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CB550K1 dropped dead. My electrical system suddenly went under
« on: February 13, 2008, 04:01:43 PM »
My CB550K1 died very suddenly at about 4K RPM, 10 seconds after I started it tonight.  Now none of the lights come on at all, not even dimly,  and it won't even try to start.  The fuses look good, it was running fine earlier today and it started easily right before it dropped dead.  Any ideas?  I am waiting for my multimeter to arrive in the mail but I can probably borrow my friends for now.
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Re: CB550K1 dropped dead. My electrical system suddenly went under
« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2008, 04:21:25 PM »
check to be sure the ignition switch is still plugged in, happens to me once in a while because i have the switch up on the handlebars

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Re: CB550K1 dropped dead. My electrical system suddenly went under
« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2008, 04:32:50 PM »
Between this post and your other one, it sounds like you need to spend some time going through your electrical system(not trying to state the obvious, but it sounds like it needs a complete going through so you know what you have). 

Search the forum for a post that explains using a 12v light bulb in place of a fuse for finding shorts.  It might have made it into the electrical FAQ which is another place you should read through. 

It sounds like your battery is dead or you have a blown fuse.  They can look good and still be blown if they blow in a way that the metal ends conceal the break.  So you need to figure out if you have a short that is blowing your fuse and draining your battery, or if your regulator isn't doing its job, or if your battery has gone bad and won't hold a charge.  Or some other problem.  A multimeter will be a big help.  If you're going to go at it seriously and logically, you need to be able to measure voltage at different points and at different RPMs.

Keep at it.  Everything I've mentioned is somewhere in this forum, you'll just have to do some searching for it.  I've gone through and read all these things here, so I know they're here somewhere
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Re: CB550K1 dropped dead. My electrical system suddenly went under
« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2008, 05:38:20 PM »
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They can look good and still be blown if they blow in a way that the metal ends conceal the break.

I second Dusty's point.  My 750F died on me doing 70 on the highway in traffic.  I swung over to the exit ramp thankfully nearby and coasted down to a stop. 

I looked my fuses over and they were all visually intact.  After I pushed the beast more than 3 miles home I found via multimeter that indeed the ignition fuse had melted out the end.  So the center wasn't broken and visually for the most part it looked normal.

If your fuse IS blown, trace the mess back to something that may be partially melted down on ya.

Here's my melted wiring post   -->  http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=25039.0

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Re: CB550K1 dropped dead. My electrical system suddenly went under
« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2008, 06:25:39 PM »
check to be sure the ignition switch is still plugged in, happens to me once in a while because i have the switch up on the handlebars


........... Got tired of that and put another switch back in the stock bracket. Found there was a short where the strain relief behind the switch had bit through a wire - a few miles down the road. Carry spare fuses!


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Re: CB550K1 dropped dead. My electrical system suddenly went under
« Reply #6 on: February 14, 2008, 12:27:01 AM »
Thanks for the input guys.  I may go buy some fuses and see if replacing them gets the bike running again, but I am looking forward to spending some quality time with the multimeter to finally put these electric problems to rest.

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Re: CB550K1 dropped dead. My electrical system suddenly went under
« Reply #7 on: February 14, 2008, 03:35:03 AM »
I wouldnt be the least bit surprised to find you need to replace the wiring harness on your bike.   not trying to be mean but its not unlikely that there was some reason the previous owner screwed up as much as they did, unless they were just incredibly lazy/stupid and good at screwing up excellent designs.

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Re: CB550K1 dropped dead. My electrical system suddenly went under
« Reply #8 on: February 15, 2008, 08:07:10 AM »
I wouldnt be the least bit surprised to find you need to replace the wiring harness on your bike. 

I have the rectifier and voltage regulator with all the wires sitting in my shop if you need it.

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Re: CB550K1 dropped dead. My electrical system suddenly went under
« Reply #9 on: February 15, 2008, 11:39:00 AM »
Thanks for the input guys.  I may go buy some fuses and see if replacing them gets the bike running again, but I am looking forward to spending some quality time with the multimeter to finally put these electric problems to rest.

Going to take more then just a multimeter to put electrical gremlins to rest, but I do like your optimism!!!  Spend a day with emery paper and micro files to shine up every connector on the bike.  Pack them with dielectric grease to slow future corrosion.

As TT stated so succinctly, you have classic fuse clip oxidations symptoms where by a resistive fuse connection causes enough heat to melt the guts of you fuse under the metal cap.
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Re: CB550K1 dropped dead. My electrical system suddenly went under
« Reply #10 on: February 15, 2008, 12:00:30 PM »
I had something very similar thing happen to me once, I was just riding down the road then everything all of a sudden died.  After scratching my head for a week, I found out that the base of my ignition switch had just warn out.  I don't think if your 550k1 has a similar style ignition, but you might be able to tell if that'd the problem by playing with the wires that plug into the ignition switch with the key in the on position.  If the lights flicker, that might be your problem.

