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Changes in Ebay
« on: February 07, 2008, 04:24:30 PM »
Some of you may or not be aware how much Ebay is going up and changing;

It is pitance, that the insertion fee is 50% less.......50 cents to 25 cents. Big deal.

The real story is that the final bid price will be taxed 8.5% instead of 5.2%......67% increase.

The extra money is going to be given to power sellers that sell $1000+ a month.

I read that sellers won't be able to give negative feedback, but I can't substantiate that.

Ebay wants to Police the shipping charges. I agree that some over charge, but maybe the buyers should decide whether to buy or not. Unless you have a business, it is sometimes hard to figure these costs. I have lost money in some cases and never do I recoup my time or travel to the post office / mail box ect.

Consider PayPal (Ebay owns it!) charges 2-5%? and you have a cost to sell (Ebay invoice and PayPal) that is greater than the local WantAd.

Basically, business is flat, economy questionable. Ebay is a business that wants more money. They don't care about the little guys that got them going in the beginning. They are going to suck us like vampires.


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Re: Changes in Ebay
« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2008, 04:34:10 PM »
Yep, I've been keeping up with the changes.  Ebay wants to be more like Amazon, and making the necessary changes to achieve that.  And it's true that they are doing away with the ability of sellers to leave anything less than positive feedback for buyers. 

I'm not worried, though.  Somebody else will pick up where they've left off. 

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« Reply #2 on: February 07, 2008, 07:35:15 PM »
Some of you may or not be aware how much Ebay is going up and changing;

It is pitance, that the insertion fee is 50% less.......50 cents to 25 cents. Big deal.

The real story is that the final bid price will be taxed 8.5% instead of 5.2%......67% increase.

The extra money is going to be given to power sellers that sell $1000+ a month.

I read that sellers won't be able to give negative feedback, but I can't substantiate that.

Ebay wants to Police the shipping charges. I agree that some over charge, but maybe the buyers should decide whether to buy or not. Unless you have a business, it is sometimes hard to figure these costs. I have lost money in some cases and never do I recoup my time or travel to the post office / mail box ect.

Consider PayPal (Ebay owns it!) charges 2-5%? and you have a cost to sell (Ebay invoice and PayPal) that is greater than the local WantAd.

Basically, business is flat, economy questionable. Ebay is a business that wants more money. They don't care about the little guys that got them going in the beginning. They are going to suck us like vampires.


They will lean their lesson. When you have a monoply it is easy to do business. The economy will teach them a lesson. Walmart is slashing prices, my local Home Depot is a ghost town. They will be kissing our azzes to sell. Just wait.
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Re: Changes in Ebay
« Reply #3 on: February 07, 2008, 10:13:08 PM »
How do they expect to compensate for the removal of buyer feedback? Instant payment? No waiting? I could probably handle that, but what is the recourse if the buyer leaves you bad feedback over a BS issue?

This is also all happening as the person in charge steps down...
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« Reply #4 on: February 08, 2008, 12:12:44 AM »
News have reached spanish papers too. What I read is that sellers won't be able to give negative feedback. That's good IMO. Once the buyer pays, he has done his part of the deal. If the seller don't want negative feedback, he better do his part and pack the things carefully, ship them quickly and he will have nothing to be worried about. Even if it takes two months to get what you paid for, the date on the stamp tells the story whether it was the seller or the mail that was late.

I stop selling on eBay long ago, but I keep buying. I don't sell because what I have to sell -mainly books and CD's to make room for more bike parts- never achieve a high price, so after paying eBay and Paypal fees, and taking the time to write the listing and go to the post office, I end up making 7 or 8 euros for a couple items and an hour's work, and that's not worth the time alone. I rather throw the goods away and save the time.

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Re: Changes in Ebay
« Reply #5 on: February 08, 2008, 03:49:28 AM »
What I read is that sellers won't be able to give negative feedback. That's good IMO. Once the buyer pays, he has done his part of the deal.

Nope, there are PLENTY of things a buyer can do after making payment that would warrant a negative rating from the seller.  Just ask anyone who sells on a fairly regular basis.

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« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2008, 06:01:42 AM »
Gordon can you elaborate on this...Im curious to know.

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Re: Changes in Ebay
« Reply #7 on: February 08, 2008, 06:30:48 AM »
What I read is that sellers won't be able to give negative feedback. That's good IMO. Once the buyer pays, he has done his part of the deal.

Nope, there are PLENTY of things a buyer can do after making payment that would warrant a negative rating from the seller.  Just ask anyone who sells on a fairly regular basis.


What about the seller who holds feedback hostage,buyer completes his part but ends up with an issue that the seller refuses to correct,seller does not leave feedback until buyer has left his,just in case buyer leaves neg.,
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« Reply #8 on: February 08, 2008, 06:58:08 AM »
i can,once i pay,im done with the transaction,ive held up my end of the bargain and the seller should too.which means,communication,i cant stand a seller that wont communicate.i understand shipping issues arise,but provide me with tracking info and ill be happy.
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« Reply #9 on: February 08, 2008, 08:04:25 AM »
Buyers aren't all angels, folks.  Some bid and go on vacation for a month.  If I don't know what;'s going on, I'll offer the item to another bidder.  Some foreign guys bid and then get PO'd because of the shipping costs.  Ot want you to lie on the customs form.  Or claim the box never got there while they're looking for the right socket to bolt the part on their bike. 
I now charge for insurance whether they like it or not. 

