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Offline inline4

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Tire-type questions
« on: February 11, 2008, 12:49:28 PM »
OK guys. Bear with me here. ;D
Am I correct in assuming that a bias-ply tire is used on spoked wheels (with a tube) and a radial tire is to be used on solid or mag wheels?
I've been shopping for new tires for my 550K and very seldom does a particular site say whether or not a certain tire is tube-type or not.
Many Thanks for your patience and replies. :)
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Re: Tire-type questions
« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2008, 12:54:25 PM »
Bias ply tires are more intended for low speeds,  radials are designed for applications such as sportbikes where the tire will see heavy cornering loads, and in some cases, INSANELY high speeds.   

Tube and tubeless tires are something I do not understand myself, and fail to comprehend the difference between.

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Re: Tire-type questions
« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2008, 01:17:13 PM »
Thanks for your replies.
I'm looking to buy either Avon AM26 RoadRider or Dunlop GT501 tires but can't determine if either set requires a tube. I have the original wheels on my 550K
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Re: Tire-type questions
« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2008, 01:24:23 PM »
Read my post above again  ;)


DUH!
I have a tendancy to make things more difficult than they actually are. ::) ::)



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Re: Tire-type questions
« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2008, 04:19:53 PM »
There was/is some debate whether radial ply tyres are good for motorcycles at all.

When originally introduced, radials were very "squirmy".  Radial ply construction enabled thinner sidewalls, which contorted, allowing tread to stay on the road surface, giving a higher threshold for breaking surface grip(the point at which the tyre breaks free of the road surface under lateral force).  But, breaking free under greater force meant less predictable handling.  Bias ply had firm, thicker sidewalls and a lower, but more predictable breaking point.

These factors were problematic for motorcycles.

First, on motorcycles, a flexible, distorting sidewall worked badly with lateral forces in cornering, and worked badly with thin bead spoked wheels,  Cornering on bikes involves angling the tyre.  This means creating an apposing force which moves the tread to the outside of the turn, and the bead to the inside of the turn.  Moving the tyre surface outward has a negative effect on traction, and moving the bead inward has a negative effect on strength.  Because radial tyres increase this distortion with their thin sidewalls, radial tyres were generally bad for motorcycles

Second, a sudden breaking point instead of a predictable one, meant it was difficult to tell when a tyre would start to slide around a corner.  By the time the tyre broke, the bike was going too fast to correct.  A rider had a better chance of catching a slide earlier and correcting, on bias ply tyres.

Finally, adding strength to the centre, was not easy on a rounded crest.  Bias ply construction, meant rather even sidewall and tread area thickness - ideal for a rounded crest.  Not so with radials.  Tread plys in early radial tyres separated easily and could not hold a curved tread properly.

Radials for motorcycles were introduced successfully only very recently (Pirelli and Michelin, 1980's) and were still somewhat prone to these problems.  To fix this, they were given thicker sidewalls and fewer tread strengthening plys.  (One might say, "the worst of both worlds".)
Today, radials are made with stronger and thinner carbon fibre material, which enables the makers to add back non-separating tread plys, to thicken the tread area while still keeping it rounded, without detracting greatly from the sidewall performance.  In other words, motorcycle radials are a crossbreed of bias ply and radial ply design.  Unfortunately, they lost something with the compromise, and what makes radial ply construction good for cars, is exactly what makes it not so good for bikes.