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Tires for motorcycles - newbie alert
« on: January 17, 2008, 03:26:14 PM »
I'm in the midst of a CB500 restoration and am bewildered at the type and cost variation of tires.  I've seen some on all kinds of sites, but I have a lot of questions.  What are the various benefits of the different types.  What are ribbed tires for?  Any kinds (styles) to avoid, or any makes to avoid?

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Re: Tires for motorcycles - newbie alert
« Reply #1 on: January 17, 2008, 04:27:04 PM »
ribbed... for her pleasure  ;D



















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Re: Tires for motorcycles - newbie alert
« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2008, 04:49:35 PM »
ribbed... for her pleasure  ;D

sorry... couldn't resist  ;)

Aren't you supposed to be putting together the BOTM voting?

'minds me of a joke.  What do you do with 365 used condoms? 















Make them into a tire and call it a good year.



Sorry dkruitz, no real help from me.  I'm going with Dunlops when I get new tires since they're the only tires made in the USA.  I'm not sending money to China unless I have to.
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Re: Tires for motorcycles - newbie alert
« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2008, 05:09:27 PM »
damn!

i think i need a BOTM alarm clock.
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Re: Tires for motorcycles - newbie alert
« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2008, 05:19:09 PM »
I have been looking at these.

http://www.bikebandit.com/product/3470

But the question I have is that they are tubeless. Are you able to run tubeless tires with a tube? Or can you just use a different stem on the rims to allow for no tube?

Another set I have been looking at are these

http://www.bikebandit.com/product/3557?WT.mc_id=5255

I like the tread of the first set better, but these are tube type.

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« Reply #5 on: January 17, 2008, 05:43:17 PM »
Personally, I like the K70's myself asthetically.   grip wise, they look like a dual purpose on/off road tire.

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Re: Tires for motorcycles - newbie alert
« Reply #6 on: January 17, 2008, 06:07:55 PM »
Another possibility are Avon Road riders,new technology but classic sizes,I just ordered a set won't know until the spring too much snow...

http://www.avon-tyres.co.uk/motorcycle/?page=tyres&method=showtyre&id=6

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Re: Tires for motorcycles - newbie alert
« Reply #7 on: January 17, 2008, 09:10:56 PM »
I see not too many fond comments for the Cheng Shin tires on other threads on the board.  What about Duro or IRC?  I'm not trying to be overly cheap, just don't want to overspend on tires to start with.

Has anyone tried these IRCs?
http://www.americanmototire.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=33_145_153


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Re: Tires for motorcycles - newbie alert
« Reply #8 on: January 17, 2008, 10:09:53 PM »
ribbed... for her pleasure  ;D

sorry... couldn't resist  ;)

Aren't you supposed to be putting together the BOTM voting?

'minds me of a joke.  What do you do with 365 used condoms? 















Make them into a tire and call it a good year.



Sorry dkruitz, no real help from me.  I'm going with Dunlops when I get new tires since they're the only tires made in the USA.  I'm not sending money to China unless I have to.

Dunlops made in the US?  At least the TT100's/K81's are made in Japan.....

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Re: Tires for motorcycles - newbie alert
« Reply #9 on: January 18, 2008, 05:43:36 AM »
Dunlops made in the US?  At least the TT100's/K81's are made in Japan.....

Now I can't find the page on their site that said it.  Thanks for that info.  It did say:  "Dunlop is still the only manufacturer to produce motorcycle tires in the U.S." 

So that could mean that not all are made here, but they're the only one that still makes some here. 
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« Reply #10 on: January 18, 2008, 05:55:14 AM »
I have no problem at all with Cheng Shins. They last, they are cheap, they will hold the road as good as the bike is capable of. Where is the down side. Worst tires I ever had were Conti's. They wore out fast. I have Cheng's on several bikes including the Guzzi I'm restoring.
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Re: Tires for motorcycles - newbie alert
« Reply #11 on: January 18, 2008, 07:41:46 AM »
Dunlops made in the US?  At least the TT100's/K81's are made in Japan.....

http://www.dunlopmotorcycle.com/infocenter_about.asp

Dunlop's site makes this claim.  I know they are a subsidiary of goodyear, so at least they're definitely an american tire brand
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Re: Tires for motorcycles - newbie alert
« Reply #12 on: January 18, 2008, 08:17:08 AM »
Thanks for the info on that, at least some tires are made here still...

