, but i do outside work sometimes on CB's only- usually just to fund my own projects. i usually just buy, fix up, and resell 70's hondas. i just posted an ad on craigslist the other day, actually, offering '70's honda service. we're pretty well equipped though, and my labor rate is cheap. gimme a PM if you want my number.
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Re: joe cantrell's cb550/cb650 cafe
« Reply #8 on: December 20, 2007, 07:35:00 PM »
Hey Paul,

Good news on those cartridge emulators. I tried forever to get info on these and never got a reply. Maybe time to try again.

here's the link:
http://www.racetech.com/evalving/menu/searchstreet.asp
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Re: joe cantrell's cb550/cb650 cafe
« Reply #9 on: December 20, 2007, 07:53:00 PM »
Looks awesome with the new setup - I'm curious what size tires you're running and are the progressive shocks the standard length? Thanks

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Re: joe cantrell's cb550/cb650 cafe
« Reply #10 on: December 20, 2007, 07:57:28 PM »
Looks awesome with the new setup - I'm curious what size tires you're running and are the progressive shocks the standard length? Thanks

i'd have to measure the shocks to be sure, but i'm pretty sure they are stock height. the tires are 100/90/19 and 130/90/17.
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Re: joe cantrell's cb550/cb650 cafe
« Reply #11 on: December 20, 2007, 08:06:33 PM »
just noticed when posting the link to race tech that they list for the cb400, 500, 550, and 750 (don't list for the 650, but the 550 product obviously works).
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Re: joe cantrell's cb550/cb650 cafe
« Reply #12 on: December 20, 2007, 08:07:50 PM »
I bought the shocks several years ago, and IIRC they are stock height.  I might have gone 1/2" or so longer, but remember wanting stock height.

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Re: joe cantrell's cb550/cb650 cafe
« Reply #13 on: January 03, 2008, 06:48:27 PM »
It's been a while since we updated, but here's the bike as it was last night.  We decided go install my black '82 engine with the CV carbs that came with the '80.  The rubber carb insulators on the '82 SC engine were considerably smaller, but port spacing and diameters are identical so a new set of insulators (the ones we have are rock hard) should match things as OEM. 

My hope for the bike is to combine the best features of the CB550s and -650s, together with more modern improvements such as steel braid brake line, modern tires, better lights, lighter weight, and better suspension.  And Paul is well on the way to making it reality.

Paul and I are both artists in our other lives, so this is almost as much an aesthetic collaboration as an engineering one.

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The Raask rearsets' inner mounting bosses were too long, spacing them too far out and making the linkages sit at an angle and the mounting bolts "too short," but milling about 5 mm from them corrected that.  Now the indexing pin for the left peg interferes with the Raask seating fully, but that's easily fixed either by cutting the pin off or drilling the Raask.  My Raasks were very crudely finished; I smoothed them some and Paul bead blasted them, and they're fine now. 

There was an esoteric technical glitch, never to be divulged, on the left peg---but that's fixed.

We're using the CB650 gauges with the 550 idiot lights for now; at some point I will probably either install an LED idiot light array in the headlight shell, or inside one of the gauges.  That's for later. 

Things are starting to happen a little faster now.  Stand by and see what happens!

Anybody know who's got OEM CB650 carb insulators?

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Re: joe cantrell's cb550/cb650 cafe
« Reply #14 on: January 03, 2008, 07:06:15 PM »
Paul
 Whose cartridge emulators are those and what size are they?

straight from race tech, mike. finally got a hold of them. they're $185 shipped, but i think they'll make a HUGE handling improvement. they should fit all our 35mm forks.
They WILL make a hugh difference Paul. I've installed many of them and have them in my FJ. They are the bomb. They used to list for the 550 only then pulled that listing. I called them over the years and asked about the 750 but got nowhere even with measurements in hand. I'm going to order a set tomorrow. Some advice....they will not work well with worn out, sloppy fitting fork components (which just described about 70% of the CB front ends on earth).
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Re: joe cantrell's cb550/cb650 cafe
« Reply #15 on: January 04, 2008, 09:35:48 AM »
paul,your bike lift,is that a harbor freight lift.ive been swapping pm`s with kevin(hahnda) today and he is pleased with his.
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Re: joe cantrell's cb550/cb650 cafe
« Reply #16 on: January 04, 2008, 10:58:41 AM »
paul,your bike lift,is that a harbor freight lift.ive been swapping pm`s with kevin(hahnda) today and he is pleased with his.

