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Re: Resistors for 3-ohm coils!
« Reply #75 on: May 16, 2008, 07:35:57 PM »
wiring help needed:

The Accel coils I'm running have a yellow or blue connector on one side, and each coil has a tan wire that connects to the bl/white wire from the wiring harness. the left and right on Hondaman's device wires attach where the two tan wires were attached on the coils.  male bullet connector gets plugged in to the bl/white harnessleaving two unattached male bullet wires, which I can remove.

Does this sound correct?

hym

I'm a little confused: those leftover bullets. If they are male, they would be attached to the coils' (-) side (yellow or blue, I think, from your description), which should go to the bike's points.
Normally, the harness ends are female, and the accessory that plugs into the harness is male.
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Re: Resistors for 3-ohm coils!
« Reply #76 on: May 16, 2008, 07:49:55 PM »
currently, the coils have a yellow or blue wire, and also a tan wire that goes to the black/white wire coming from the harness:
(Left coil)             (right coil)
tan / yellow           blue / tan

The blue and yellow wires go to the points.
The two tan wires attached to the (hot)black/white wire from the wiring harness by means of a "Y" connector.

I intend to leave the yellow and blue wires alone.
I want to attach the male bullet connector from Hondaman's resistor pack to the (hot) bl/wh wire, and the left and right  wires from the resistor pack to the posts on the coils that originally held the tan wires, which I will remove.
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Re: Resistors for 3-ohm coils!
« Reply #77 on: May 17, 2008, 12:21:18 AM »
Hondaman,

in the confines of that "hump" inside the gas tank, the resistor must stay cooler than 180 degrees, so an aluminum-cased resistor, with a 60 degree/watt dissipation, can be used, since:
180 degrees/ 2.98 watts = 60.4 degrees/watt.
This will keep it from becoming too hot in a "consumer-overtested" situation. By mounting the thingies on an aluminum heatsink, it gives even more margin for the system: my bike's Vetter lowers tend to raise those undertank temps much higher because of the reduced airflow in heavy traffic. I don't want to blow me up! 

The current bike will have a lower fairing. I'd like to know if insulating the piece would help to keep its operating temperature down?

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Re: Resistors for 3-ohm coils!
« Reply #78 on: May 17, 2008, 06:47:12 AM »
Hondaman,

in the confines of that "hump" inside the gas tank, the resistor must stay cooler than 180 degrees, so an aluminum-cased resistor, with a 60 degree/watt dissipation, can be used, since:
180 degrees/ 2.98 watts = 60.4 degrees/watt.
This will keep it from becoming too hot in a "consumer-overtested" situation. By mounting the thingies on an aluminum heatsink, it gives even more margin for the system: my bike's Vetter lowers tend to raise those undertank temps much higher because of the reduced airflow in heavy traffic. I don't want to blow me up! 

The current bike will have a lower fairing. I'd like to know if insulating the piece would help to keep its operating temperature down?

hym


Hym:
You missed part of the equations:
The current in each resistor is 1/2 the total (50% duty cycle).
Assuming a very strong alternator (very rare on these bikes) and voltage drop in the long wires between the battery and the coils, via the handlebars and 6 connectors set at 0.2 volts (also optimistic, in my experience), set the voltage at 13.6 volts.

The heating current in each resistor is: (13.6v/[3+1] ohms)*.5= 1.7 amps. At 1 ohm, this becomes (1.7*1.7x1)=2.89 watts.

I tested the bare, un-sinked resistors at 12.8 volts, 3 amps for 10 minutes and only got 151 degrees surface temperature on those aluminum heatsinked cases. So, even if the bike is on a charger, with ignition on and engine off, with the heatsink it might reach 140 degrees, worst case. My bike has Vetter fairing and lowers, fully enclosed, and I only expect to see about 140 degrees in sitting-still traffic situations with mine, although the engine itself will raise the undertank area over 200 degrees routinely on a hot day: I measured it last year with one of those infrared temperature guns at 215 under there after a 15-minute ride on a 90-degree day. The coils get over 180 degrees in those conditions, too!