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Re: Tires for motorcycles - newbie alert
« Reply #13 on: January 18, 2008, 10:16:36 AM »
Ive put cheng shins on my bikes without any problems but im also not dragging pegs in the turns. they also come in that dunlop tread pattern to look vintage.
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I think I'll be busy going for a ride.

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Re: Tires for motorcycles - newbie alert
« Reply #14 on: January 18, 2008, 10:36:36 AM »
Still trying to find out about ribbed tires - what are they for/like compared to "regular" tires? 

Bender01: which Cheng Shin tires did you use - several different models/tread types I have no idea what to go with.

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« Reply #15 on: January 18, 2008, 10:50:22 AM »
How cheap are you lookin to go? I got my bridgestone spitfires for about 70 each or so,at the dealer.

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« Reply #16 on: January 18, 2008, 11:09:31 AM »
Ribbed tires have the tread grooves running around the circumference of the tire.  The Hondas of the era were all designed to use this popular, at the time, design type.  If you want to know how sweet these bikes handled when new, seek out this type.  As pavement grooving became more widespread, ribbed tires fell out of favor, as the bike will feel "squirely" as the tire tries to follow the street grooves.  While not actually a performance issue, the bike feel left inexperienced riders uneasy and left severe operator induced butt clenching.  Being an ex Navy man, I learned that having the deck feel like it's moving about, really didn't change the responsiveness or controllability of the bike.  It still went where I wanted, when I wanted, the seat just moved about while doing so.  It really wasn't all that unpleasant a "massage", if you think of it that way.  Though it did cause me to double check the suspension components and tire pressures with more scrutiny.  ;D

The "modern" tread designs have tire grooves running at angles to the tire rotation.  These are less likely to follow pavement grooves, which inspires more confidence in riders, so they can drive well beyond their limits.  :D  However, this design relies more on contact patch size for traction while leaned over, than the ribs doing their grab thing under lateral loads.  For the same narrow size tire with the same rubber compound, ribbed tires corner better on these bikes than the "modern" tread designs.  Of course, road surface composition/condition will play an important role in max traction scenarios.

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Re: Tires for motorcycles - newbie alert
« Reply #17 on: January 18, 2008, 11:23:24 AM »
Wow, great reply!  Thanks for the info.  I'll have to check to see if I've got grooved surfaces around here. I'd like to try to keep it looking vintagey if you know what I mean.

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« Reply #18 on: January 18, 2008, 09:12:13 PM »
My 550 has cheng shins model
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 dennis kirk has them for 38$ front and 41$  rear.Your honda dealer can order them probably for same or less and no shipping.
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« Reply #19 on: January 18, 2008, 09:17:47 PM »
Just come across this site in my own search for tires... too bad they had no place to check off "Canada" on their order form or I would have ordered from them :(
http://www.tiresunlimited.com/default.htm

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Re: Tires for motorcycles - newbie alert
« Reply #20 on: January 18, 2008, 11:32:50 PM »
i ordered from tires unlimited, good service and i got them fast.

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Re: Tires for motorcycles - newbie alert
« Reply #21 on: January 19, 2008, 06:53:12 AM »
Just come across this site in my own search for tires... too bad they had no place to check off "Canada" on their order form or I would have ordered from them :(
http://www.tiresunlimited.com/default.htm



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Re: Tires for motorcycles - newbie alert
« Reply #22 on: January 19, 2008, 07:43:50 AM »
cheng shin aren't that bad, and one thing not very many people know is that they are made by metzler. i have been running them on my elsinore since the mid 80's, and if you check them out some of the metzlers have very similar tread patterns 8)
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Re: Tires for motorcycles - newbie alert
« Reply #23 on: January 19, 2008, 09:03:21 AM »
cheng shin aren't that bad, and one thing not very many people know is that they are made by metzler. i have been running them on my elsinore since the mid 80's, and if you check them out some of the metzlers have very similar tread patterns 8)

Same tread pattern doesn't mean same compounds or same quality.

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« Reply #24 on: January 19, 2008, 09:14:18 AM »
Same tread pattern doesn't mean same compounds or same quality.
true, but you have to remember, you buy an inexpensive tire, you're not going to get as high quality as a more expensive brand.   the old saying you get what you pay for is too true.