Topic: sabotage and help needed

[Bob550four]

I'd tear it down now and check all the oil passages. If one passage gets clogged your looking at a possible major rebuild. Better safe than sorry IMO!!!

I agree 1000% on this.    if that paint got into an oil passage and plugged it, or say your oil pump, which is very possible, being the pump and its pickup arent too high in the engine, you're screwed.

motor rebuilds arent fun.

[DME]

People are weird. I work with Air Traffic Controllers and associated people involved in all sorts of pretty skilled professions, they mostly earn pretty good money. And yet, someone is stealing stuff out of lockers, bags, handbags. Stealing the money out of honesty boxes. Stealing food and money from the cafeteria. They obviously don't do it because they are short of money. He, she, they, just do it to fu*k with our heads. Management, as usual, are totally useless at setting up a sting operation. A "strongly worded" message in the daily email round seems to cut it for them. How pathetic!

Three collegues from my time in the trucking business lost their jobs in a "sting".

There had been large amounts of diesel missing and it had been going on for quite some time.
The owner set up some hidden cameras in the garage, and low and behold, these three guys were siphoning fuel from the trucks almost every night, straight into their own cars and in jerrycans....

Allegedly they were all confronted with accusations of theft first, and when they denied they were shown the tapes.... and fired on the spot.

According to the owner (who is a very straightforward guy), he would have let them stay on if they had confessed without the video.
He didn´t want guys around that would lie to his face though.

I fully understand him!

Cheers
Dan

[tortelvis]

dont know first hand if this works, but I think it would. Take fuel line and a trash bag (heavy duty) and use the fuel line to push it down into the gas tank. The idea is that the trash bag floats around in the tank and will get around fuel intake sporadically causing an intermitent stall of the engine. after a few minutes of sitting the bag floats away and engine runs again until the bag gets sucked up again. I dont know how well the plastic would survive in the tank, but even if it disolves it should make one hell of a mess to injectors, jets etc.

I think you'll find that a ping pong ball works even better. The Viet Cong used to put a grenade in a gas tank wrapped in tape with the pin pulled. Gas disolves the adhesive and...BANG!

[Terry in Australia]

I don't think you'd get a grenade into a gas tank now sadly.........

[BobbyR]

If I had a mean bone in my body I would insert several candles into the filler neck. The wax will dissolve and deposit itself on  the injectors and other surfaces. I imagine performance would suffer slowly and be hard to diagnose.

Find his email address and sign him up to Gay and Fetish websites using a Money Order.

Break a key off in his door locks.

Snip off the valves on his tires.

Tape some controlled substances under his car and call the Cops. Plant some at his workstation and drop a dime to the bosses.

You could also go Old School and beat the tar out of him with a Baseball bat from behind. Take his wallet and make it look like a mugging.

[TwoTired]

You could also go Old School and beat the tar out of him with a Baseball bat from behind. Take his wallet and make it look like a mugging.

  I just watched a show on TV where they had a test dummy instrumented for measuring G shock loads.  The goal was to determine if a hockey stick or a baseball bat was more injurious.
The Hockey stick was one quarter of the rated limit to cause a concussion.  The baseball bat was 200 times over the concussion limit.  Essentially, if the dummy was a real person, he'd be dead.

I'd say, and I'd imagine a jury would too, that killing someone for putting paint in your engine was excessive force, and warrant an extensive incarceration event, at least.

And, how long will the pride for a sneak attack from behind last anyway.  Unless, of course, you ARE a psychopath.

    

[Terry in Australia]

I agree TT, beating the craap out of someone is ok on TV or in cartoons, because next day you're not sitting in jail waiting for him to die so you can be charged with murder, or worse still, sweating at night when you should be asleep, waiting for someone to put two and two together and realize that you're the #1 suspect.

I think that a confrontation is inevitable, but my advice (for what it's worth) is to set up a meeting with your superviser as mediator, and tell the guy that you want financial compensation for what he's done, (for your time and effort to properly strip and clean the engine, whether you actually DO the work is optional) or, you'll return the favour and pour a can of POR15 paint into his engine, first chance you get.

That way he can't say he wasn't warned, and you remain the good guy, in the eyes of your employer. Cheers, Terry.

[BobbyR]

You could also go Old School and beat the tar out of him with a Baseball bat from behind. Take his wallet and make it look like a mugging.

  I just watched a show on TV where they had a test dummy instrumented for measuring G shock loads.  The goal was to determine if a hockey stick or a baseball bat was more injurious.
The Hockey stick was one quarter of the rated limit to cause a concussion.  The baseball bat was 200 times over the concussion limit.  Essentially, if the dummy was a real person, he'd be dead.

I'd say, and I'd imagine a jury would too, that killing someone for putting paint in your engine was excessive force, and warrant an extensive incarceration event, at least.

And, how long will the pride for a sneak attack from behind last anyway.  Unless, of course, you ARE a psychopath.

    

I was kidding of course. I think Terry has the right idea. Letting it stew can only lead to some sort of physical confrontation down the line. I spent some time in Law Enforcement and the winner of a fight usually loses in Court.

[TwoTired]

I was kidding of course. I think Terry has the right idea. Letting it stew can only lead to some sort of physical confrontation down the line. I spent some time in Law Enforcement and the winner of a fight usually loses in Court.

Ok

You might think about adding some emoticons next time you recommend assault and battery or murder in a print forum. 

Just a suggestion.   

I don't plan on visiting New York any time soon.  Possibly never.  Unless maybe I can bring someone to watch my back.

