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Best Aftermarket Shocks
« on: January 16, 2008, 04:20:26 PM »
I'm wondering what the collective wisdom is on aftermarket shocks.  I spend most of my riding time getting to and riding in twisty mountainous terrains. More sport bike/performance oriented. I weigh about 200 lbs and am considering Ikon/Progressive and Hagon.  I have used Progressive and Ohlins on other bikes and have been happy with their products but am wondering what success others have had with the various brands on the 750.  I expect also to do fork springs.  Thanks for any advice..Jim

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« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2008, 05:34:35 PM »
What's your budget?  Works Performance, Wilbers, YSS, Hyperpro can all provide with some very nice stuff with lots of preload, compression, and rebound adjustment.  These types of shocks will run well over $500 with some topping $1000.   Ikon may offer some pretty decent adjustability as well.  For less money you will get less adjustability but there should be some decent options from YSS, Progressive and Hagon.  I have a set of stainless steel body Hagon's on my current project that work very well, look very nice, but have only preload adjustability.  Around $220.
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« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2008, 06:36:48 PM »
 I've got Hyperpro's. Very nice product. Sparty just got some YSS pieces....he seemed happy with the quality.
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« Reply #3 on: January 16, 2008, 06:53:59 PM »
Putting $1000.00 shockers on a CB750 is like buying a 10 dollar hooker a fur coat.

Ikons (Aussie for Koni) are great shocks you can order with different spring rates, and come with adjustable pre-load and damping, and are rebuildable.

It's your money of course, but in my opinion, these bikes aren't gonna handle any better with more expensive shocks, unless you spend a lot on sorting the frame and front end. Cheers, Terry. ;D
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« Reply #4 on: January 16, 2008, 07:39:27 PM »
yeah what Terry said, that hooker doesn't even need a fur coat.
without that comfortable wallow on the 750 you would need the whole lot..frame shocks tyres etc etc
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« Reply #5 on: January 16, 2008, 07:58:26 PM »
My Koni's made a huge difference on my CB550 over the stock, probably worn-out at 8K miles, shocks.  The difference was like night and day.  They've held up very well over 20,000 miles, too.

I understand that they are rebuildable, but haven't needed to do so yet.  I don't know what the rebuild costs and turnaround time are like, so I don't know if that is an advantage or not.
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« Reply #6 on: January 17, 2008, 05:49:45 PM »
You can buy rebuild kits for Koni's from Ikon here in Oz for only a few dollars Ed, and if your shocks have done 20,000 miles in all kinds of weather, I'd recommend it.

I pulled a set of 7610 series Koni's (9 years old, but only 6000 miles) apart last year and they were full of rusty sludge where water had bypassed the damper rod seal and contaminated the damping oil on both shocks.

I replaced the seals, O rings etc with new items from Ikon and used ATF for damping fluid, and they felt much better, and even before the rebuild I thought they felt really good. Cheers, Terry. ;D 
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« Reply #7 on: January 17, 2008, 07:07:25 PM »
Thanks Terry, I'll have to pull mine apart and have a look before it warms up outside.

I wonder why Koni stopped making motorcycle shocks?  They still make auto shocks in the Netherlands.

I found the US distributor for Ikon shocks and parts at http://www.ikonsuspensionusa.com

They have CB550 shocks (7610-1302) listed at $314.99 in their online store.
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« Reply #8 on: January 17, 2008, 07:47:43 PM »
Redwings...are they rebuildable?

A pair came with the CB750K0 parts bike I picked up. I haven't checked them out, but I was thinking I'd keep them....especially if they are rebuildable.
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« Reply #9 on: January 17, 2008, 08:20:49 PM »
Thanks Terry, I'll have to pull mine apart and have a look before it warms up outside.

I wonder why Koni stopped making motorcycle shocks?  They still make auto shocks in the Netherlands.

I found the US distributor for Ikon shocks and parts at http://www.ikonsuspensionusa.com

They have CB550 shocks (7610-1302) listed at $314.99 in their online store.

Koni decided to concentrate on car shockers and sold the manufacturing rights to their Australian distributor, who called themselves Ikon as a hint to their roots. The Koni's are good shocks for sure, (I've got them on three bikes) and as parts are freely available, if you're gonna keep your bike for a long time, they're cheap.

Greg, the Redwings are a "budget" shock, not very good, and not rebuildable. YSS (Taiwanese) are making reasonable quality shocks at budget prices, but their "lower end" shocks aren't rebuildable either. Cheers, Terry. ;D
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« Reply #10 on: January 17, 2008, 11:11:47 PM »


I went for YSS All Chrome for £70 and I find these to be well up to the task.