That's probably why we small gas when sitting in heavy, hot traffic!
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Re: Resistors for 3-ohm coils!
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currently, the coils have a yellow or blue wire, and also a tan wire that goes to the black/white wire coming from the harness:
(Left coil)             (right coil)
tan / yellow           blue / tan

The blue and yellow wires go to the points.
The two tan wires attached to the (hot)black/white wire from the wiring harness by means of a "Y" connector.

I intend to leave the yellow and blue wires alone.
I want to attach the male bullet connector from Hondaman's resistor pack to the (hot) bl/wh wire, and the left and right  wires from the resistor pack to the posts on the coils that originally held the tan wires, which I will remove.


how does this sound??

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Re: Resistors for 3-ohm coils!
« Reply #80 on: May 17, 2008, 03:40:04 PM »
Yep, that sounds right!
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Re: Resistors for 3-ohm coils!
« Reply #81 on: May 17, 2008, 03:52:47 PM »
many thanks!

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Re: Resistors for 3-ohm coils!
« Reply #82 on: May 18, 2008, 12:08:37 PM »
i know im late to the topic but i have a few questions about the set up that i was planing on running.
its a 76 cb750f
bought a dyna 2000 and 2.2 coils and suppression wires.
from what im reading now this will not work all that well with out resisors?  or is that just with the dyan s?
also the goal as im sure others is to have better and more contolled spark. 
i had already thought about the power draw of the dyna 2K and thought running LED lights and such could help save some power for charging the battery and also to buy a battery with more amp hours then stock.
im not very good with elcetronics but im learning.   its nice to see that there are people out there that have the knowlage and are willing to help others
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Re: Resistors for 3-ohm coils!
« Reply #83 on: May 18, 2008, 09:05:42 PM »
i know im late to the topic but i have a few questions about the set up that i was planing on running.
its a 76 cb750f
bought a dyna 2000 and 2.2 coils and suppression wires.
from what im reading now this will not work all that well with out resisors?  or is that just with the dyan s?
also the goal as im sure others is to have better and more contolled spark. 
i had already thought about the power draw of the dyna 2K and thought running LED lights and such could help save some power for charging the battery and also to buy a battery with more amp hours then stock.
im not very good with elcetronics but im learning.   its nice to see that there are people out there that have the knowlage and are willing to help others
thanks

First, it's important to understand that using a battery with more amp-hours won't help anything, here. The battery is just a "bucket", holding onto electrical current, and if there isn't enough to go around, there also won't be enough to store, either. Keep that in mind, and use the money elsewhere in your project. A standard battery will be fine.

I don't know all the INs and OUTs of the the Dyna 2000. But, here's the things you need to know about your bike to use that gizmo:
1. Honda has designed for up to 3.2 amps total ignition current in the old CB750 system. So, you must either give up some current elsewhere if your ignition is going to use more than that. An LED taillight will save an average of 0.2 amp, not all that much extra, there. The standard headlight is 50w/60w, and all halogens are more than that: you may have to switch to an older sealed-beam headlight to get it into the 45 watt range to save power there.
2. The wires that feed the coils from Honda's wiring harness are not heavy enough to run those 2.2 ohm coils for long. The wires will heat, and the insulation crack, and the splices (that feed other circuits) will begin to overheat and fail over a year's time or so. This will cause all sorts of other problems to appear, like with turn signals, handlebar switches, and the like. So, you must run separate wiring for the coils: run a 20 AWG wire from the IGN fuse up to the headlight, leaving the original wire in place, and join (or splice) it into the original wire inside the headlight, which will connect into the handlebars' KILL switch. This wire will help shunt the extra current needed by the new system, lowering the losses and heating elsewhere.
3. Using resistors will help: I currently have 1.0 ohm units for 3-ohm coils, and 2.5 ohm units for the riders using the 2.0 ohm Gold Wing coils. The 2.2 ohm coils should use 2.0 ohm resistors to directly match Honda's original specs. If you wanted them, I could probably make up a set like that, for a few extra bucks.
4. Consider the tuning capability of the Dyna 2000: if it has adjustable dwell, set it high, like a points ignition (180 mechanical degrees, or 90 electrical degrees (which shows up as 45 degrees on a dwell meter). Don't set it low, like a Dyna "S", or you will definitely have overcurrent problems.
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Re: Resistors for 3-ohm coils!
« Reply #84 on: May 18, 2008, 10:20:39 PM »
i would like to get a set of the reistors from you

what are the benifts of running the different ohm coils?  what will a 2.2 3 or 1 ohm coil do that the others will not.  im always of the mind that there is a right part for the job so i guess im just trying to figure the right coils.

also on a side note do you have a hondaman list of products that you make and sell?

