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Re: 1980 CB650c Rest-o by a total newbie
« Reply #250 on: February 21, 2009, 01:02:04 PM »
OK, I know I asked before, but I'm going to ask again... ::) :-\ 

My pilot screw is between the head and the carb... I suspect turning it 'in' leans it out and 'out' enriches it but I dunno that for sure, and need someone to tell me this is so.

I took my bike out to wash it and while it was idling ok, kinda rough and crappy and wanted to die, if I gave it any gas at all, choke or no, even warm, it died. 

I figured since it was performing great in colder weather and smelled a little of unburnt gas in the exhaust it might be rich.  ('m going to test it this afternoon with new plugs, opening up the air filter cap to see if its idle improves) but I turned the pilot screws  1/2 turn in and it took some power.  The main problem is in slow acceleration. I can whack the throttle open and it doesn't backfire or do anything weird, revs high and everything very smoothly, but idles rough and I just can't take off from a stop unless I sit there and let it idle for almost 20 minutes.

I also have a lot of noise in the top end, and I'm not sure if it's normal valve noise or if some of my worn in valves are a little tight by now. it's not like I've put a ton of miles on.  I guess that's normal for these, though?  I wish I had a 650 around that ran *well* so I had some kind of benchmark to base mine off of.

I'm putting in new plugs because I figure I fouled my old ones, which are d7eas and made for colder weather than this anyway.  Leads on spark plug cleaners would also help.  :-\

The bike cleaning went well, anyway.  I greased my swingarm until gobs of old grease that looked like chunky peanut butter came out, kept putting grease in until the stuff that came out was all the color of the new stuff, figuring it flushed the old stuff okay.    Found a whole new bike under all that grunge.  Who knew?  now I. Really. Need. To. Get. Her. Running And Charging Reliably because all this parkinglot "practice" is driving me stir-crazy but I don't trust her charging system (and now plugs or carbs) enough to take her all the miles and miles from home I know I'd end up going.

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« Last Edit: February 21, 2009, 01:04:47 PM by Kit »
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Re: 1980 CB650c Rest-o by a total newbie
« Reply #251 on: February 21, 2009, 07:09:10 PM »
I know the feeling, reliability......I'm getting further and further from home every ride but a decent run anywhere is just too much to contemplate.
The thought of "oh sh*t I'm 40 miles down the road, how do I get this non runner home" haunts me  ;D.
At least you have Mickey to go with you and tag your ride if you breakdown, I'd just get a nice day Kit and you two should go do some miles, I might get one of my Harley buddies to do the same.
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Re: 1980 CB650c Rest-o by a total newbie
« Reply #252 on: February 21, 2009, 09:12:42 PM »
Ok, so Mickey and I tested the electrical system (she started, warmed up and ran just fine today, so my adjustments must have worked...) using the guide she linked to on this thread. That said my stator was shot, though we want to find a way to directly test the stator itself without going through the wiring at the R/R.  That way we can determine if it's the wiring that's causing the problem instead of a $$ stator.

If the stator went, it might've taken the R/R with it, though it tests out on the outer edges of 'okay' so I'll think about it. I do know a guy in town who makes R/Rs for these bikes, a bit better than OEM. Other than that, I cleaned up my chrome and took some WD-40 to the tougher baked-on oil under the oilpan etc, and that bike looks like new.  I'll post pics when I get half a chance in the daylight.  Real data from the electrics tests will be in the 'hot-start-issue' thread.
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Re: 1980 CB650c Rest-o by a total newbie
« Reply #253 on: February 27, 2009, 09:52:39 AM »
OK, so off in the 'hot start issue' thread I went into my tear-down of the electric connectors in the headlight bucket etc. The bullet connectors and male spade connectors I could get to, I polished to a mirror sheen, so connection surface area should be optimal.  New fuses, (the fuse diagram at the top of my fuse cover said 15A while the '79 service manual says 10A, so I'm guessing it's a difference between the years)   put in 15s according to the diagram, anyway. The red 'power' connector for the ignition switch was covered with crap, so I cleaned that off really good, connected/disconnected it a few times to make sure it would fit real tight, put it all back together.

About when I had everything together electrically and went to turn on the gas to start 'er up to test, my 'gas resistant' gasket goo 'fix' for one of the chewed up carb o-rings went.  'went' as in it spewed out a little hole and brought a constant drip of gas with it.  UGH.

This time I am SO P!SSED at my carbs that I'm doing them the RIGHT way, dammit, even if it's costing about as much a new damn bank of the things.  (AAAARRRRRRRRGHGGHHHHH!!!!)  $160 for the stupid gasket set from Honda, $10 for the tiny arse choke butterfly screws because mine are all chewed up by now, $16 for stainless steel allen screws for the carb bowls/etc because THOSE are chewed up, too, and another $80 for the air cutoff diaphragms/springs/etc. 

