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Re: Ford Corp sends cease and desist over Fan Club Calendar
« Reply #25 on: January 16, 2008, 03:24:59 PM »
I guess I think rather simplistically. If I were one of these manufacturers, I would love to see my brand name out there and I find it hard to believe that these calendars or T-shirts would threaten the ownership of the logos... but then I'm neither and attorney nor particularly litigious.

Branding is a very powerful sales tool.
The manufacturers want to control the association of their brand logos.  This is done by using fees for use of the logo.  This way, they can charge minimal fees for uses that associate well with their logo and excessive fees for those associations which cast them in a poor light. You'll see more of this control as the Web and vehicles like You tube become even more popular and useful as a sales tool.
Advertising uses association to make you feel good, either subliminally or outright, whenever you see their logo or brand name.  This leads to consumers preferring their brand and being outright loyal to the brand name/logo.  This equates to sales dollars.

For example, if you post a picture of a dog pile with a company logo on it, the logo owner may demand you remove it, as this association does not advance the logo/Brand, and the logo is something you do not own or have legal control over.  The more people that see this picture, the more strongly you can expect legal action.

In order to retain control of said logo or brand name, the more vigorous you need to be attempting to control said name. Since, when these matters come before a court, incidents where you obviously ignored such control will be seen as detrimental to your cause.  And, the particular incident may be interpreted as you holding a grudge against a particular party.

This is a natural occurrence of a litigious happy society.  And, the desire to get something for no or little effort.

This is also happening in the model airplane industry, too.  Scale model airplane manufacturers are now seeing demand for royalties from sales of model kits, too.  There is not much margin for profit in these things and the fees manufacturers are asking, either adds significantly to the sales cost or makes kit manufacture completely uneconomical.  There is still some debate over whether the likeness of the completed model is actually copyrighted.  But using, say, the Cessna name on the box or decals incurs royalty fees.

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Re: Ford Corp sends cease and desist over Fan Club Calendar
« Reply #26 on: January 16, 2008, 05:16:56 PM »
I remember a similar thing happened a few years ago in the 1:24 model car world too.  The last of the 555 sponsored Subaru Impreza WRC cars was way later than the rest of that year's field coming out in kit form because Tamiya couldn't get an agreement from British American Tobacco ::)

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Re: Ford Corp sends cease and desist over Fan Club Calendar
« Reply #27 on: January 16, 2008, 05:48:39 PM »
You will notice that many model kits have the "Officially licensed by ----" on the box. I have seen some reproduction reissued AMT 3in1 kits where they re-did the artwork to eliminate items on the box that were not licensed; there in 1964, missing in 2008.

Anyway, I figure Ford figured that the Mustang group was way too big, out of hand, and perhaps these calendars were going to non-members for profit. Maybe in stores? Ford pulled in the ropes.

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Re: Ford Corp sends cease and desist over Fan Club Calendar
« Reply #28 on: January 16, 2008, 06:47:39 PM »
How do you spell #$%*s in four letters?




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Re: Ford Corp sends cease and desist over Fan Club Calendar
« Reply #29 on: January 16, 2008, 08:48:44 PM »
Well, now that we've discussed the hell out of this, and convicted Ford of being a bunch of meanies, has anybody actually seen the calendar in question?

For all we know, it might be a bunch of axe murderers posing with skulls on the hoods of their Mustangs.
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Re: Ford Corp sends cease and desist over Fan Club Calendar
« Reply #30 on: January 16, 2008, 09:57:49 PM »
Check out BMC again and you wil see that this issue is resolved. more of a problem with the printer cafe press.
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Re: Ford Corp sends cease and desist over Fan Club Calendar
« Reply #31 on: January 17, 2008, 03:51:42 AM »
Here is a link to the final resolution message on BMC's website, along with a letter from Ford:

http://www.bmcforums.com/showthread.php?t=42820
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Re: Ford Corp sends cease and desist over Fan Club Calendar
« Reply #32 on: January 17, 2008, 10:01:13 AM »
4 wheeled cafe racers.....
I disagree with that analogy.  Cafe racers have had things removed to lighten them, improving handling & acceleration.  These "wings" they add to these little cars only degrade their performance.


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Re: Ford Corp sends cease and desist over Fan Club Calendar
« Reply #33 on: January 17, 2008, 03:54:09 PM »
I'm glad they cleared up that mess.

Interesting that it takes someone from Communications to clear up a Legal mess   :D :D :D

Sounds like CafePress jumped the gun.  Makes me wonder if their legal department is gun-shy. ;D

Thanks for posting the resolution link.
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Re: Ford Corp sends cease and desist over Fan Club Calendar
« Reply #34 on: January 17, 2008, 04:04:58 PM »
zazzle.com deleted all of our stuff too because of the word Honda

interesting to find out that we were thinking about going back to cafepress to avoid the problem only this ford thing happened via cafepress.

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Re: Ford Corp sends cease and desist over Fan Club Calendar
« Reply #35 on: January 17, 2008, 05:00:07 PM »
It is kind of scary how quick everyone is to blame the company without finding out what really happened.

I guess it is just really easy to believe the whole "evil, rich corporation" theme.

Goes to show you why Marx is so popular, even though he just don't make no damned sense.
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Re: Ford Corp sends cease and desist over Fan Club Calendar
« Reply #36 on: January 18, 2008, 06:36:34 AM »
Karl or Groucho? ;D

Threats then facts. The way of the world unfortunately...
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Re: Ford Corp sends cease and desist over Fan Club Calendar
« Reply #37 on: January 18, 2008, 10:24:59 AM »
Well after hearing for the last 7 years with GW, we are used to threats then facts. We are also used to the facts not justifying the threats. ::)