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Re: Resistors for 3-ohm coils!
« Reply #85 on: May 19, 2008, 07:02:33 PM »
i would like to get a set of the reistors from you

what are the benifts of running the different ohm coils?  what will a 2.2 3 or 1 ohm coil do that the others will not.  im always of the mind that there is a right part for the job so i guess im just trying to figure the right coils.

also on a side note do you have a hondaman list of products that you make and sell?


Yeah, I think it's getting to the point where I need a "Line Card", like product vendors have! :P

Generally, the different coils are made for different purposes. Very low-ohm coils recover their magnetic fields faster than high-ohm coils, but do so at a cost of higher current and more parasitic heat. These are usually best matched up with electronics that will handle those characteristics without hurting the bike or the coil.

On the Gold Wing, for example, which also started out with points, the coils are automotive-style low-ohms units with series resistors (a "resistance wire" component). This resistance was done so the coils would run cooler and deliver stronger spark at low RPMs, since the engine turns much more slowly than the SOHC4 types. Having the lower ohms lets the spark stay strong at higher RPM, as the Wing engine is largely unaffected by the shorter spark (it's water cooled, so it's more forgiving). Our air-cooled engines benefit from a longer spark, even if it is of less voltage, because the temperatures of combustion vary so much: longer sparks help even things out across the whole RPM range. The stock Honda coils deliver a longer spark at higher RPM, while the Dyna makes a stronger, but shorter, spark over the same range. The lower the ohms, the shorter the spark's duration, but the higher the voltage will generally become. So, it becomes a tradeoff for the effects you want to tune into your bike.

This probably sounds vague, but if you ever get to experiment for a whole summer with several different coil types, the differences really will teach you something worth knowing about engines! My next plan: find a way to run those coil-on-plug units (like Ford engines have now). My Transistorized Ignition is up to the task: I just have to figure out the particulars. Those little beasties give the best of both worlds: hotter spark AND longer spark duration, because they are a slow-charge design (like a lawn mower coil, which would be perfect, really...).
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Re: Resistors for 3-ohm coils!
« Reply #86 on: May 20, 2008, 04:05:54 AM »
well let me know if you can make me a resistor set for the 2.2 coils and ill take on for the 3.0 so i can play around.
thanks for all the help.
how much does your ignition cost?  any other products that could help....save alittle on shipping....lol  please PM me if its easyer
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« Reply #87 on: July 06, 2008, 04:18:37 AM »
After spending four hours thinking about buying/not buying resistors for my 3-ohm coils I give in, please send me the resistors so wont have to recharge my battery every week! Please tell me the price with shipping to Denmark.

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Re: Resistors for 3-ohm coils!
« Reply #88 on: July 06, 2008, 09:08:32 AM »
After spending four hours thinking about buying/not buying resistors for my 3-ohm coils I give in, please send me the resistors so wont have to recharge my battery every week! Please tell me the price with shipping to Denmark.

I just sent a set to Denmark, 2 weeks ago. Ignitions, too. I think I need a Denmark distributor?
Drop me a PM at my e-mail: mgparis@concentric.net (that's also my Paypal). I think the shipping was $8. The Resistor Pack is $12.50 .
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Re: Resistors for 3-ohm coils!
« Reply #89 on: January 01, 2015, 09:27:38 PM »
Mark, sorry to dredge up an ancient topic...

