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Let's help create the "HONDAMAN SPECIAL"
« on: February 06, 2008, 06:46:32 PM »
Okay, all you CB750 freaks who have lived, loved and lurked on this board forever... Our beloved Hondaman (You know the guy who has been so generous and helpful with his knowledge over the years?) wants to build something special.  It will be the culmination of all his years of late-night work perfecting the CB750 Honda since they were first brought into this hungry-for-a-superbike world.  It's time to help with the cause!

Mark aka "Hondaman" lives in Colorado.  He needs a CB750 to serve as his development platform for The Hondaman Special #1.  No, he will not give you the bike after he's done, but he will share the process of his building with all of us.  That is knowledge that you can't simply pay for.  It is knowledge that must be taught to the youngest of our board members or it will eventually be lost.  And it's knowledge that each of us can use to help us perfect our own "Lil Honda" just the way we envision it.

So, who within transport distance of Lakewood, Colorado, has a spare CB750 for Hondaman?  Who is going to step up and have his name painted somewhere on the first Hondaman Special as the special donor of the snotbox that will become The Hondaman Special? 

Is it YOU?  We're all waiting to know who will be the hero! 

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Re: Let's help create the "HONDAMAN SPECIAL"
« Reply #1 on: February 06, 2008, 08:01:40 PM »
I'd give Mark one of my CB750's of course, but the shipping would kill the deal, so I reckon Jerry Griffin should give Mark his '75 F. Hell, he's always on vacation so he never rides it anyway, and I think he secretly prefers his Harley, so even though he's owned his F since new, he should do the right thing and step up to the plate! (that way he can give me all his new performance parts that he won't need anymore...............) ;D
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Re: Let's help create the "HONDAMAN SPECIAL"
« Reply #2 on: February 06, 2008, 08:36:23 PM »
Jerry watch out there's a sheep shagger about ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

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Re: Let's help create the "HONDAMAN SPECIAL"
« Reply #3 on: February 07, 2008, 12:56:39 AM »
Jerry , I don't know you, but don't let Terry talk you into anything silly... you have a kindred spirit here that says you must protect the "F" at all costs, but,   if all else fails.... send me your sidecovers and I will send you my sheep.(pure bred merino - with stud qualities)... :D :D..

Terry's is really a pet lamb  (probably a border leicster too) definitely not weaned yet -   not the real sheep as eveybody thinks... sorry Terry I just had to tell them..   ;D ;D ;D ;D

I think Ricky Racer is on the money - send H'man all your spare parts - he can then spend the rest of his life making us all new motors.......  thanks Mark, still haven't installed the ignition setup but it is getting closer.... :)

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Re: Let's help create the "HONDAMAN SPECIAL"
« Reply #4 on: February 07, 2008, 04:50:54 AM »
I'm a bit far (MD) but I'm anxious to see how this goes.  Exactly how much of the "Hondaman Special" is going to be modified?  Engine?  Electrical system?  Is he looking for a bike with exhaust?  Running?

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Re: Let's help create the "HONDAMAN SPECIAL"
« Reply #5 on: February 07, 2008, 08:30:26 AM »

Hey, MARK!  C'mon now. These guys are getting behind this project; they want to be part of the "Hondaman Special" project.  Let us know the minimum you need to make this happen.  I've got some stuff; everybody's got some stuff they really don't need.  Maybe someone has a complete bike that just needs some love.  Help us out here.  C'mon in; the water's fine!   ;D   RR

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Re: Let's help create the "HONDAMAN SPECIAL"
« Reply #6 on: February 07, 2008, 08:38:57 AM »
maybe eldar can give up his k8 and mark can make it look good,i know it will be difficult but mark is the man to do it.
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Re: Let's help create the "HONDAMAN SPECIAL"
« Reply #7 on: February 07, 2008, 09:58:22 AM »
LOL!!! :D :D :D :D

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« Reply #8 on: February 07, 2008, 10:17:27 AM »
I didnt say anything.... ;D
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Re: Let's help create the "HONDAMAN SPECIAL"
« Reply #9 on: February 07, 2008, 01:06:54 PM »
maybe eldar can give up his k8 and mark can make it look good,i know it will be difficult but mark is the man to do it.