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« Reply #12 on: January 18, 2008, 03:54:06 AM »
I'm happy with the hagons on mine ;D
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« Reply #13 on: January 18, 2008, 05:34:03 AM »


This what we bought(me and my brother),did received anything yet.

http://cgi.ebay.fr/Motorcycle-gas-shocks-Nitrogen-BLACK-fit-Vmax-Sportster_W0QQitemZ370014803697QQihZ024QQcategoryZ10490QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Bert Id be really interested to know how you get on with these shocks....look good to me! Update when you get them please!

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« Reply #14 on: January 18, 2008, 05:49:49 AM »
Thanks Terry, I'll have to pull mine apart and have a look before it warms up outside.

I wonder why Koni stopped making motorcycle shocks?  They still make auto shocks in the Netherlands.

I found the US distributor for Ikon shocks and parts at http://www.ikonsuspensionusa.com

They have CB550 shocks (7610-1302) listed at $314.99 in their online store.

Koni decided to concentrate on car shockers and sold the manufacturing rights to their Australian distributor, who called themselves Ikon as a hint to their roots. The Koni's are good shocks for sure, (I've got them on three bikes) and as parts are freely available, if you're gonna keep your bike for a long time, they're cheap.

Greg, the Redwings are a "budget" shock, not very good, and not rebuildable. YSS (Taiwanese) are making reasonable quality shocks at budget prices, but their "lower end" shocks aren't rebuildable either. Cheers, Terry. ;D

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I have a couple of sets of Koni's that are supposedly rebuildable but it didn't seem so straight forward to me.  These are the aluminum bodied ones btw.  Some of the the internal rubber/plastic bits in mine had turned to goo.  From what I understand (Ikon confirmed this) this is very common and it doesn't matter whether the shock was in use or sitting on a shelf.  All the parts are gooped up including the foot valve which has many many little pieces and is supposedly tensioned at the factory for proper performance.  How do you clean it?  Well you take it apart and somehow put it back together recreating the factory setting.  The fragile piston head on the internal shaft was also a #$%* to get off and I broke one in the process.  Again everything was so badly gooped that the whole thing had to come apart. Hell even opening the shocks up is difficult as they often require a special spanner.  Where do you get this spanner?  Well you have to make it yourself of course.  I spoke at length with Ikon and they have some of the parts for rebuild but not all.  Koni themselves were completely un helpful with no info or parts.  Bottom line is that I had a very different experience than you with the Koni's and I often see them for sale on Ebay with the "don't worry they are rebuildable" line but I have a couple of pretty looking paper weights laying in my basement saying otherwise.  Ikons seem to be nice shocks but they aren't exactly cheap.

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Thanks Terry, I'll have to pull mine apart and have a look before it warms up outside.

I wonder why Koni stopped making motorcycle shocks?  They still make auto shocks in the Netherlands.

I found the US distributor for Ikon shocks and parts at http://www.ikonsuspensionusa.com

They have CB550 shocks (7610-1302) listed at $314.99 in their online store.

Koni decided to concentrate on car shockers and sold the manufacturing rights to their Australian distributor, who called themselves Ikon as a hint to their roots. The Koni's are good shocks for sure, (I've got them on three bikes) and as parts are freely available, if you're gonna keep your bike for a long time, they're cheap.

Greg, the Redwings are a "budget" shock, not very good, and not rebuildable. YSS (Taiwanese) are making reasonable quality shocks at budget prices, but their "lower end" shocks aren't rebuildable either. Cheers, Terry. ;D

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I have a couple of sets of Koni's that are supposedly rebuildable but it didn't seem so straight forward to me.  These are the aluminum bodied ones btw.  Some of the the internal rubber/plastic bits in mine had turned to goo.  From what I understand (Ikon confirmed this) this is very common and it doesn't matter whether the shock was in use or sitting on a shelf.  All the parts are gooped up including the foot valve which has many many little pieces and is supposedly tensioned at the factory for proper performance.  How do you clean it?  Well you take it apart and somehow put it back together recreating the factory setting.  The fragile piston head on the internal shaft was also a #$%* to get off and I broke one in the process.  Again everything was so badly gooped that the whole thing had to come apart. Hell even opening the shocks up is difficult as they often require a special spanner.  Where do you get this spanner?  Well you have to make it yourself of course.  I spoke at length with Ikon and they have some of the parts for rebuild but not all.  Koni themselves were completely un helpful with no info or parts.  Bottom line is that I had a very different experience than you with the Koni's and I often see them for sale on Ebay with the "don't worry they are rebuildable" line but I have a couple of pretty looking paper weights laying in my basement saying otherwise.  Ikons seem to be nice shocks but they aren't exactly cheap.
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« Reply #16 on: January 18, 2008, 07:29:10 AM »
Hei Bert

Nice shocks indeed, the only thing suspicious is that the spring rate of a V-Max would be way out for a CB750 or CB500 as the seller claims. those v-Four Yammies were really heavy and had drive shafts, so the shocks had to be quite hard to keep shaft torque reaction under control. any idea what rate do the springs have?

dont be surprised if they'll feel rock solid on a sohc, but then, springs are easy to change.