Someone else on here said that they had an '80 650 with the air cutoff diaphragms chewed up as well, and their idle was erratic and burpy (like mine) so perhaps this will solve that problem.  Perhaps also this will completely cure my carbs of the slow drip/gas smell that's been eaking from them even under good conditions because it's a little unnerving. 

I also went and got an oz of wintergreen oil and will either boil or mix it with xylene (30-70%, supposedly) to attempt to soften my intake carb boots.  They're not completely awful, just stiff and hard to get the carbs back on.  I'm thinking if I soften them a bit, they might seal a little better. The boots on the airbox side are still very soft and pliable, thus not a problem.

I'm realizing in the last 19 pages I could have avoided a lot of BS by taking the expensive but 'right' way out instead of trying to go with cheaper parts or whatever, just going OEM and being done with it.  ...Along with that admission is the caveat that I didn't go with the $40 air cutoff diaphragms from Honda, I got the $20 ones from Z1, but his parts haven't let me down yet.

I finally feel a bit rewarded by the calm afforded me by this carb 'incident'.  I know what's wrong and how to fix it.  Less the money I need to spend on parts that would have been sorta nice going to tuition instead, I know exactly how to remedy this problem and it's a refreshing, comforting concept next to the electrical gremlins I've been dealing with.  Further, though I'm spending a small fortune on these parts, I know I'll have some extra float bowl gaskets on hand 'just in case' which is always nice, I know my carbs will have parts that are exactly the expected spec, that function in exactly the expected way, and from there my troubleshooting has more constants than I'm used to.  Perhaps I'll be back to "just" confirmed electrical problems until I'm actually "done" and have a real daily rider on my hands.

 A gent (motorhead55) PMed me with suggestions for my starter issue, if it's a problem with the clutch switch activating the closure of the starter solenoid, sending insufficient voltage, hence preventing full closure of the solenoid resulting in arcing and insufficient power to trigger the starter when hot.  His answer to the issue, utilized on his own 550 and other vehicles was a 12v relay ($5) mounted next to the solenoid, increasing the power going to the starter motor from the starter solenoid (I think).  To test this I'm to touch the red and yellow wire from the solenoid's connector (the wire that runs to the starter motor, which apparently hits a connecter about two inches down from the solenoid) to the battery wire input on the starter solenoid. If this direct connection works under fail conditions (hot and won't start) then he says this relay should work.

...so I'm anxiously awaiting my carb parts because obviously that has to come first before I can test his theory and answer.  I am, however, wondering if a new solenoid or clutch switch would elicit the same response, or if the $5 relay is just a cheaper easier answer, like a hearing aid instead of a cochlear implant.

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Re: 1980 CB650c Rest-o by a total newbie
« Reply #254 on: February 27, 2009, 10:12:27 AM »
Hope i caught you in time cyclexchange.net has carb rebuilds for 75.00, complete set for four carbs.

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Re: 1980 CB650c Rest-o by a total newbie
« Reply #255 on: February 27, 2009, 10:27:34 AM »
hmm, didn't see those.  kinda too late, too.  I bought keyster kits awhile back for $15 each, but since you can't use any of the brass pieces (they pretty much rot. there's much discussion here about them) and the rubber doesn't always seem to be the right or same size, I didn't want to do that again.  That and though there are tons of kits everywhere for the '81 and '82 650s with CV carbs and very few, anywhere, for the mechanical ones, I just went OEM.
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« Reply #256 on: February 27, 2009, 02:05:54 PM »
Good call on the , "$16 for stainless steel allen screws for the carb bowls" but $16?
Mine cost $1.20 for 16 of them, ah well they are soooo much better than the wee cross head screws that chew up and are near on impossible to tighten/loosen when the carbs are in place.
You can drive the whole carb bank forward more by placing a block of wood on the "shoulder" of the carb bank and whacking it er tapping it gently forwards, works well when putting carbs back on and I used that system on both my PZ and Custom.
The shoulder is the very end bit of the carb bank and not technically part of the carb, if you use alternate taps from left side of bike then right side the rubbers just drift onto the head (I also used some grease to lube the collars and rubbers for better slidability). ;D
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Re: 1980 CB650c Rest-o by a total newbie
« Reply #257 on: February 27, 2009, 02:08:02 PM »
TT, that's exactly my reasoning behind asking 'is this a crutch or a fix'.  I want to always be able to go to the manual and get answers I can depend on vs. trying to figure how this add-on changes variables x and z.  