When I tried to be honest with bidders about Paypal, Ebay pulled my auction, saying it was "fee evasion".  They told me to build the final cost of my item into the price.  What the hell does THAT mean?  So, I charge more for shipping and "handling".  When Ebay charges for the final value, that includes the shipping cost and I think that should be illegal.  Final value should be on the item, not the total.

If you ever read the Ebay chat boards, some folks are proposing a boycott for one week.  I really doubt the big sellers pay any attention to that, and just like UPS, Ebay really isn't interested in the little guy anymore.

At any rate- if you're irritated with Ebay, you need to tell Ebay.  If enough people do that, maybe something will sink in.
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Re: Changes in Ebay
« Reply #10 on: February 08, 2008, 08:13:10 AM »
Sometimes I am slow about a feedback; I forget or get busy. Ebay reminds you and always, eventually, I do give feedback.

If there is no threat to give negative feedback, buyers can screw the sellers all day (though there are only a few bad guys).

You have to look at the big picture..........

Ebay doesn't want us small guys anymore. Ebay doesn't want us to sell, not worth their time, and they want EBAY STORES!!! Mega sellers. The negative feedback for sellers is gone because Ebay is going to be the new sheriff in town. They will decide who sells and who is in need of punishment.

My opinion...

The small guys sell the interesting stuff on Ebay. Sometimes a good price and sometimes not. If I wanted the mundane usual crap, that alot of the Ebay stores sell, I would go to a local store instead and save shipping costs and be able to inspect the product up close. Or, I would rather seach the internet by myself, use a credit card to buy instead of feeding the PayPal system.

I sell unusual stuff. I buy unusual stuff. Lately, I see very little unusual available now on Ebay that can be found anywhere.

I have not seen it yet, but I believe the internet taxes will come and the Ebay stores will be Ebay's method of controlling sellers. The average guy/seller won't be able to make individual tax payments to states, as is actually required currently in some cases now.

I think Ebay has peaked. The change at the guard indicates it. She left because the shareholders want more $$$.

I will continue to use Ebay (as much as I am complaining) because it still has some life left in it. Who knows what will happen eventually.




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Re: Changes in Ebay
« Reply #11 on: February 08, 2008, 08:34:48 AM »
I rather throw the goods away and save the time.

Raul

With all the things we hear about doing our part to reduce, reuse and recycle, wouldn't selling on feebay, even if the returns are low, be better than throwing goods away?

Ebay is the ultimate recycler!
Sell your junk to somebody else and buy stocks in the transportation sector.
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« Reply #12 on: February 08, 2008, 08:48:03 AM »
Feed back is like Silicone Sealer...

 only 1 in 10 folks understand the terms..SPARINGLY  &  OPTIONAL !!!


And FunJimmy.. I have found it is actually sometimes more fun to give some stuff away than to list it on ebay.. the only winners on cheap stuff that wont fit in an envelope are ebay & the Post Office..

Andy, it would take PAGES to describe what buyers can do after they sent payment...
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Re: Changes in Ebay
« Reply #13 on: February 08, 2008, 08:49:14 AM »
True, Ebay is the "Garage sale of the world" Ultimate re-cycling.

Unfortunately, that is not sufficient for the shareholders. They have hamburger, but want steak.

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Re: Changes in Ebay
« Reply #14 on: February 08, 2008, 10:26:52 AM »
Gordon can you elaborate on this...Im curious to know.

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I won't bore you with a huge list, but buyer's remorse factors into many of the reasons.  A buyer can falsely claim that the item is not as described, do a chargeback through paypal or their credit card, send the item back and then leave the seller a negative because he wouldn't also pay for the return shipping. 

A buyer could also decide, after the fact, that they paid too much for an item, and then threaten the seller with a negative feedback if he doesn't give the buyer a partial refund.

I'd say these buyers deserve a negative rating even though they already paid, wouldn't you? 

Those are just two examples of the dozens of things a buyer can do, after making payment, to deserve a negative, and they aren't just hypothetical examples either.  These kinds of things happen a lot more often than you'd think.

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« Reply #15 on: February 08, 2008, 10:27:29 AM »
 Negative feedback does not hurt a buyer in the least bit financially. It can only hurt the seller moneywise by shying buyers away or when ebay limits a sellers selling account. A seller doesn't care AT ALL what the buyers feedback is, he just wants to get paid on time. I would never leave neg after being paid and the positive feedback left for me, theres absolutely no reason to do otherwise. Its in a professional seller's best long-term interest to do a good honest transaction.
  As for fees going up, so what else is new?
  

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« Reply #16 on: February 08, 2008, 10:33:07 AM »
I would never leave neg after being paid and the positive feedback left for me
 


Neither would I, but the main idea behind a paying buyer trying to extort the seller is the fact that they haven't left feedback yet, and are threatening to leave a negative if the seller doesn't give into their demands.