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« Reply #17 on: January 18, 2008, 11:01:20 AM »
A year ago I got shocks off ebay by some guy that had loads of them laying around. I think A bunch of us got these shocks. They are a little stiff but when riding 2up they work great. My bike does corner pretty well though. I think Terry got some too. He said they worked pretty good for him too. I suppose I should see about rebuilding mine as I do not know how long they sat.

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« Reply #18 on: January 18, 2008, 11:29:12 AM »
Putting $1000.00 shockers on a CB750 is like buying a 10 dollar hooker a fur coat.

Ikons (Aussie for Koni) are great shocks you can order with different spring rates, and come with adjustable pre-load and damping, and are rebuildable.

It's your money of course, but in my opinion, these bikes aren't gonna handle any better with more expensive shocks, unless you spend a lot on sorting the frame and front end. Cheers, Terry. ;D

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« Reply #19 on: January 18, 2008, 01:13:06 PM »
Hei Bert

Nice shocks indeed, the only thing suspicious is that the spring rate of a V-Max would be way out for a CB750 or CB500 as the seller claims. those v-Four Yammies were really heavy and had drive shafts, so the shocks had to be quite hard to keep shaft torque reaction under control. any idea what rate do the springs have?

dont be surprised if they'll feel rock solid on a sohc, but then, springs are easy to change.

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« Reply #20 on: January 18, 2008, 01:13:41 PM »


This what we bought(me and my brother),did received anything yet.

http://cgi.ebay.fr/Motorcycle-gas-shocks-Nitrogen-BLACK-fit-Vmax-Sportster_W0QQitemZ370014803697QQihZ024QQcategoryZ10490QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Bert Id be really interested to know how you get on with these shocks....look good to me! Update when you get them please!

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« Reply #21 on: January 18, 2008, 02:45:22 PM »
Thanks Terry, I'll have to pull mine apart and have a look before it warms up outside.

I wonder why Koni stopped making motorcycle shocks?  They still make auto shocks in the Netherlands.

I found the US distributor for Ikon shocks and parts at http://www.ikonsuspensionusa.com

They have CB550 shocks (7610-1302) listed at $314.99 in their online store.

Koni decided to concentrate on car shockers and sold the manufacturing rights to their Australian distributor, who called themselves Ikon as a hint to their roots. The Koni's are good shocks for sure, (I've got them on three bikes) and as parts are freely available, if you're gonna keep your bike for a long time, they're cheap.

Greg, the Redwings are a "budget" shock, not very good, and not rebuildable. YSS (Taiwanese) are making reasonable quality shocks at budget prices, but their "lower end" shocks aren't rebuildable either. Cheers, Terry. ;D

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I have a couple of sets of Koni's that are supposedly rebuildable but it didn't seem so straight forward to me.  These are the aluminum bodied ones btw.  Some of the the internal rubber/plastic bits in mine had turned to goo.  From what I understand (Ikon confirmed this) this is very common and it doesn't matter whether the shock was in use or sitting on a shelf.  All the parts are gooped up including the foot valve which has many many little pieces and is supposedly tensioned at the factory for proper performance.  How do you clean it?  Well you take it apart and somehow put it back together recreating the factory setting.  The fragile piston head on the internal shaft was also a #$%* to get off and I broke one in the process.  Again everything was so badly gooped that the whole thing had to come apart. Hell even opening the shocks up is difficult as they often require a special spanner.  Where do you get this spanner?  Well you have to make it yourself of course.  I spoke at length with Ikon and they have some of the parts for rebuild but not all.  Koni themselves were completely un helpful with no info or parts.  Bottom line is that I had a very different experience than you with the Koni's and I often see them for sale on Ebay with the "don't worry they are rebuildable" line but I have a couple of pretty looking paper weights laying in my basement saying otherwise.  Ikons seem to be nice shocks but they aren't exactly cheap.

Yeah, I'm sorry mate, I should have specified that I was really talking about the Koni 7610 series shocks. The old alloy bodied (or even old steel bodied) non-adjustable damping shocks were rebuildable back in the 1970's and early 1980's, but I'm surprised that Ikon carry anything for them at all, and it's to their credit that they keep anything for 20+ year old shocks.

The problem with ancient alloy bodies and steel threaded rod guides is that electrolysis sets in, and as you say, they're almost impossible to separate, and I think that's why Koni went back to all steel bodies. I use an adjustable pin spanner that I found in a tool shop to open mine up, with no problems.

