Topic: 1980 CB650c Rest-o by a crabby "old-timer"

[Frankenkit]

Well, it looks like I'm going to need to grind off my oil filter bolt.  I tried every trick outlined in the 'search' responses to 'stuck oil filter bolt' and there's basically nothing left of the bolt head anymore.

Got a bolt-out and hammered it on, but the bolt head just kept crumbling under the extractor. WTF?


Put the hard bags on. VERY happy with the look.  Here's a preview.



Sawed off the tail rack (just not feelin' the milk-crate holder) and covered up the holes with JB weld... smoothed it and painted the luggage supports with Plasti-dip.  It's always impressed me with how durable it is, and it doesn't really have to be shiny or anything.

spray-painted the insides with the plasti-dip, too. Really happy with that, very smooth and burly.   

...now it all comes down to that stupid oil filter bolt...

[Hush]

Did you try my wee trick with the small drill put through the bolt and then use a wrench to undo it.
Oh hey you not standing on your head while doing this are you Kit? Bolt comes off anti-clockwise eh.
Sounds like bolt is frozen in there for good, grind bolt end off and that will at least release the filter cover, just watch where the metal fillings are going.

[nedtheviking]

Hey Kit, I dont know if this will help but i encountered a similar stuck oil bolt problem on my 750. I was trying to grind the bolt head all the way down but was worried about getting metal into the engine, so i ended up grinding a slot, 1/16 to 1/8 of an inch or so, with as much of a shoulder as possible, and tried to make it a 90 degree shoulder, then hammering against the edge of the slot in a counter clockwise fashion. so i was standing on the drivers right of the bike, hammering down on the edge of the slot, and it got the job done. I used a burly flat head screw driver as my 'driver'. If you do this, just try not to whack the fins on the oil cooler too much. hope it helps, i think the bike looks great with the hard bags by the way. Ned.

[Soos]

Kit if you bugger yours up, I got a few spare covers and bolts if you are interested.


The bags look good BTW.




Plasti-dip comes in a spraycan?
Now thats something new to me.





l8r

[Frankenkit]

Oy! quick question- MickeyX ground off my stuck oil filter bolt, we went juuuust maybe .5mm, like a piece of paper's thicknes (though MickeyX will correct me if I'm wrong, she was there more than I was) past where the flat metal washer part of the stupid, stupid bolt sits...
is the filter housing still usable?  I would think so, but sometimes 'you never know'.  I'm going to file things flatter today so they look better. That bolt was stuck in there worse than I could have ever imagined... like everything outside the o-ring had welded itself or something.  Even after the washer-looking part of it was ground off, it still held tight, until we seriously kept beating and prying and something in the end gave.  It was ridiculous.
...oh and the damn filter looked like it hadn't been replaced in 20 years. 

[Soos]

Dunno...


I'll go look.



As long as the surface where the "washer" area of the bolt sits is parallel with the sealing face of the housing you should be good.
The filter bolt(looks as if it) seals with a washer on the filter bolt where it goes through the filter housing.


If in doubt, you can "fine tune" that surface by putting ink on there, and lightly tightening the bolt, remove, and the areas the bolt washer area touches are too high, and the areas left with ink are low.
You could try to even the highs out to the low spots...

ink, magic marker, dykem, prussian blue, whatever ya got.


The more even the contact face there, the more even the pressure on the sealing O-ring on the motor side of the housing.



l8r

[Frankenkit]

Soos, you rock.

[MickeyX]

ugh! so, after the dang tip kept crumbling, we decided to grind it off and move on, ya know? so, i take it down to the ring, then through the ring, then into the housing,... we beat the heck out of it every step of the way, prying, pulling, wrenching. Nothing. Nada. Summab!tch.  We decided we would just deal with the housing afterwards. It doesn't look bad and she wanted to file down the front of the housing anyway for a cleaner look so now she has a good start.   

it held on until the last. we couldn't believe how stuck it was. we can clean it up pretty well tomorrow, get it back on and get 'er running. It's supposed to be sunny and warm all weekend. I'd like to be out riding instead of dreaming.

[Hush]

Enjoy your day out Mickey, I think it will be Saturday for you as it is already Saturday for me today.....and I really really enjoyed my 40 miles of backroads even if the handling aint right and the charging systems crap.

[manjisann]

Kit, NICE job on those bags, they look superb!    How did you do the gold leaf looking stuff?