yes, it is. i works well enough for me. the platform could be a little more stable, and it could jack up a little quicker (sometimes wish i had bought the pneumatic model), but i got it for 35% off which made it a great buy. i'm always hesitant to recommend anything harbor freight, but i've had it a while with no problems.

my usual harbor freight purchase litmus test: will i have to use this tool more than once?  ::)
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Re: joe cantrell's cb550/cb650 cafe
« Reply #17 on: January 04, 2008, 12:30:21 PM »
cool,i reckon ill just take a whack at it and see how it goes.thanks
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Re: joe cantrell's cb550/cb650 cafe
« Reply #18 on: January 04, 2008, 01:44:57 PM »
These cartridge emulators are also designed for 35mm forks, but for the XS650.  $50 a pair.  What's the difference between $50 and $190 units?

I was contemplating these for my XS650, but wasn't sure of the benefit.

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Re: joe cantrell's cb550/cb650 cafe
« Reply #19 on: January 04, 2008, 01:47:53 PM »
Heads up - the Racetech website specifies the same kit for both the CB550 and the XS650.  FEGV S3001 is the part number for both kits.

If this is the case, then presumably the $50 kit from MikesXS would work just fine in the 550, no?  Seems a bargain at 1/3 the cost.
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Re: joe cantrell's cb550/cb650 cafe
« Reply #20 on: January 04, 2008, 02:41:48 PM »
Heads up - the Racetech website specifies the same kit for both the CB550 and the XS650.  FEGV S3001 is the part number for both kits.

If this is the case, then presumably the $50 kit from MikesXS would work just fine in the 550, no?  Seems a bargain at 1/3 the cost.
I don't know how the materials and tolerances compare to Race Tech stuff. Overtly they appear the same. Give them a go.....the Race Tech units work very well once dialed in.
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Re: joe cantrell's cb550/cb650 cafe
« Reply #21 on: January 04, 2008, 11:37:40 PM »
Heads up - the Racetech website specifies the same kit for both the CB550 and the XS650.  FEGV S3001 is the part number for both kits.

If this is the case, then presumably the $50 kit from MikesXS would work just fine in the 550, no?  Seems a bargain at 1/3 the cost.
I don't know how the materials and tolerances compare to Race Tech stuff. Overtly they appear the same. Give them a go.....the Race Tech units work very well once dialed in.

those in the picture look exactly like race tech's gold valve cartridge emulators. who manufactures them?

EDIT: okay, i just looked at the site, and see no manufacturer's accreditation. just ordered a pair though, so we'll see...
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Re: joe cantrell's cb550/cb650 cafe
« Reply #22 on: January 05, 2008, 05:08:18 PM »
Maybe I should too before MikesXS catches on and raises the price.  Don't know how many manufacturers of this sort of thing there would be out there - presumably Race Tech's are made overseas as well as MikesXS.
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« Reply #23 on: January 07, 2008, 04:09:24 PM »
They probably come out of the same factory in China. ;D

Years ago, when I was into cars in a big way, a mate was building a Chev 350, and he needed a performance cam, so I suggested that he get his old cam re-profiled locally, but he told me that he'd rather spend the money and buy a "known brand" billet cam from the US, so he bought a "Sig-Erson" cam, which cost him a fortune back in the days when the Aussie dollar was only worth half a buck US. Good cam though, worked well.

A couple of years later I was given an old Suzuki GS1000 based drag bike, and I wanted to get the cams re-profiled to a more streetable grind, (I put the engine in a standard bike) so I took them to Wade Camshafts here in Melbourne, Australia, and while I was waiting, I noticed a heap of "Sig Erson" camshaft boxes. I asked the guy there why, and he said, "We make all Sig Ersons cams, then box them up and ship them back to the US"! If only my mate had known, he could have probably saved a lot of money.Cheers, Terry. ;D
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Re: joe cantrell's cb550/cb650 cafe
« Reply #24 on: January 10, 2008, 05:17:52 AM »
I don't know any better, but.......

Since the CB 500 /550 and CB 750K all use 35mm forks, would these (XS650) emulators work in the 750 too?

Thanks, Dimitar

Never mind.  I just went to Racetech website.  Both CB750 and XS659 use the same part number.  SO the cheap emulators will work.

Thanks for the thread.  I learned something new and useful.
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