Did you adjust the resistor selection for the temperature degrading the resistance value for operation above 25C which is typical with the wirewound resistor designs for chassis mount resistors?
Granted, mounting on an aluminum plate will help their conducting heat away but, the coil location on the bikes is in a high heat location, especially when idling in traffic (bad environment for air cooled bikes to begin with...). Granted, the coils are seeing this same heat and slowly heating up like the resistors are, but they have larger thermal mass than the resistors do.  Odds are, if the running is affected by the heat you are looking at other issues in addition to just the resistors seeing more heat and changing values due to that heat.

Just curious about the heat affecting the resistor value and if this is a factor or not.

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Re: Resistors for 3-ohm coils!
« Reply #90 on: January 02, 2015, 11:13:28 PM »
Mark, sorry to dredge up an ancient topic...

Did you adjust the resistor selection for the temperature degrading the resistance value for operation above 25C which is typical with the wirewound resistor designs for chassis mount resistors?
Granted, mounting on an aluminum plate will help their conducting heat away but, the coil location on the bikes is in a high heat location, especially when idling in traffic (bad environment for air cooled bikes to begin with...). Granted, the coils are seeing this same heat and slowly heating up like the resistors are, but they have larger thermal mass than the resistors do.  Odds are, if the running is affected by the heat you are looking at other issues in addition to just the resistors seeing more heat and changing values due to that heat.

Just curious about the heat affecting the resistor value and if this is a factor or not.

David

The type of wirewound resistors I use on these has a drift coefficient of less than .001% per 10 degrees C. So, presuming a worst-case scenario of 300 degrees up under the tank, this would shift the resistance [(300-25) * .001] * 1.0 ohm, or about 0.00275 ohms (twice that for the 2-ohm Resistor Packs). The coils themselves have a shift of .02% under the same heating, so I don't think it will make a significant difference compared to their shift.
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Re: Resistors for 3-ohm coils!
« Reply #91 on: January 09, 2015, 09:32:36 AM »
Thanks Hondaman, I forgot I was dealing with degrees C...OOPS.
Wasn't questioning your engineering. Was buying some stuff at digikey and ran across the wirewound resistors and recalled this thread.
Eons ago, I worked for TRW Resistive Products Division for about a year when I was fresh out of college.  I coincidentally worked on the wirewound resistor product line, a dying resistor line as power supplies and TVs were their mainstay and the movement to surface mount devices were changing the face of the electronics parts industry.  I was laid off in '85 and by late '86 or '87 they had sold that part of the company and the spinoff (IRC - International Resistor Corporation, the name before TRW bought them decades before) was out of business in about 6 years later.  They did business with Ford and other auto makers for ballast resistors. My boss there designed the resistive discharge circuit used on the US Apollo module & Soviet space station hook up ring. They feared about a capacitive discharge causing nasty things and built a resistive network to be imbedded in the docking collar so no spark would happen. Fire in space or capacitive sparks can be bad stuff... ESD causes an EMP pulse, did you know that?

Thanks again for the lesson!  I found it interesting.

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Re: Resistors for 3-ohm coils!
« Reply #92 on: January 09, 2015, 08:19:48 PM »
I have read through this thread and some of it is over my head but i do get the general idea... But i do have a question:

Why are we using the Dyna 3 ohm coils if there causing so many problems? Why not just use the Dyna 5 ohm coils instead? or source a 4 ohm coil?
-I understand the need for the resistor packs for people using the 3 ohm setups and there seem to be alot of them. but im asking for someone like me who hasnt bought coils yet.

On another note id love to pick your brain on CB450 ignitions.... but thats another thread or PM
 
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Re: Resistors for 3-ohm coils!
« Reply #93 on: January 10, 2015, 12:50:43 PM »
I have read through this thread and some of it is over my head but i do get the general idea... But i do have a question:

Why are we using the Dyna 3 ohm coils if there causing so many problems? Why not just use the Dyna 5 ohm coils instead? or source a 4 ohm coil?
-I understand the need for the resistor packs for people using the 3 ohm setups and there seem to be alot of them. but im asking for someone like me who hasnt bought coils yet.