Brandon

[Frankenkit]

I went to the craft store and found a gold leaf paint that thinned with xylene (not the oil based kind) and did the gold leaf stuff freehand with an outlining brush. For the record, this is 'brass' colored. The gold was a lot darker/more orangey.

[manjisann]

For the record, this is 'brass' colored. The gold was a lot darker/more orangey.

My bad, can you forgive me?? 

Seriously though, your bike is looking really really nice!! I like the idea of coating the insides of the boxes with plastidip. I was thinking of coating the undersides of my fenders with that stuff after I cleaned off the rust, it seems to be pretty tough stuff. I bought some undercoating spray stuff I'm gonna try but if I don't like it I'm gonna give the plastidip a go.

Brandon

[MickeyX]

We got up this morning, lazed around, had a late breakfast and thought about going out there and letting the bike piss us off again. (you know it wouldn't have gone easy, not this bike) In the end, we said screw it, bought our fishing licenses, some more equipment and are headed to the lake for the rest of the day. 

We'll tackle the rest of the oil change tonight or tomorrow. Sometimes some fresh trout is all you really need. 

[Hush]

Ah the perfect women, love bikes and fishing!
Hope you caught heaps, I hooked something myself today.

[Frankenkit]

not much luck, alas, but it was good to get out.

[manjisann]

not much luck, alas, but it was good to get out.

You must have used the wrong bait 

Brandon

[syth82]

I nearly got to the same point on my 550, Eventually the bolt came loose, but I thought for sure I was going to have to start cutting... I think my filter might have been origional.    Sure hope not. Seems like I've seen the housings alvailable for pretty cheap, if it's not salvageable. Good luck!

[Soos]

not much luck, alas, but it was good to get out.

The worst day fishing is better than the best day at work though!!


l8r

[Frankenkit]

hmmm
The oil change may be done and completed and may have gone well without any other further incident!
Using Honda Co. 10w50 (I think that's what it is?) seems thick like honey and about the same color, too. 
Turned the bike on, gas on, five little tickler twists of the throttle and vvvvRRRROOOOM!!!!
Started right up.  That doesn't happen often, but it IS warmer than usual.

Oil light flickered, then went out (I had that bike SO empty!)

Nice, smooth idle, except for that cam chain noise.

Say.
Scary question.
When y'all tighten down the lock nut on your cam chain adjuster stud, does it ever get 'tight' and stop turning, or does it reach a 'firm' spot, but keep turning until it feels loose again, sorta, kinda like it might be stripped somewhere, even though the threads on the stud look fine?

[Hush]

Mine just gets tight and I guess the torque required, I do have a torque wrench but I prefer to feel the way when tightening nuts and bolts.
I had a good hard look at a cam chain adjuster outside a 650 motor the other day when my bro-inlaw showed me the 3 650 engines he is doing up.
Man those things are solid! I thought they were like window wiper strength but its more like a fibreglass bow in strength.
It amazes me that Honda make such a solid object to control the chain yet leave the adjustments up to a lousy nut and thread!!
If you think you over tightened it Kit, back it right of and check the thread, I'm guessing we could replace that genuine Honda nut with a stainless steel one from a hardware store if need be.
Actually 2 thin nuts would be even better, then we could lock them together.

[Frankenkit]

hmm.

[mystic_1]

Sounds like you've got some stripped threads to me.  Take the locknut off and examine everything closely.  If you're lucky it'll be the nut itself that's borked.

mystic_1

[MickeyX]

We took the nut off of the other bike and it works pretty well now. She'll have to ride to school tomorrow and check it out. I hope it stays tensioned for her.

[Frankenkit]

It certainly *seems* and *sounds* better.  For whatever reason, the nut that was on there wasn't quite right, and would get pretty tight, then loosen again.  This one gets nice and tight. We tensioned the chain the service manual's way, then fired up the bike.  Cam chain noise seemed to be gone. (!) We'll see how this lasts. 

Put air in the tires, too, and new padding mats in the bottom of the ol' hard bags.

So:
New oil: Check.
New filter: Check.
New oil filter bolt: Check.
New (old) Cam chain tensioner bolt nut AAAANNNND washer: Check.
All my nice armor got switched over to my Joe Rocket jacket tonight...
Ready to go!

[Hush]

Huston we have go for countdown.