Unfortunately, that also is the expensive method, provided the cheap methods don't work.  (but the cheap methods often prove more expensive just because they involve their price, then the 'proper' expensive method after they fail.)  

So... I'm going to go with the 'testing and OEM' route from now on, with a few exceptions (adjusting valves per Hondaman's suggestions rather than moco spec)  but that will probably be slower, also, because honda takes at least a week to send parts I order. :(

Oh, related, Honda called to tell me the connector holder I ordered for my headlight bucket is no longer available (like with every other order) so I turned around and took the refunded money to put into my throttle pump assy. because I know for a fact the rubber is stiff and peeling around the edge.  I figure I'll shell out on it sooner or later... might as well be now while I'm planning this huge rebuild, than later when everything's 'done' and the squirter is insufficient.

Looks like aside from the bank itself, I should have all new rubber doo-dads, the float needles will be new (same old floats, but those are okay so far) new bowl screws, yada yada and they'll all be stainless allen bolts so they won't get stripped and mangled by hamfisted mechanics, either. (just in case I get P.O'd and have someone else rebuild them someday when I have money falling out my hindquarters)
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Re: 1980 CB650c Rest-o by a total newbie
« Reply #258 on: February 27, 2009, 02:12:17 PM »
Good call on the , "$16 for stainless steel allen screws for the carb bowls" but $16?
Mine cost $1.20 for 16 of them, ah well they are soooo much better than the wee cross head screws that chew up and are near on impossible to tighten/loosen when the carbs are in place.
You can drive the whole carb bank forward more by placing a block of wood on the "shoulder" of the carb bank and whacking it er tapping it gently forwards, works well when putting carbs back on and I used that system on both my PZ and Custom.
The shoulder is the very end bit of the carb bank and not technically part of the carb, if you use alternate taps from left side of bike then right side the rubbers just drift onto the head (I also used some grease to lube the collars and rubbers for better slidability). ;D
Damn your bike is gonna be worth having when you finish girl. :D

...and I agree, $16 was kind of a lot but I don't have anywhere near me where I can go to just get nice allen head bolts. I am repeatedly amazed at Home Depot and Lowe's incapacity for such things.

Actually, what I do to reinstall (or did. now I'll have to rethink it with a different engine guard) I would set it kinda in place so everything lined up, then squat down in front of the headers, get a hold of the thing with both hands (top and bottom of the brace, I think but I don't remember, ask me after I reinstall the son's o' buggers) and pull, usually bracing the engine guard (see, I have to rethink it now) against my chest.  Remember, I'm really, really petite, so I fit under/around the bike like that.  I can fit both hands in under the carbs if I need to and have some operating space.

The intake manifolds are easy for me, it's the airbox that gets me every time.  The rubber isolators on that are so soft and pliable they just fold right over, don't want to go over the carb, want to try to back off all the time, when I pull it far enough forward the triangular rubber part that fits onto the air cleaner tries to pull out of its hole and pucker....
It usually involves me getting mad, throwing a screw driver, then taking a meditative/contemplative 5 minutes to breathe deeply and find that !****! screwdriver again...

I still wanted to try to soften those intake manifolds a touch before installation because I haven't read anywhere that the wintergreen oil actually HURT them, and the stuff was relatively cheap.
« Last Edit: February 27, 2009, 02:17:42 PM by Kit »
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Re: 1980 CB650c Rest-o by a total newbie
« Reply #259 on: February 27, 2009, 02:54:43 PM »
Thanks :)  I actually filed flat ends on a $3 pick/hook set from Harbor Freight and they're just infinitely handy for such things (esp. springs!) Would I be remiss using little dots of plastic epoxy to reinforce the grip of the triangular rubber 'thing' that goes from airbox to air cleaner?  There's a little lip that the edges of the air cleaner hole fit into, and I'm wondering if just reinforcing its hold would help so I'm not always dislodging it.
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« Reply #260 on: February 27, 2009, 03:10:10 PM »
http://www.beavertonmotorcycles.com/fiche_image_popup.asp?fveh=2955&section=123687&year=1980&make=Honda&category=Motorcycles&dc=1580&name=AIR+CLEANER

On the left, on the airbox, there's an oval opening that attaches via oval hose clamp to a rubber boot that doesn't have its own part number, but comes out of the back of the airbox. you can just see the edge in that picture on the top left of the airbox.

