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My nephew's new car (95 Toyota Corolla) started acting up.   He is heart-broken.  He saved money from mowing neighborhood yards for 2 years to buy the car all by himself.  He's a good kid.

The car is stumbling, harder to start, and just over-night I can barely get it to drive/move.   It starts and will idle.  Not as clean and smooth idle as I would expect a Toyota to have.   I can also get to 3-4k rpm and rev the motor in neutral - it sounds pretty good.     

But - it you put it into drive or reverse it stumbles very badly and just wants to die - like it's not getting any fuel or air or something.  Very clunky.

He's only 15 - about to be 16 and knows little to nothing about cars, or anything with a motor but is willing to learn.   I've got him a pretty good tool kit started - Socket set, wrenches and a good set of screw drivers etc.

So... our plan is to start with the cheap stuff first.  New spark plugs, O2 sensor, and a fuel filter & air filter.    In the manual (that I just bought him) it wants you to relieve the pressure in the fuel system by opening the gas tank and then removing the radio to get to a relay that needs to be unplugged.  Then crank the car over a few times until it stalls, thus relieving the pressure.

Now, I've swapped out many a few filter without really going by this procedure - just how much pressure is in these fuel lines?   Do I really need to yank the radio out ?   Or just do it the old-fashioned way and spill a bit of gas ?

Any other obvious things you guys could suggest ?     
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Re: Fuel Filter question - Toyota Corolla - trouble shoot - diagnosis - HELP
« Reply #1 on: December 21, 2011, 11:38:19 AM »
How many miles on it?

I would look at the rotor and distributor cap while you are poking around under the hood, new plugs, wires, maybe a new ignition coil too.

They had me disconnect the battery on my Honda of same vintage to change out the fuel pump, I would guess that is all you would need to do to change to fuel filter, it shouldn't be high pressure, just have some rags ready to soak up some gas.
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Re: Fuel Filter question - Toyota Corolla - trouble shoot - diagnosis - HELP
« Reply #2 on: December 21, 2011, 11:58:54 AM »
I would look at the rotor and distributor cap while you are poking around under the hood...
It probably has coil packs instead of a distributor cap and rotor.

I would also check the MAP or MAF sensor, whichever it has. If you can get the car to auto zone or advanced auto, either place will check your error codes for free, then try to sell you the part to fix it. There may be codes even if the check engine light is not on.
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Re: Fuel Filter question - Toyota Corolla - trouble shoot - diagnosis - HELP
« Reply #3 on: December 21, 2011, 02:03:49 PM »
At the moment, it has just over 100,000 miles.   It has a MAP sensor, but no MAF sensor.  I'll check that as well.

I may have to tow it up to auto zone and have them scan the codes.  Don't want to drive it as it sits.   I picked up a fuel filter and we're going to try that first  as well as the plugs.

Any other ideas or suggestions, we're all ears.
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« Reply #4 on: December 21, 2011, 07:46:00 PM »
Sounds a lot like a stopped up fuel filter.  The fuel system probably uses about 30 to 40 PSI to operate FTW.  Also another way to relieve pressue is to find the gauge port on the fuel rail, it's usually just a schrader valve.  Just put a rag over it and depress the core, I've used that method befoe personally.  The last few filters I've done were on crown vic cop cars, and I just take them off no bleeding off of pressure I've not had one spay me yet.  And this is with them coming in hot right off the road.

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Re: Fuel Filter question - Toyota Corolla - trouble shoot - diagnosis - HELP
« Reply #5 on: December 21, 2011, 10:39:55 PM »
Ah yes, if a check engine light comes on then a code read would help- the local auto store place will usually give a free code read if you don't have one.
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« Reply #6 on: December 22, 2011, 03:39:02 AM »
Sounds like you're on the right track with replacing the fuel filter and plugs.

The fuel system is under a bit of pressure. If I remember right; the filter is on the firewall. I think you'll need to remove the air filter to gain access. Follow the manual, take the fuel cap off, but I wouldn't remove the fuel pump relay. I use my impact wrench with a six-point socket (I think its 17mm), wrap a shop rag around the fitting and loosen it. You will get some gas out of it. These banjo type fittings are typically hard to get off, so be patient and use the right tools.

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Re: Fuel Filter question - Toyota Corolla - trouble shoot - diagnosis - HELP
« Reply #7 on: December 27, 2011, 06:32:04 PM »
To check out your fuel filter just try to blow through it with your mouth. Almost any resistance is too much. Plugs are universal, same as your bike. Automotive wires usually sucumb to wearing against each other or really anything, the telltale signs are small white tracks or lines or spots an the wires where the spark is arcing out. Spray the ignition system with a fine mist of water and check for arcing or the motor dogging out. The only o2 sensor that affects performance to that degree is the upstream, or pre- cat one. It's purpose is mainly for air fuel metering, the down stream or post-cat is to measure the catalyst efficency. If taking off the filter cover does not help, look else where than the air filter, a little dirt will not kill it. Toyotas are BULLETPROOF i've personally seen many well beyond 200k miles. if the motor sounds good go for it. Best of luck.<( EDIT )> I wanted to add that if it is seeming like your O2 sensor try unpluging it, it should go into a default mode with no signal, and have somebody rev it up while you check exhaust flow, you could have a blockage or a kinked pipe.
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Re: Fuel Filter question - Toyota Corolla - trouble shoot - diagnosis - HELP
« Reply #8 on: December 27, 2011, 07:52:30 PM »
I took my Explorer to Kwik Kar I think it was to replace the fuel filter.  I could not get the darn thing off, tried for hours, ruined the tool I had to buy to get it off.  They charged me $45 for the filter and replacement together.  They can do it next time too!
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Re: Fuel Filter question - Toyota Corolla - trouble shoot - diagnosis - HELP
« Reply #9 on: December 27, 2011, 10:07:28 PM »
+1 on the plug wires, I'd replace 'em anyway......
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« Reply #10 on: December 28, 2011, 06:42:06 PM »
my car was running (or not so much) as this one sounds.i would try the fuel pressure reg.

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