The Koni 7610 series shocks that have been around since the mid 1980's that come with adjustable damping as well as rebound, and are fully rebuildable are the same shocks that Ikon are still building, and all the parts you'll need to rebuild them are available from Ikon.  As you say, all you've got now is some pretty looking paperweights, but considering their age, I'm surprised that you're surprised?

Eldy, the shocks we all bought from that guy in Colorado (can't remember his name, but he was a nice bloke) were German "Boge" shocks, made under license in Mexico. Boge were standard equipment on some European bikes, including my old BMW R100RS, so really nice quality and the tools for disassembling them came with them. I actually like them better than the old Koni's, for that reason alone. 

Crispy, the Hagons are fine, and quite reasonably priced.

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« Reply #22 on: January 18, 2008, 02:49:20 PM »
Terry, have you rebuilt any of the boge shocks you got? I wonder if it is required. I would hate to open them up and then have them self destruct!

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« Reply #23 on: January 18, 2008, 02:58:39 PM »
G'Day Eldy, nah mate, I assembled the springs onto the shocks myself, and therefore had the opportunity to check out the damping on each shock, and they were both the same, (according to my patented damper "guess-o-meter") so I'd say they they're fine. They certainly work well at speed! I think I've got one set still disassembled, and I might pull em apart one day just to change the damping oil, but there's no rush. Cheers, Terry. ;D
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« Reply #24 on: January 18, 2008, 03:16:44 PM »
Thanks Terry, I'll have to pull mine apart and have a look before it warms up outside.

I wonder why Koni stopped making motorcycle shocks?  They still make auto shocks in the Netherlands.

I found the US distributor for Ikon shocks and parts at http://www.ikonsuspensionusa.com

They have CB550 shocks (7610-1302) listed at $314.99 in their online store.

Koni decided to concentrate on car shockers and sold the manufacturing rights to their Australian distributor, who called themselves Ikon as a hint to their roots. The Koni's are good shocks for sure, (I've got them on three bikes) and as parts are freely available, if you're gonna keep your bike for a long time, they're cheap.

Greg, the Redwings are a "budget" shock, not very good, and not rebuildable. YSS (Taiwanese) are making reasonable quality shocks at budget prices, but their "lower end" shocks aren't rebuildable either. Cheers, Terry. ;D

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I have a couple of sets of Koni's that are supposedly rebuildable but it didn't seem so straight forward to me.  These are the aluminum bodied ones btw.  Some of the the internal rubber/plastic bits in mine had turned to goo.  From what I understand (Ikon confirmed this) this is very common and it doesn't matter whether the shock was in use or sitting on a shelf.  All the parts are gooped up including the foot valve which has many many little pieces and is supposedly tensioned at the factory for proper performance.  How do you clean it?  Well you take it apart and somehow put it back together recreating the factory setting.  The fragile piston head on the internal shaft was also a #$%* to get off and I broke one in the process.  Again everything was so badly gooped that the whole thing had to come apart. Hell even opening the shocks up is difficult as they often require a special spanner.  Where do you get this spanner?  Well you have to make it yourself of course.  I spoke at length with Ikon and they have some of the parts for rebuild but not all.  Koni themselves were completely un helpful with no info or parts.  Bottom line is that I had a very different experience than you with the Koni's and I often see them for sale on Ebay with the "don't worry they are rebuildable" line but I have a couple of pretty looking paper weights laying in my basement saying otherwise.  Ikons seem to be nice shocks but they aren't exactly cheap.

Yeah, I'm sorry mate, I should have specified that I was really talking about the Koni 7610 series shocks. The old alloy bodied (or even old steel bodied) non-adjustable damping shocks were rebuildable back in the 1970's and early 1980's, but I'm surprised that Ikon carry anything for them at all, and it's to their credit that they keep anything for 20+ year old shocks.

The problem with ancient alloy bodies and steel threaded rod guides is that electrolysis sets in, and as you say, they're almost impossible to separate, and I think that's why Koni went back to all steel bodies. I use an adjustable pin spanner that I found in a tool shop to open mine up, with no problems.

The Koni 7610 series shocks that have been around since the mid 1980's that come with adjustable damping as well as rebound, and are fully rebuildable are the same shocks that Ikon are still building, and all the parts you'll need to rebuild them are available from Ikon.  As you say, all you've got now is some pretty looking paperweights, but considering their age, I'm surprised that you're surprised?

Eldy, the shocks we all bought from that guy in Colorado (can't remember his name, but he was a nice bloke) were German "Boge" shocks, made under license in Mexico. Boge were standard equipment on some European bikes, including my old BMW R100RS, so really nice quality and the tools for disassembling them came with them. I actually like them better than the old Koni's, for that reason alone. 

Crispy, the Hagons are fine, and quite reasonably priced.

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