In the back of the airbox (sorry I got it backwards) there's a triangular hole where this boot fits into.  The boot has two raised lips and the edge of this hole fits between them.  I'm wondering if I'd be terribly amiss if I put some epoxy between these lips to hold it in place a bit.  It's not as if it's hard beyond serviceable use, or torn or anything, but it has a habit of getting pulled out of the hole in the back of the airbox while I'm wrenching things around to fit the carbs on, then pulling the airbox forward to fit those boots onto the carbs without having it retreat back toward the air cleaner like a scared turtle.
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« Reply #261 on: February 27, 2009, 06:32:28 PM »
hmm I'll have to try that.  my current technique involves using a short bungee cord and hooking one end to the frame, stretching it over the airbox to pull it toward the frame/air cleaner and then hooking the other side to the frame on the other side.  It increases the amount of available work space for carb installation, but still doesn't make getting those airbox rubbers back on any easier... but then that's what tiny hands and hooked picks are for. ;D
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Re: 1980 CB650c Rest-o by a total newbie
« Reply #262 on: February 27, 2009, 08:05:44 PM »
Hey Kit... This is slightly off topic ::), but... when you get your spiffy honda carb kits could you please measure the ID and OD of the fuel passage and bowl vent o-rings that come with them?

I'm wanting to source some nice Viton O-Rings but I'd like to confirm my Inner Diameter and Outer Diameter Numbers.  I must admit that my notebook is at my desk at work so I wont be able to post my previous guesstimations till monday.

I can post specific picture of the o-rings if you need them.  Many thanks...

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« Reply #263 on: February 27, 2009, 08:36:42 PM »
Yeah Kit that's ow I fit my air boots on too, blunt old screw driver and flick the rubbers out of teh way.
Always back the holding clamps right off...right off...they might be clear but the more you can back em out the better.
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« Reply #264 on: February 28, 2009, 10:31:42 AM »
Hey Kit, I do not think the subject of this thread is suiting any longer.  I think you have far surpassed the title of "Total Newbie"!  It might read "Re: 1980 CB65c Rest-o that ain't a total newbie.  Verging on Expert."
I don't have a motorcycle, sold it ('85 Yamaha Venture Royale).  Haven't had a CB750 for over 40 years.

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« Reply #265 on: February 28, 2009, 02:02:04 PM »
Eh, I'm a total newbie because there are still a lot of things I've only just done for the first time, or am still discovering.  I can't pretend to be as expert as many on this forum.  :) Well, not here, I can't.  At work is another story.  ;)
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« Reply #266 on: February 28, 2009, 11:26:43 PM »
Once you have done them for the first time Kit you are then fully entitled to instruct others on the proceedures you have found that work, how else will they progress? :D
We may not all have the expertise of some on here but I've found that with basic stuff I tend to explain myself clearer with less jargon to total newbies, anything to help out another frustraited biker. :)
By the way, what did you find was the best way to clean your connectors?
I've bought the magic dialectric grease ($6 a teaspoon full) and want to see if cleaning and greasing the little suckers will help keep my charge up.
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« Reply #267 on: March 01, 2009, 07:59:38 AM »
Well, for cleaning the bullet connectors, I used some kind of jewelry polishing cloth that came with a couple copper bracelets of ours- cleans polishes and prevents oxidation.  Since a mirror finish increases microscopic surface area, I polished those buggers to a sheen, then dipped the ends in dielectric grease and popped them together/apart a few times, then together to stay.  The result was a nice, clean, tight fit.  For the other ones, I took 600 and 1000 sand paper, rolled them like one does a cigarette paper, folded it so the stiffness of the paper made it a decently workable tool, then ran in between the male connectors.  I haven't had a good way yet to really clean the female ones other than a thorough spray with deoxit and working the connectors together/apart, but once the male is clean, it does a decent job on the female one.

I hate to do this to you, Hush, but I found the best way to get at my ignition switch was through the headlight bucket- as in take the bucket out (disconnecting all the wires therein, but they need cleaning anyway) and then reaching up and unscrewing the 2 bolts that hold it in after using a needle nose pliers to pinch the little hooks together so you can unplug it from the wiring harness. the power one looks to be exactly where water will run (of course)

While I was doing all that I took some of the same 1000# sand paper and some WD-40 and scrubbed some of the rust out of the inside of my headlight bucket, cleaned the clear boots for the spade connectors (found maybe 3 'spare' green ground wire female connectors and have no idea what they go to?)  Cleaned those too.  Took a cloth and wiped off the wires really good so I could see what their true colors were, what stripes they had, etc etc.  Made a little hand-drawn diagram to make sure I connected everything right when I was done.  Gently sanded some of the rust marking off the inside of the fork ears, wiped all that clean, finished with Nevrdull. 

I need to figure out how to fix my trip odometer. I think one of the pins is broken off my '1-9' mile wheel because the tenths roll and roll but they get to '9' and back to '0' and the 'ones' wheel doesn't turn. 