[Gordon]

You might think about adding some emoticons next time you recommend assault and battery or murder in a print forum. 

Just a suggestion.   

I don't think someone who would follow that kind of advice from someone on an online forum would be swayed by the use of emoticons.

[Gregorymoto]

Get your gun and start killing you way to the truth.
Someone in that shop knows something.

[Gregorymoto]

You cant let this slide, what this person did is much like taking a dump on your door mat.
Doing something the right way talking to your boss ect is the best start, but if that does not work let some time pass and wait for the right opportunity and take care of it.
What a dick

[BobbyR]

I was kidding of course. I think Terry has the right idea. Letting it stew can only lead to some sort of physical confrontation down the line. I spent some time in Law Enforcement and the winner of a fight usually loses in Court.

Ok

You might think about adding some emoticons next time you recommend assault and battery or murder in a print forum. 

Just a suggestion.   

I don't plan on visiting New York any time soon.  Possibly never.  Unless maybe I can bring someone to watch my back.

Come on over to NY, safest big city in America. I lived near where you are in the late 70's very pretty area, but I needed to come back. Don't worry LLoyd, I got your back.

[Terry in Australia]

Get your gun and start killing you way to the truth.
Someone in that shop knows something.

Now that's some advice we can all live by!

[76 cb550]

set up an irresistible situation with a well hidden camera nearby.  An open wallet lying on a desk might be too obvious but you get my point. 

[dustyc]

I've got one.  Set up a trail camera.  http://www.amazon.com/STEALTH-STC-TGL1-Digital-Scouting-Camera/dp/B000AA496Q/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1202449302&sr=8-2  Don't bother doing anything with your engine yet.  Say you got it all cleaned and that it was a royal pain in the ass and leave it in the same spot with another can of paint.  Who could resist doing it again?

[Terry in Australia]

I Who could resist doing it again?

Man, that is so tempting, hell, even I want to do it! (well, not really............) 

[coyotecowboy]

If you DO find out who the little punk is (or not so little...) two or three containers of Silvo-Seal (radiator sealant) in his engine oil will do the trick   Or if he has a nice Snap-On tool box a little bit of JB Weld in the locks is a nice touch too

[Sam Green Racing]

It would have helped if you knew someone in the police force, ya could have had the Por tin fingerprinted, then keep an eye on something he has had in his hands and fingerprint that as well.
If you get a match you may be able to get him fired, doing everyone a favour.

Sam.

[Raul CB750K1]

It would have helped if you knew someone in the police force, ya could have had the Por tin fingerprinted, then keep an eye on something he has had in his hands and fingerprint that as well.
If you get a match you may be able to get him fired, doing everyone a favour.

Sam.

That would only prove that he touched the tin, not that he poured the contents inside the engine.

[Terry in Australia]

It would have helped if you knew someone in the police force, ya could have had the Por tin fingerprinted, then keep an eye on something he has had in his hands and fingerprint that as well.
If you get a match you may be able to get him fired, doing everyone a favour.

Sam.

Yes, you could offer him a glass of delicious French Champagne, (which I believe that most Mack employees can't resist) and when he's quaffed it, carefully remove the glass to the nearest fingerprint lab and compare it to the prints on the offending can of POR, and voila! "Elementary, my dear Watson" says Samlock Holmes! 

That would only prove that he touched the tin, not that he poured the contents inside the engine.

Damn! Foiled again by the evil criminal genius, Raul Moriarty! 

[TwoTired]

That would only prove that he touched the tin, not that he poured the contents inside the engine.

True. But it for sure places him at the scene of the crime.  Just ask him beforehand if he was messing with the stuff.  If he says no, then he is a proven liar.  And, denial of the sabotage can be disregarded.

[Raul CB750K1]

That would only prove that he touched the tin, not that he poured the contents inside the engine.

True. But it for sure places him at the scene of the crime.  Just ask him beforehand if he was messing with the stuff.  If he says no, then he is a proven liar.  And, denial of the sabotage can be disregarded.

The fact that somebody has been in the scene of the crime doesn't prove he is guilty. To prove that you should prove he was AND everybody else in the world wasn't. Even if you ask somebody whether he has been there or not and catch him lying doesn't mean he is guilty. There could be many reasons not to tell the truth, for example, that he was stealing tools -even when it would be reason enough for sacking him, doesn't makes him guilty of sabotaging-. To prove a fact you must either have positive proof, or prove that every one of the other options are false -then it would become true by eliminating the other options-

[TwoTired]

So, if the only prints on the can were the owners and the suspected perpetrator... 
You're going to assume the owner put the paint in his own engine?  Or, the real perp used rubber gloves?

People do get convicted on circumstantial evidence, you know.

[BobbyR]

That would only prove that he touched the tin, not that he poured the contents inside the engine.

True. But it for sure places him at the scene of the crime.  Just ask him beforehand if he was messing with the stuff.  If he says no, then he is a proven liar.  And, denial of the sabotage can be disregarded.

The fact that somebody has been in the scene of the crime doesn't prove he is guilty. To prove that you should prove he was AND everybody else in the world wasn't. Even if you ask somebody whether he has been there or not and catch him lying doesn't mean he is guilty. There could be many reasons not to tell the truth, for example, that he was stealing tools -even when it would be reason enough for sacking him, doesn't makes him guilty of sabotaging-. To prove a fact you must either have positive proof, or prove that every one of the other options are false -then it would become true by eliminating the other options-

You would make a great Lawyer..