I don't think Eldy can get to his beloved K8 just now Dusty, I hear he's holed up inside while packs of carnivorous Mooses circle his shack, just a waiting for him to come outside...................  ;D
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« Reply #10 on: February 07, 2008, 01:20:40 PM »
bwahahahahahahaha ;D
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Re: Let's help create the "HONDAMAN SPECIAL"
« Reply #11 on: February 07, 2008, 01:27:44 PM »
I have CB750 stuff to donate to this. Small parts though shipping from Canada is a killer.What type of build will it be? Stock, modified, , big bore? How about a CB750 engine in an ATC 90 trike. I have seen it done. Massive power in the woods. A little heavy to pull out of the swamps.It would lay rubber for sure. Not too pretty though. I wish I had a photo. Close  your eyes and picture it.  ;D
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« Reply #12 on: February 07, 2008, 02:12:47 PM »
i have "most" of a 75' 750f missing seat and a couple of other things but i imagine the shipping from south carolina to colorado would be a killer

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Re: Let's help create the "HONDAMAN SPECIAL"
« Reply #13 on: February 07, 2008, 09:57:09 PM »
You guys are scarin' me!   :o :o :o

I'm really only in love with the "K" series: I'd probably screw up an "F", in the "F" purists' eyes, compared to some of the things I've seen you guys doing (RXman....).

I have a leftover K3 frame, with damaged cases (drag racer leftovers), and miscellaneous parts...but, I just lost my day job (company is going under, lost their financing) and have to spend much of my time foraging for work or interviews, at least for the present.

Several local SOHC riders (or wannabees) have asked me to piece together some 750K1-K6 bikes for them. I can't stand the idea of one that's not in perfect running condition, myself, so that's what got this thing started. They are calling it the "Hondaman Special", starting with a rusted hulk and ending with a smooth, quick, quiet runner. Cosmetics will be the hardest part, unless good pipes and side covers show up. The engine: well, that's the easy part, and the handling, too, for me. Just need some basic parts, some shuteye, a shot of bourbon....and a Dremel tool...my lathe, and some hours. I suspect MRieck can get more HP from one than I can, he has the right tools on hand. My focus would be on perfection of operation, more than on raw performance (although performance is still in the eye of the beholder!). I still drool over these K0 restos that grace these web pages...I want my K2 to be blue-green SOOO badly!

I sent my lightweight valve stuff to someone who was building a high-spinner last Fall, so if HP was required, some of those parts would have to appear. I sent my 836 kit to Terry so I could get his stock, but perfectly-finned, K6 jugs in trade. I'm rounding up the parts for a rebuild of my trusty K2 right now: got bearings, new tranny, etc., all waiting for something other than the constant snow we've been buried in here in Colorado.

At the least, this "series" of 750K would have to outrun a similar stock model, be smoother, hit 10k RPM without noticing, pull to 130 MPH, corner stiffer, be lower maintenance (and trouble-free, like they always were), and surprise the vintage Kawi 1k riders who think they remember besting them in stoplight contests. And, they will be better commuter bikes than they used to be.

...and, when I get it finished, will come with a built-in LED timing light...LED tailight and flashers, but with the HID headlight...Hmm.....
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Re: Let's help create the "HONDAMAN SPECIAL"
« Reply #14 on: February 07, 2008, 11:02:14 PM »
Okay. Now we're getting some info. I've got some good cases. If your crank is good I'd rather not try to ship one because of the cost.  I've also got some stock barrels and head, but you might have a ported one already. If anyone out there knows of an over the road trucker who runs from San Diego to Colorado who schlepp heavier parts for no more compensation than a good lunch, let me know.