On another note id love to pick your brain on CB450 ignitions.... but thats another thread or PM
 

Dyna introduced the 3-ohm coils in the early 1970s for racing apps and such things. When Honda switched the Resistor Caps on these bikes to 10,000 ohms in 1975 (and coincidentally by then many earlier Caps were burning out by then) the spark took on a dull yellow appearance when tested by laying a plug against the head, connecting to the coil, and cranking the engine. In contrast, the 35kV of the Dyna coil made a bright blue spark, and (uninformed journalists at) magazines like Performance Cycle told everyone, "Hey, this is a MUCH BETTER spark!" And, as most people don't understand electricity, and journalism being the sacred cow of all truth (sic), people believed it. Naturally, Dyna loved the sales, so the incursion to the SOHC4 market started. In truth, the Kawi 900 coils needed some help, and there were those reports about how it improved their system (for other reasons), so away it went.

All that was really needed was new sparkplug caps...  :(

Unfortunately, it also clobbered the CB750 and especially the smaller Fours who had neither the wire size, switch size (Run-Off switch contacts melt after a while), nor alternator capacity to support these coils.

And so it went: I still get about 2 of these bikes a year here where someone installed a Dyna S and 3-ohm coils (and the Dyna S somehow survived it), only to find out that if they were not on the open hiway at 45 MPH or faster, the battery drains lower and lower until the electric start won't work. Naturally, this messes up the battery chemistry, so year after year the bike needs a new battery, as the previous one ate the lead up in the plates. So, the owner parks the bike in frustration after a couple of seasons, and we find beautiful examples of low-mileage CB750s with bad batteries for sale today. So, there IS a silver lining in this cloud!  ;)
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Re: Resistors for 3-ohm coils!
« Reply #94 on: January 10, 2015, 01:24:56 PM »
I encountered the drained battery phenomen with Dyna-S and 3 ohms coils too.
Test run mostly over 5000rpm. Did almost not start on electrical starter when coming back home.
Only 50km test run.
Battery was not absolutely fully charged before. I had done some starts revving the engine outside the garage.

I returned to the shop and swapped the coils to 5 ohms. I had read on this forum and understood that 3 ohms coils will only give me problems.

Next step was swapping the Dyna-S back to points, NOS TEC and  Hondaman ign module.
Mounted a LED charging indicator lamp to supervise the charging when driving and parked with ign off.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/LED-Motorcycle-Battery-Alternator-Charge-monitor-level-indicator-warning-bike-G-/200826330214?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts_13&hash=item2ec22e9c66&vxp=mtr

Today changed my H4 headlight bulb to a LED version. 20/30W instead of 60/55W.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/301375731172?_trksid=p2060778.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

 I have also ordered rear/brake light bulb in LED version as well.  I could not decide which that match best 12 LEDS or 24, white or red. My car need too. So I ordered them all when they are almost for free with no shipping charge.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/291215707244?_trksid=p2059210.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
http://www.ebay.com/itm/301122868972?_trksid=p2059210.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
http://www.ebay.com/itm/301402702731?_trksid=p2059210.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
http://www.ebay.com/itm/310949322692?_trksid=p2059210.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

My battery will feel much better coming season with LED bulbs!
« Last Edit: January 11, 2015, 12:36:09 AM by PeWe »
CB750 K6-76  970cc (Earlier 1005cc JMR Billet block on the shelf waiting for a comeback)
CB750 K2-75 Parts assembled to a stock K2

Updates of the CB750 K6 -1976
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180468.msg2092136.html#msg2092136
The billet block build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,49438.msg1863571.html#msg1863571
CB750 K2 -1975  build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,168243.msg1948381.html#msg1948381
K2 engine build thread. For a complete CB750 -75
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180088.msg2088008.html#msg2088008
Carb jetting, a long story Mikuni TMR32
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,179479.msg2104967.html#msg2104967

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Re: Resistors for 3-ohm coils!
« Reply #95 on: January 11, 2015, 10:07:08 AM »
Bump so I can find this thread again later.
1971 Honda CB750 Four K1 [Engine: CB750E-1113521 / Frame: CB750-1113838]
1977 Seeley Honda CB750F (F1) [Engine: CB750E-2551214 / Frame No: SH7-655F]

'96 Yamaha YZF750SP & '81 Moto Guzzi SP1000 & '80 Moto Guzzi 850 LeMans II & '82 Bimota KB-3 [Frame No 49] & '66 Ducati 50 SL/1 & '53 Miele K-50 & '38 Miele 98

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Re: Resistors for 3-ohm coils!
« Reply #96 on: January 12, 2015, 01:20:54 AM »
like usual great information from Hondaman. I wish i knew  2% of what you know about these bikes...