I unscrewed my speedo cable and unbolted the gauge, pulled it up just enough to see the spider breeding-ground therein and decided I'd tackle it another day.

I suppose you're right, I know enough to advise others off my personal experience but I just can't call myself an 'expert'.  Not yet anyway.  Maybe once I successfully do my own valve job without bending valves and setting things on fire.  ;) :D ::)

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« Last Edit: March 01, 2009, 08:16:53 AM by Kit »
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« Reply #268 on: March 01, 2009, 10:13:14 AM »

I suppose you're right, I know enough to advise others off my personal experience but I just can't call myself an 'expert'.  Not yet anyway.  Maybe once I successfully do my own valve job without bending valves and setting things on fire.  ;) :D ::)

good luck!

But I thought that was half the fun!
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+1 on how Kit cleaned things... as long as there is a "new" oxide free surface you're good.
seal that new contact surfaces with di-electric grease... rain or shine you should be good.


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Re: 1980 CB650c Rest-o by a total newbie
« Reply #269 on: March 01, 2009, 10:25:24 AM »
for the dielectric grease in the connectors I just squeezed some onto a q-tip and brushed it in and out of the male connectors.  That also seemed to clean off residual oxidation.  Good luck to you! (again! you'll need it!)
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Re: 1980 CB650c Rest-o by a total newbie
« Reply #270 on: March 01, 2009, 10:29:37 AM »
Those spare green female connectors are just that "spares", not sure why either but maybe if you added spotlights or riding lights or summit else.
I'd put up with the trip metre being faulty, they are a science all their own, just use Mickey's HD trip to figure it out. ;D
Bracelet polish? Q tips? what the heck are those? I'm a guy...if ya can't fix it with a hammer its broken! ;D
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I think the thing I most like about motorcycling is the speed at which my brain must process information at to avoid the numb skulls who are eating pies, playing the ukulele, applying make-up etc in the comfort of their airconditioned armchairs as they make random attempts to kill me!!!!!!!

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Re: 1980 CB650c Rest-o by a total newbie
« Reply #271 on: March 01, 2009, 01:11:09 PM »
sorry, mate.  lost in translation.  The 'q-tip' referred to is a 'cotton swab'.  A small wooden or plastic stick with a cotton bud on the end.  This bracelet polishing cloth I haven't seen anywhere else. it's like nevrdull or brasso-impregnated microfiber or something.
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Re: 1980 CB650c Rest-o by a total newbie
« Reply #272 on: March 04, 2009, 08:26:07 PM »
Uh...
Mickey brought to my attention the fact that I hadn't posted my new pics in here, just on the BOTM thread...

So here we go, the time consuming nag in my life:


I need to get new pics once the carbs are back on.  Since that pic, I've put the short shocks on, painted the sidebadges ALL black, and actually washed/waxed her, not to mention the new slim-fitting case savers, polished the fins and put the chrome strip on the seat... yeah actually I did kind of a lot. hmm. I promise. Pics once the carbs are back in.
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Re: 1980 CB650c Rest-o by a total newbie
« Reply #273 on: March 04, 2009, 11:44:36 PM »
Aw come on Mum she's bewdeful ;D
I think the thing I most like about motorcycling is the speed at which my brain must process information at to avoid the numb skulls who are eating pies, playing the ukulele, applying make-up etc in the comfort of their airconditioned armchairs as they make random attempts to kill me!!!!!!!

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Re: 1980 CB650c Rest-o by a total newbie
« Reply #274 on: March 11, 2009, 08:47:12 AM »
Um CBJoe, didn't get the IDs, but the wee little ones are going to be close to 2.5mm anyway.  I don't think I have anything small enough to measure that accurately.

Got the carbs all put together and put on the bike.  No leaks! Yay! I still think the hardest part of the whole thing is those stupid airbox insulators.  The outer two go on just fine. The inner two? Fuhgeddaboutit!
The head side goes in just as nice as before.  Grab carbs, put appropriate knee against engine case guard, pull. Repeat on other side.  Go back to wiggle,pull to make sure it's seated on both sides. Nip it up and cuss because the easy part's done.

I'm kind of considering looking at the valve clearances just to make sure they're within spec, because my new valves should've seated in by now, which would make them kind of tight, and I don't want to risk burning them.

On another thread I'm trying to figure out if my air screws are set way too rich or lean...

I think that's it for new news so far...

"Moderation in all things - especially moderation. Too much moderation is excessive. The occasional excess is all part of living the moderate life."
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1980 CB650c- (sold) Delilah
1973 CL350- Lola?
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