Okay, Mark. Enough beating around the bush. Pony up and give us a list of what you need to get started on The Hondaman Special.  Hell, if Carpy can get $15K for one of his bikes, you might just find a second income in the Hondaman Specials, or at least an opportunity to sell coordinated kits for handling, electrics, trick #$%*, etc.

You mentioned good cases. Got you covered on that. Now about that more detailed list...  :)  RR
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« Reply #15 on: February 08, 2008, 04:41:03 AM »
I've had great luck shipping heavy stuff with this site

www.uship.com

You post what you're shipping and then truckers and stuff bid on the right to haul it and you take the low-bidder.  I shipped a 216 pound DOHC engine from MD to NM for $150.

Don't have too many stock parts on hand, but if ya need something just ask and I'll check.

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« Reply #16 on: February 08, 2008, 05:47:33 PM »
Thanks, John. Yep, this is a bump!   ;D  RR
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Re: Let's help create the "HONDAMAN SPECIAL"
« Reply #17 on: February 08, 2008, 09:19:55 PM »
I'll have to come back and edit this post, as I think through this list...but, here's an idea of what I would do, given the chance:

-"K" system (K1-K6), because parts are more available, and I don't want to rob the "K0" guys.
- Cam: either K1 (1970 production) or a reputable aftermarket unit with near-stock lift, but a little more duration.
- Ported head, especially the intake side.
- Hemi-ed head, like I did to mine 2 years ago. Polished valves. K1-K2 intake guides.
- Compression ratio: 9-9.6 or so, to control heating in heavy traffic on hot summer days, and run on Regular gas. One possibility: "F" pistons in "K" bores.
- New bearings on bottom, transmission, clutch. Clearance on bearings to be targeted at .0008". Wristpins at .0003"-.0005".
- Rotating members perfectly balanced.
- Genuine Honda engine gaskets. These never leak!
- K1 pipes (HM300 series), with the glass-packed baffles (this would be the hard part!). HM340 if there's no alternative, or if the final owner likes the quieter pipe.
- Front forks from K4-K6. Tapered roller steering head bearings, maybe one of the sets I'm making for sale now (genuine Timken).
- Rear shocks: 12.875" to 13.00", no taller.
- Swingarm: never mind, I'll do that...  :D
- Frame: clean and blast, reweld as needed, make sure no rust is around, widen top web supports. Make sure it is a straight frame (many were not, from the factory, until the later K2 models came along.  :(  ).
- LED lighting all around, solid-state flasher to match.
- HID headlight, relay-separated from the rest of the system for reliability.
- New handlebar switches! Restored would be OK.
- Nice guages. The type (K1 or K2-later) would depend on the vintage of the starting bike (I'm still partial to the K1-K3 the most).
- NO SIDESTAND OR CLUTCH SWITCHES!  >:(  ...dang things...
- Improved electrics, in the form of a silicon rectifier, better alternator connector(s), larger backbone wiring in the main harness for better spark, brighter lights, stable battery voltage. Separate fuses for IGNTION and LIGHTS. One of my ignition modules (for backup availability on those long road trips), with the Dyna 3 ohm coils and the new "Resistor Pack" that I'm just now building for these bikes.
- Air filter: K&N inside a stock airbox, modified by me.
- Wheels: Timken bearings all around.
- Tires: TT100/K81 British Dunlops or Avon Roadrunners (gotta go see what that profile is today, though). Unless, of course, the final owner isn't a hotshoe.
- Sprockets: Honda's own, 17/48 combination, rear drilled for lightness.
- Chain: Diamond 530 HDXL, no O-rings (pricey!).
- Drilled front disk. Rebuilt front caliper and master cylinder.
- Nice paint, by someone NOT ME...  :-[

- Targets: 130 MPH, 40 MPG, Bergen Park Hiway traverse in less than 1 hour, unless the TT100 tires aren't on board...