Between this thread and a few others i think i have formulated a plan for the ignition setup

- Dyna 5 ohm coils (DC8-1)
- Copper plug wires
- NGK SD05FP / XD05FP 5k ohm plug caps
- X24ES-U or D8EA plugs (non resistor)
       > only have one 5k resistor either a resistor plug or resistor plug cap not both.....
- Points plate using TEC or Hitachi points try to avoid the Dachii ones
- Maybe later do a Dyna S or some other electronic ignition. but i really don't mind the simplicity of points.

For those that have 3 ohm coils hondaman's resistor pack seems like a no brainer at less than $20

Id also love to hear from anyone running a Dyna2000 im curious what the charging battery situation is with them. It is an ignition of interest but exceeds the budget at the moment....
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Re: Resistors for 3-ohm coils!
« Reply #97 on: January 12, 2015, 07:11:11 AM »
Accell Super Coils #140403 with Dyna S.  On my SS a decade, no problems.  Easy to install.  No resistors.


http://accel-motorcycle.com/motorcylce-and-atv/ignition-coils/universal-super-coil-kit-4cyl-inductive.html

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Re: Resistors for 3-ohm coils!
« Reply #98 on: January 12, 2015, 11:06:21 AM »
Is it really that bad to both have resistor plugs AND 5 kOhms plug caps?

I'm currently using Dyna cables with plug caps, DW-800 Grey silicone, 8mm graphite suppression core with DYNA 5 ohm coils + Hondaman ign + points.
I should not use NGK Iridium plugs with these cables? Or what negative will happen if I use reisitor and 5kohms cables/plugs?
I must use Denso X24ES-U or NGK D8EA with the surpressed wires/caps?

My carb jetting adventure has blackened some plugs. So I need to order some more.
I've learned to never use the expensive iriidium plugs until the ignition and carb float/ jetting are OK (perfect).
CB750 K6-76  970cc (Earlier 1005cc JMR Billet block on the shelf waiting for a comeback)
CB750 K2-75 Parts assembled to a stock K2

Updates of the CB750 K6 -1976
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180468.msg2092136.html#msg2092136
The billet block build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,49438.msg1863571.html#msg1863571
CB750 K2 -1975  build thread
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,168243.msg1948381.html#msg1948381
K2 engine build thread. For a complete CB750 -75
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,180088.msg2088008.html#msg2088008
Carb jetting, a long story Mikuni TMR32
http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php/topic,179479.msg2104967.html#msg2104967

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Re: Resistors for 3-ohm coils!
« Reply #99 on: January 13, 2015, 07:30:08 AM »
Hi I am using 3 Ohm Bol D'or coils on my '76 CB750 K6 with electronic ignition ( not Dyna ) with has a special 110 degree rotor which has less "opening" time to prevent overheating and battery drain already.  http://doc.honda4.nl/elz2coil/elz2coil.html
I have had no problems ( yet )  in the two years I am now riding ( brand new Varta Battery ).

Would the main benefit of these Resistors be to save the battery from draining, or is pretecting the wiring harnes the main goal ?

For the wiring harnes ( and stop and ignition switch )  I was thinking of mounting a relay. This relay would switch on with the original coils wire, and would then connect the coil to a direct wire from the battery. Would this help ? And what fuse should be used for only these 2 3 ohm coil circuit ?

I have not expirienced any issues with the electrical system yet, and would like to rule it out.
Also thinking of mounting the "hondaman Fuse-box" and a new modern typpe R/R combo unit. 

Any other good advise to keep her running ?

Bol Dór coils mount perfect on the original spot
« Last Edit: January 13, 2015, 07:32:10 AM by Tetter »