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Offline City Boy

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Calling Down Under
« on: January 29, 2008, 08:47:31 PM »
Hi gang.Caught a show today on Discovery .It mentioned that Auckland endured the longest power outage,I think 1998,lasting 66 days.So what the heck happened?And compared to the 2 or 3 days  outage that befell New York in 1978,prompting a fair bit of mayhem on the streets,what was the societal impact in Auckland.Since I recall hearing nothing in the media here in the Great White North I'm guessing all went well!Rock On!
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« Reply #1 on: January 29, 2008, 08:59:21 PM »
nah mate, we cut the cable  ;D
not everyone went without power for so long, a major cable blew and created problems with the rest of their network. so as usual the rest of the country(read the Mainland) had to rescue the yuppy swine
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Re: Calling Down Under
« Reply #2 on: January 29, 2008, 09:08:01 PM »
Scunny.Now I'm more confused than before I asked the questions!!!!Rock On
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« Reply #3 on: January 29, 2008, 09:14:17 PM »
they couldn't have a latte  ;)
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« Reply #4 on: January 29, 2008, 09:45:06 PM »
Pleez Pleez Pleex,I came seeking knowledge,not ridicule.Rock On
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Re: Calling Down Under
« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2008, 02:44:33 AM »
City,

This the one you are referring to?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998_Auckland_power_crisis
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Re: Calling Down Under
« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2008, 03:38:07 AM »
The background was that under the reforms of the government in power at the time, the whole situation was set up perfectly. Under the old regime there was a Ministry of Works who planned ahead and built generating plants to provide capacity. They were also responsible for the transmission of power and the maintenance of lines and supply. Also for the forecast of the requirement for new generation capacity. No problem. Power was sold to consumers basically at cost. Perfect. But, oh dear, how old fashioned and inefficient.

Then the new regime, and I can't remember if they were Thatcherite Wannabe Socialists or Torys, they are pretty much all the same, decided to "de-regulate" the electricity game. One of the rules was that an electricity provider couldn't own the transmission lines. It was split off. So all the smart money got into generation and supply, where the income was, and no one got into transmission, where the costs of upkeep and maintenance were. The competing providers would supposedly drive prices down as they touted for the consumers' business. NOT. They were all talking to each other on the side, price fixing, unproven apart from the consumers monthly power bill and general impression that things were a hell of a lot worse rather than a lot better!

So the lines were neglected and the inevitable happened. All these reforms were sold to us, the people of New Zealand, as the perfect capitalist solution that would bring power prices down as suppliers competed for our dollar. Guess what?  The cost of power to the consumer has risen year after year after year. Doubling and trippling the cost to the consumer as top heavy providers gouge the consumer for their last dollar.

I despise them all. The politicians, smart money people, who thought they knew better than the average man in the street who didn't want their perfect power supply, planning and transmission regime interfered with.

It's been an unmitigated effing dissaster!
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Re: Calling Down Under
« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2008, 05:54:02 AM »
Thank you Bob and Collector,I get the picture now.The deregulation part is scarily similar to what occurred here in Ontario.I wonder who the real conspirators are behind this worldwide trend?Rock On.
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Re: Calling Down Under
« Reply #8 on: January 30, 2008, 07:36:26 AM »
Chicken and Egg.

Thatcher's Britain and 80's New Zealand.

The Kiwi economy was held up to us in the UK as the perfect capitalist model. Your story predates ours by a few years but we are now suffering from exactly the same problem. My father worked for the CEGB (Central Electricity Generating Board) in the 60s and 70s. In those days the UK looked down their noses at the US as we had 3x as much capacity as demand.

Guess what.  After 20 years of deregulation we are no better, if not worse than anything in NA.

BTW, for electricity read railways. The ownership of the track was split from the operating of the trains. This was supposed to generate competition but only succeeded in running down the track to such a level that we have bad train crashes and the fancy new trains either can't run at all or are severely restricted in the speed at which they operate.

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Re: Calling Down Under
« Reply #9 on: January 30, 2008, 08:16:24 AM »
Pleez Pleez Pleex,I came seeking knowledge,not ridicule.Rock On

Where was the ridicule? ???

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« Reply #10 on: January 30, 2008, 09:42:25 AM »
no ridicule on my part. TC just put it in more words. the very ones who drove the reforms got bitten on the bum :) too bad some normal people got caught in it
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