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Proper long term storage of bikes
« on: August 26, 2006, 03:57:55 PM »
Hi,
I have about a dozen vintage bikes that have been restored. I can't possibly ride all of them to keep things working properly. I only ride a couple of them and the rest just set. Some of them are nice enough I wouldn't want to risk a scratch or chipped paint by riding. What is the best way to prepair these bikes for long term storage (over two years).
Here are a few of my concerns. I'm sure I'm overlooking something.

I know the tanks and carbs should be drained but should they be filled with something to prevent rust or corrosion from forming over the years? Something that won't go bad or evaporate.
What to use to prevent cylinder rust and rings sticking?
Is there something that can be applied to chrome to prevent rust yet not collect dirt?
Is there something that will protect aluminum from corrosion.
Should the air be let out of the tires and the bike blocked up?
Something short of sealing them in a glass container and pumping all the air out.
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Re: Proper long term storage of bikes
« Reply #1 on: August 26, 2006, 04:18:20 PM »
1. Get the bike off the tires, so they don't flatspot.
Or you can park the bike on carpet or something else soft.
2. You can wax the chrome and leave it dry , to protect it. I do that to the bumpers of my 55 when I put it away for the winter.
3. Top off the tank with some good gas and use a stabilizer such as STA-BIL so it doesn't turn to water/varnish. Run the bike with the
fuel for awhile then shut the petcock off and let the carbs run dry. I was told to run the bike once every few months to get things lubed up internally.
4. If the battery is kept in the bike, put it on a slow trickle charger such as a battery tender, or other related product. They sell units that have multiple outputs for someone with more than one vechile. Keeps the battery at a constant 12 volts, so the battery it ready to go when you are.
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Re: Proper long term storage of bikes
« Reply #2 on: August 26, 2006, 05:35:50 PM »
Might read through this also. I'm assuming you have a garage, if heated you are lucky. If not heated, I always used a cotton cover only to allow better air circulation.

http://www.clarity.net/%7Eadam/winter-storage.html

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Something short of sealing them in a glass container and pumping all the air out.

Don't laugh, though not glass, there are storage bags that you roll the bike into, zip up and there is a container of desiccant inside to absorb moisture. If your bikes are that valuable, you might consider them if you have an unheated environment and cold winter months.

http://www.carvaluesplus.com/moto_jacket_for_motorcycles.htm
« Last Edit: August 26, 2006, 05:38:17 PM by Bob Wessner »
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Re: Proper long term storage of bikes
« Reply #3 on: August 26, 2006, 06:49:14 PM »
Excellent web site covering bike storage! Thanks.
Those bike bags may be something I'd do. The shop isn't heated except when I'm out there and have a fire in the stove.
Any idea how long gas stabilizer is good for? I'm sure that over time even gas that has some in it would go bad.

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Re: Proper long term storage of bikes
« Reply #4 on: August 26, 2006, 07:32:39 PM »
The gas stabilizer is only good for a few months.  If you are storing your bike for that long, get the gas and battery out of the bike.  Get a coat of WD-40 on the inside of the gas tank and drain the oil.  You will want new oil after a couple of years of sitting anyway.  When you want to start the bike again, you can squirt motor oil into each cylinder and turn the motor by hand.

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Re: Proper long term storage of bikes
« Reply #5 on: August 28, 2006, 09:09:37 AM »
Has anybody used "Marvel Mystery Oil"? I had it suggested to me, bought some, but never used it. How do you use it?
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Re: Proper long term storage of bikes
« Reply #6 on: August 28, 2006, 09:42:14 AM »
You can use "fogging" oil in the cylinders too.
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Re: Proper long term storage of bikes
« Reply #7 on: August 28, 2006, 10:05:07 AM »
Marvel Mystery Oil is great, Just fill up every cylinder with the stuff. Now Gasoline varnishes badly, but Kerosene does not. Kerosene is oily. WD-40 is mainly Kerosene.  I have a Kawasaki stored and I filled the tank to the brim with Kero and it will not rust or gum up. The Gasoline vapors from the float bowl will cause a varnish coating, so flush everything with Gumout or whatever if you are leaving them dry. Or fill them with Kero also.  Plain old Vasolene is great for protecting parts from moisture and rubs off easier than grease. Like was said before, heavy coat of wax left to dry is very good.
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Re: Proper long term storage of bikes
« Reply #8 on: August 28, 2006, 12:27:33 PM »
My take; block the bike up. Partly for the tire's sake, but mostly for the wheel bearings.  Wrap the tires up in plastic to slow aging.  Drain EVERYTHING and plug everything back up.  Spray the inside of the tank with WD-40 and make a dessicant "teabag" to hang in the tank.  Dessicant can be had at most hardware-type stores and it absorbs moisture.  Put some kind of oil in the plug holes and turn the engine over a couple of times.  Drain the carbs/float bowls.  Cover everything with wax.  If you prefer, you can leave everything at my house and I'll run them once a month for you.  It's a lot of trouble, but anything for a brother.
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Re: Proper long term storage of bikes
« Reply #9 on: August 29, 2006, 06:05:57 PM »
I used Marvel Mystery Oil in an oil-guzzling Chevy with some success.  I used a quart of oil in 250 miles, but with a bottle of Marvel in a tank of gas, that quart could stretch for 600 miles.  Conveniently, that was the range of a full tank.  The Marvel cost was break-even or even a little more expensive than the oil, so I quit.

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Re: Proper long term storage of bikes
« Reply #10 on: January 12, 2008, 11:09:18 AM »
Hi Guys:

I haven't posted in a while, been busy at work and haven't had any big issues with my bike in some time.