Good luck chasing the electrical gremlins out of your 550, I've been there once and it's not fun.
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« Reply #11 on: February 15, 2008, 12:18:31 PM »
Good luck chasing the electrical gremlins out of your 550, I've been there once and it's not fun.

Yes it is....  If you like using your brain. Like many things, it's actually pretty easy, once you've put some knowledge inside the noggin.
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Re: CB550K1 dropped dead. My electrical system suddenly went under
« Reply #12 on: February 15, 2008, 01:26:40 PM »
Yes it is....  If you like using your brain. Like many things, it's actually pretty easy, once you've put some knowledge inside the noggin.

We must have a different definition of the word fun then.  :) 

I've only had to track down electrical gremlins a few times in my short lifetime, but with my primary profession of being a computer programmer, I deal with tracking down minute problems in complex systems on a daily basis.  Sure it may be pretty easy to do with the right knowledge, but it takes time and a decent amount of guess and check.  I guess I just don't find that particularly fun.
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Re: CB550K1 dropped dead. My electrical system suddenly went under
« Reply #13 on: February 15, 2008, 03:46:11 PM »
Yes it is....  If you like using your brain. Like many things, it's actually pretty easy, once you've put some knowledge inside the noggin.

We must have a different definition of the word fun then.  :) 

Guess so.

I've only had to track down electrical gremlins a few times in my short lifetime, but with my primary profession of being a computer programmer, I deal with tracking down minute problems in complex systems on a daily basis. 
Did similar things only in the circuit world for years.  Minutia is not a stranger to circuit design or repair.  But, I happen to like the physical realization of accomplishment and having something in my hands that is tangible in the physical world.  I happen to like solving problems were the outcome is a device that you can clearly see, feel, or touch, and functions as intended. And, being successful at it, is enormous fun.  And, figuring out why is an adventure in itself.  Having said that, the fun is gone if there are time pressures involved, either impressed upon or self imposed. 

There's no part of your profession that is fun?  No wonder mental gymnastics seems abhorrent.  I can see that if you hate your job, learning electrical basics won't be fun either.  Searching through or creating lines of code wasn't something I enjoyed, either, after I learned the basics.  I made sure people didn't get the idea I was good at it, so I wouldn't be asked to do it.

Sure it may be pretty easy to do with the right knowledge, but it takes time and a decent amount of guess and check.  I guess I just don't find that particularly fun.
Guess and check?  No wonder you hate it!  A few minutes of basics and the right, very simple tools and you don't HAVE to guess.  Electrical behavior is very much in the physical world realm and predictable.

Personal attitude make a great deal of difference on what is fun.  Few people like to do anything they feel forced to do.  Certainly, if you'd rather do something else, the current task whatever it is, is distasteful.  Many of the members here like to work on their bikes.  Electrical is just another aspect.  And, it is far simpler with these bikes then modern ones.  I also found being an electrical hobbiest, and building various circuits fun, too.  Getting paid to do it, certainly didn't hurt skill expansion.

I suppose we have different goals regarding these old bikes.  I rather like working on them and making all aspects function properly, as well, as riding them, and admiring them... for fun.  It's a hobby for me.   Aren't hobbies a waste of time and a bit of mental exercise?

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Re: CB550K1 dropped dead. My electrical system suddenly went under
« Reply #14 on: February 15, 2008, 04:53:47 PM »
There's no part of your profession that is fun?  No wonder mental gymnastics seems abhorrent.  I can see that if you hate your job, learning electrical basics won't be fun either.  Searching through or creating lines of code wasn't something I enjoyed, either, after I learned the basics.  I made sure people didn't get the idea I was good at it, so I wouldn't be asked to do it.


Oh don't get me wrong, I like my job just fine.  Programming is just all about problem solving, which can be quite rewarding when you figure out an imaginative way to do something, or figure out a way to save the guy down the hall a couple hours worth of work each week.  It's just trudging through hundreds of lines of code just to figure out why something broke can become quite tedious at times.  But hey, I figure almost all jobs have their ups and downs.

But now that we've successfully deviated from the main topic....I'll just leave it at that.   ;)
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Re: CB550K1 dropped dead. My electrical system suddenly went under
« Reply #15 on: February 15, 2008, 07:49:30 PM »
Shepard this happened to me last week. Luckily my trusty honda still had the three fuses behind the side cover. I was on my way. I replaced the fuse with a spare at the next minimart. $1.29 for a mixed set... Most convienece stores have them. like Two Tired said my 15? fuse was oxidised green colored and was blown.I didnt have a problem till I stopped for a break. Then it was nothing.
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