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« Reply #17 on: February 08, 2008, 10:34:47 AM »
Gordon can you elaborate on this...Im curious to know.

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These kinds of things happen a lot more often than you'd think.


and they happen with international buyers too! A lot harder to reconcile the issue.
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« Reply #18 on: February 08, 2008, 11:46:04 AM »
There is always an alternative.....

http://ebid.net/

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Re: Changes in Ebay
« Reply #19 on: February 08, 2008, 11:47:40 AM »
It would take pages to explain all kind of different situations. I once bought a magazine for $2, then decided that it was not worth it, and took me at least 10 mails -no exaggeration- to convince the seller that it was perfectly right to pay him $2 so he can either relist or throw it away, while he insisted I had to complete the transaction. I have had carbs put inside a box, with no padding at all, miraculously arrived safe after having met each other for thousands of miles of traveling. I have had a book described as "like new" arriving not only wet stained, but actually damp! It took me four mails to make the seller admit he unadvertedly let it fall into water after he listed it. It took almost three weeks to arrive, main reason he waited for it to dry but he couldn't hide it. Another book described as "new" had not only water damage, but also mold in pages. I got some discount from it because I didn't mind, but what if you want the book in perfect condition? You never recover the shipping costs. Even when I have been ripped off with postage I have never given any negative feedback because it is useless, but most of the times, with communication, I have got a refund to balance the situation.


Actually, I don't throw anything away, but give it for free to friends and relatives, and I know they will pass the items. That way I can get something for free too. If eBay evolves into a place for megasellers, it's deemed to disappear, because mega-sellers never sell rare stuff, and if they sell it they know its market value, so there will be nothing you can't find anywhere else. The beauty of eBay is that you can get your personal "rosebud", something you would pay a kidney for, for a song because it is almost worthless to somebody else. If it becomes a regular shop there would be nothing interesting in it.

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« Reply #20 on: February 08, 2008, 12:07:43 PM »
Raul says;

"because mega-sellers never sell rare stuff, and if they sell it they know its market value"

That is exactly my point!

I don't need Ebay if there isn't anything to interest me.

Ebay believes the mega-sellers will save the corporate "bottom line" , but they will lose me.

I started buying on Ebay in 1998 because a friend told me there were interesting items at bargain prices. Today, nothing interesting, and no bargains.

Ebay is a ship lost at sea trying to find a port.

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and they happen with international buyers too! A lot harder to reconcile the issue.
 International shipping outside the USA is VERY RISKY- if the buyer claims item did not arrive (claimed honestly or dishonestly), the buyer gets a FULL REFUND INCLUDING SHIPPING AUTOMATICALLY FROM PAYPAL! In other words, seller loses his item, loses the actual money paid to usps for shipping PLUS he loses the entire paypal transaction amount. Its TRIPLE jeopardy.
  

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« Reply #22 on: February 08, 2008, 02:37:25 PM »
In other words, seller loses his item, loses the actual money paid to usps for shipping PLUS he loses the entire paypal transaction amount. Its TRIPLE jeopardy.
 

That's not correct. The seller only loses the article he sends and the shipping.

Before the transaction: seller have the item. He receives X for the item and Y for shipping. Now he's got item + x + y. He spends y to send item, now he's got X. Paypal claims the money back, so he got X but he is deducted X + Y, so he ends up without item + Y.

Obviously, seller loses, but he can fix it by not letting international sellers bid on their items. That way he is losing also because he gets less bidders and so lower final value.

Take it from an "international" buyer, I don't buy that much in the US anymore because USPS is very expensive now and because more sellers refuse to sell me, even though I have 600+ positive feedback. The lower the final value, the lower the fee. The lower the final value, the less articles listed, the less listing fees. When only mega-sellers remain, as they discover they are being charged for listing when they could open their own webpage for a fraction of the price, even less listings and less fees. Fees are like taxes: if you increase the taxes to business, there will come a time that people will not open business because of the high taxes, and then the state will not get anything at all. Greed is bad in short and long term.

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« Reply #23 on: February 08, 2008, 03:04:37 PM »
In other words, seller loses his item, loses the actual money paid to usps for shipping PLUS he loses the entire paypal transaction amount. Its TRIPLE jeopardy.
 

they could open their own webpage for a fraction of the price, even less listings and less fees. Fees are like taxes: if you increase the taxes to business, there will come a time that people will not open business because of the high taxes, and then the state will not get anything at all. Greed is bad in short and long term.


BUT- for every 20 items I sell on ebay I get one request on my website. Unfortunately ebay is HUGE and lots of people are looking. I end up selling a lot of stuff on ebay for pretty cheap and when you subtract paypal and listing fees the price gets even lower. I guess if I had the time and money I would market a personal website more, but ebay wins because you pay for the convenience :(
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« Reply #24 on: February 08, 2008, 06:44:38 PM »
Sellers can leave negative retalitory feedback. I just got nailed by crcycle1 and some know this looser for not sending the right items!!
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