I'm sure this list will morph...
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I have a proposition for this task: if I made a book of the process, would others be interested in a copy? I've been working on one for the tranny already, and I'm getting ready to make one for "how to restore the oil pump" on the 750. If I photo-documented everything from the tires to the steering head bearings, too, then made a book, it might be a useful thing. MRieck could do this about making more HP, I'm sure, but my approach has always been a well-rounded, all-purpose bike for the general populace, so I don't go for max HP in my builds (at least, since I quit racing, anyway), just more-than-stock HP. But, first-rate handling and brakes, for safety reasons, are top-drawer priorities from me...

My concept for this type of book: a slim 3-ring binder with a package of pre-holed, paged inserts, organized by chapter and section (can you tell that I've been making machinery manuals for over 20 years, too?). This is how I've always kept all my own notes, so I can add to them in future endeavors. The notebook will have pockets, too, just 'cuz they are handy.

I have a potential buyer for this bike: I'll talk it over with him to find the target price. There are several people locally who have asked me to do this sort of thing. The fiscal portion of this project should go something like this: the "profit" will be simply:
 [sell price - (cost of parts + something for my efforts)].
These "profits" could be divided up amongst the contributors to this project as:
 [(cost of part) + payback] ,
where
 Cost of Parts = [owner's selling price + shipping costs] and
 Payback = ["profits" / cost of parts] .

For example, if someone wanted $75 for a part, and it cost $25 to ship it to me:
 Cost of Part = $100 .
And, if the "profit" on the project was $500, and people sent me parts that "cost", altogether, $1000, the Payback would be:
 Payback = [$500/$1000 = $0.50] .
So, for the $100 contribution, the payback would be:
 Payback = [$100 + ($100 * $0.50)] = $150.
Using this method, anyone who pays $$ to ship even a donated part to me will end up ahead, based on the shipping costs incurred.

Of course, how well this works out depends on what price the buyer would tolerate. I'm supposing an end price of $2500-$3000 for a real pretty bike, with some donated parts and some purchased or restored parts, and maybe $500 for my efforts, plus Payback to me for the machine work and parts I'll have to buy, too. So, I'll shop around for a buyer who wants a pristine CB750K1-6 to see what the price might be, and if this is practical.

And, if this works, maybe I'll go into business...  ::)
« Last Edit: February 09, 2008, 01:42:31 PM by HondaMan »
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Re: Let's help create the "HONDAMAN SPECIAL"
« Reply #18 on: February 09, 2008, 04:35:31 AM »
Hemi-Headed?  Do tell...

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Re: Let's help create the "HONDAMAN SPECIAL"
« Reply #19 on: February 09, 2008, 06:25:27 AM »
Yeah, it takes work to make a 750's head like a 650's... :)



I'm VERY interested to see what comes out with Hondaman building this bike!

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Re: Let's help create the "HONDAMAN SPECIAL"
« Reply #20 on: February 09, 2008, 06:43:16 AM »
No sidestand?  I was thinking sidestands may be a bad thing myself by bringing the float fuel on my CRs and oil to the left of the bike.  I usually start it upright.  Is this why you say no sidestand?
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Re: Let's help create the "HONDAMAN SPECIAL"
« Reply #21 on: February 09, 2008, 06:53:38 AM »
I have a 72K motor that has around 5g on it, but it is stuck.

He can have that if we can figure out how to get it to him.

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Re: Let's help create the "HONDAMAN SPECIAL"
« Reply #22 on: February 09, 2008, 09:07:49 AM »
I believe he said no sidestand switches...eliminating potential nuisance problems....good idea if your memory is good.

Thanks Swoop.

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Re: Let's help create the "HONDAMAN SPECIAL"
« Reply #23 on: February 09, 2008, 09:25:48 AM »
 ;D ;D ;D ;D man i'm all grins about this one, I to am the curious one to see this happen sounds like a new beginning to an old friend(the 750 I mean) for all of us. 8)
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« Reply #24 on: February 09, 2008, 10:07:27 AM »
HM, by Timkens do you mean just the brand or tapered roller Timkens??. goy lots of experience on them..
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