I'm resurrecting this dead thread for a bit of storage advice.

Last year, I rented storage for my bike, and it cost me $70 a month for 5 months.  Lot of money for really only a few bad months of weather here in northern california, especially for a bike I paid 600 bucks for.

This year, I was travelling alot for work and this fall missed all the storage sheds with outer doors.  So I'm gonna store it here at home under my deck (It's a second floor deck) with a tarp suspended above to shed water and my regular cover underneath.  It does get pretty wet and foggy here in the winter, and so today I'm going to clean up my bike and get it ready for the next few months.

Mostly I'm worried about the chrome getting rusty -- my pipes are fairly new.  So what do you suggest?  WD40 is easy to apply and remove but it seems to come off eventually.

Does anyone use something thicker, like fogging oil or ???

Thanks,

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Re: Proper long term storage of bikes
« Reply #11 on: January 12, 2008, 11:23:12 AM »
What about grease?

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Re: Proper long term storage of bikes
« Reply #12 on: January 12, 2008, 12:34:16 PM »
Yeah, I was wondering about using grease too -- I'm sure it'll be a #$%* to get off but it should keep off the moisture.

Anyone ever tried this?

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Re: Proper long term storage of bikes
« Reply #13 on: January 12, 2008, 12:46:49 PM »
Shouldn't be too difficult to get the grease off in the Spring.  Just use a degreaser like Simple Green in a spray bottle and then wash the bike like you normally would. 

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Re: Proper long term storage of bikes
« Reply #14 on: January 12, 2008, 02:14:27 PM »
Hey Gordon:

Thanks.  I think I'll be a guinea pig on this one.

2 years ago I didn't bring the bike in out of the rain (but it was covered), and we got about 80 inches that year -- my engine, which had been bead blasted when rebuilt (and therefore didn't have any of the "plating" they have stock) was really corroded between the cooling fins and all...

Last year, I stored it (at great expense) and it hardly rained at all.

This year, like I said I snoozed, and don't really feel like spending the money for storage.

I'll look for some spray-on grease and give everything a light coat.

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Re: Proper long term storage of bikes
« Reply #15 on: January 12, 2008, 02:50:41 PM »
Here's the procedure we used, as "professionals"  :-\  in our bike shop (in the 1970s). I wrote it down so my mechanics wouldn't forget a step, and it worked perfectly for up to 3 years (that was the longest we ever stored one):
1. Change the oil, then run the engine. Then clean it real thoroughly with a hi-pressure cleaner ("quarter car wash" is good), grease the swingarm, oil the chain and, if your bike has cables without the plastic inner liners, oil the cables. If your clutch lifter is a greasable type, grease it.
2. Remove the sparkplugs, squirt in about 1/2 ounce of oil (3 tablespoons) in each cylinder. Slowly turn the engine over 4 times, put the plugs back in (fresh plugs are better), tightened normally.
3. Drain gas from tank, petcock bowl, and each carb's bowl (remove bowl for best results, see below...). Get a long spray tube for CRC or WD40, and spray the inside of the tank, don't miss the top, gas cap gasket, petcock bowl and its fuel gasket, and each carb's innards and float bowl (go lightly in the later items, more in the tank). Alternately, remove the tank, pour some CRC or WD40 inside and roll it around thoroughly, let the stuff drain THROUGH the petcock, and close it all back up.
4. If you have a wet-sump bike, add 1-2 quarts more oil (i.e., fill it up) to cover the gears and bearings. By the way, storage oil quality and weight is unimportant, as you must drain it all anyway after long-term storage, as it absorbs water from the air while it sits. Normally, the heat of running would burn off the water, but it won't, now.
5. We always added proper air pressure to the tires and checked them every month, but had the wheels up off the ground. The air pressure procedure is debate-able, I think...
6. Wax the whole bike (except windshield, if so equipped), not with Carnuba wax (it absorbs water too much). If you are so fortunate as to have access to a fogging gun or paint gun, mask off the plastic parts (instrument glass, windshield, side covers) and spray with WD40/CRC or cosmolene instead of waxing.
7. Remove the battery.
8. Electrics: add a drop of oil onto the big posts of the starter solenoid, each of the 6 contacts for the alternator (unless yours has the little black rubber covers on them), and the voltage regulator's 3 contacts. No need to pull them off, just add the oil to close them in from air and water. (This is actually a good thing to do regularly, anyway.)
9. Extra-thorough: open up the switch modules on the handlebars and spray a little CRC/WD40 on the switch contacts, then close them back up.

You will likely find, if stored over 2 years, that the fuel lines will require replacement because the ethanol in our gas today extracts the flexibility from them, and having no fuel at all in them will later make them brittle and leaky when you start it up again. We used to replace them when going into storage as a method of solving this problem "up front", even before ethanol appeared, if the bike was at least 2 years old.
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Re: Proper long term storage of bikes
« Reply #16 on: January 12, 2008, 02:56:52 PM »
The problem with WD40 or CRC is that they evaporate.  WD is some mighty fine stuff, just not always appropriate.  I've always wanted to try fogging oil in the gas tank.
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Re: Proper long term storage of bikes
« Reply #17 on: January 13, 2008, 06:58:50 AM »
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Something short of sealing them in a glass container and pumping all the air out.

Don't laugh, though not glass, there are storage bags that you roll the bike into, zip up and there is a container of desiccant inside to absorb moisture. If your bikes are that valuable, you might consider them if you have an unheated environment and cold winter months.

http://www.carvaluesplus.com/moto_jacket_for_motorcycles.htm

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