Topic: Politics: For All Those into USA Bashing

[736cc]

I like some of these ideas....

WOULDN'T IT BE GREAT TO TURN ON THE TV AND HEAR ANY
> U.S. PRESIDENT,
> DEMOCRAT OR REPUBLICAN GIVE THE FOLLOWING SPEECH?

> My Fellow Americans: As you all know, the defeat of
> the Iraq regime has
> been completed.
>
> Since congress does not want to spend any more money
> on this war, our
> mission in Iraq is complete.
>
> This morning I gave the order for a complete removal
> of all American
> forces from Iraq This action will be complete within
> 30 days. It is now
> time to begin the reckoning.
>
> Before me, I have two lists. One list contains the
> names of countries
> which have stood by our side during the Iraq
> conflict. This list is short.
> The United Kingdom , Spain , Bulgaria , Australia ,
> and Poland are some of
> the countries listed there.
>
> The other list contains everyone not on the first
> list. Most of the
> world's nations are on that list. My press secretary
> will be distributing
> copies of both lists later this evening.
>
> Let me start by saying that effective immediately,
> foreign aid to those
> nations on List 2 ceases immediately and
> indefinitely. The money saved
> during the first year alone will pretty much pay for
> the costs of the
> Iraqi war. THEN EVERY YEAR THERE AFTER IT GO TO OUR
> SOCIAL SECURITY SYSTEM
> SO IT WONT GO BROKE IN 20 YEARS.
>
> The American people are no longer going to pour
> money into third world
> Hellholes and watch those government leaders grow
> fat on corruption.
>
> Need help with a famine ? Wrestling with an
> epidemic? Call France .
>
> In the future, together with Congress, I will work
> to redirect this money
> toward solving the vexing social problems we still
> have at home . On that
> note, a word to terrorist organizations. Screw with
> us and we will hunt
> you down and eliminate you and all your friends from
> the face of the
> earth.
>
> Thirsting for a gutsy country to terrorize? Try
> France , or maybe China .
>
> I am ordering the immediate severing of diplomatic
> relations with France ,
> Germany , and Russia . Thanks for all your help,
> comrades. We are retiring
> from NATO as well. Bon chance, mess amiss.
>
> I have instructed the Mayor of New York City to
> begin towing the many UN
> diplomatic vehicles located in Manhattan with more
> than two unpaid parking
> tickets to sites where those vehicles will be
> stripped, shredded and
> crushed. I don't care about whatever treaty pertains
> to this. You creeps
> have tens of thousands of unpaid tickets. Pay those
> tickets tomorrow or
> watch your precious Benzes, Beamers and limos be
> turned over to some of
> the finest chop shops in the world. I love New York

> Mexico is also on List 2 President Felipe Calderon
> and his entire corrupt
> government really need an attitude adjustment. I
> will have a couple extra
> tank and infantry divisions sitting around. Guess
> where I am going to put
> 'em? Yep, border security.
>
> Oh, by the way, the United States is abrogating the
> NAFTA treaty -
> starting now.
>
> We are tired of the one-way highway. Immediately,
> we'll be drilling for
> oil in Alaska - which will take care of this
> country's oil needs for
> decades to come. If you're an environmentalist who
> opposes this decision,
> I refer you to List 2 above: pick a country and move
> there. They care.
>
> It is time for America to focus on its own welfare
> and its own citizens.
> Some will accuse us of isolationism. I answer them
> by saying, "darn
> too-tin."
>
> Nearly a century of trying to help folks live a
> decent life around the
> world has only earned us the undying enmity of just
> about everyone on the
> planet. It is time to eliminate hunger in America It
> is time to eliminate
> homelessness in America . To the nations on List 1,
> a final thought. Thank
> you guys. We owe you and we won't forget.
>
> To the nations on List 2, a final thought: You might
> want to learn to
> speak Arabic.
>
> God bless America . Thank you and good night.
>

[DammitDan]

> We are tired of the one-way highway. Immediately,
> we'll be drilling for
> oil in Alaska - which will take care of this
> country's oil needs for
> decades to come. If you're an environmentalist who
> opposes this decision,
> I refer you to List 2 above: pick a country and move
> there. They care.

It's this kinda #$%* that scares me the most.

> God bless America .

Sorry.  It's THIS kinda #$%* that scares me the most.

[dustyc]

Pretty good start.  I'm not a fan of the oil thing or not liking Canadians(since I oppose the war on the grounds that I believe it was about revenge on Saddam and about oil more than saving Iraqis from a dictator). 

I'd like to see on the list: 

"Once our short term energy needs are met by our Alaskan project, we will be implementing hydrogen as our new energy source and saving oil for strategic military reserves." 

"Welfare and other government programs will be audited and jobs will be found for everyone that can work.  We will have job openings in oil refining, constructing hydrogen plants, creating a national water distribution system, and public works projects that will avert huge insurance claims and government relief from natural disasters."

"Political corruption will no longer be tolerated.  Any public official caught engaging in any type of corruption will be imprisoned for life."

"Prisons will be institutions of reform and will become self sustaining."

"Drug laws will be reformed.  Marijuana and other currently illegal drugs will now be sold at liquor stores.  Your job will determine what drugs you can use.  The scale will be like this.  Musicians and artists will be able to do whatever drugs they want.  Doctors and pilots must be drug and alcohol free." 

There would be more, but that's a good start to make me happy.

[Gordon]

Screw with
> us and we will hunt
> you down and eliminate you and all your friends from
> the face of the
> earth.


And if we can't find you, we'll get on our moral high ground and invade a country that had nothing to do with it based on the false accusation of possessing "weapons of mass destruction" and call it a "preemptive srike".

[eldar]

Whatever any of you say, it is far better than what we have going on now.

[kpier883]

Screw with
> us and we will hunt
> you down and eliminate you and all your friends from
> the face of the
> earth.


And if we can't find you, we'll get on our moral high ground and invade a country that had nothing to do with it based on the false accusation of possessing "weapons of mass destruction" and call it a "preemptive srike".

Damn Gordon.  Truth is a strange thing when we are supposed to be talking politics...

[fuzzybutt]

as unpopular that stance may be 736, i am with you 100% it's time america started caring for americans and we stopped being "cops of the world"

[eldar]

AMEN!

[Raul CB750K1]

So does that mean that when the US help less favoured nations do it to buy support in future wars? Fact is that nobody, much less the american government, expected that the outcome of the iraqui invasion would be this. I didn't feel sorry for Sadam Hussein, but, even when the spanish government supported the war, can't help to think how wrong was a war without UN support, with grounds for suspicion about interests for oil, and much worse, with enrichment of government officials that worked as subcontractors -read Halliburton and the like-, less-than-skilled translators, interrogations without guarantee of human rights and the list goes on and on. You can't simply give money to a beggar and then expect him to help you out to beat your neighbour. I'm positive that the US would have got much more international support had GWB done things right from the beginning.

[Rocking-M]

Fact is that nobody, much less the american government, expected that the outcome of the iraqui invasion would be this.

Now, I think I'm not alone, but from the get go I figured it would be another Vietnam.

[Jonesy]

Truth is a strange thing when we are supposed to be talking politics...

"Honesty would f*ck this country up! The entire system would collapse! No one would know what to do!" -George Carlin

Truth is only information that people want to believe or fits their purposes. Now, if we looked at facts, this country would really be screwed up!

[Aaron J Williams]

I can't help to think how wrong was a war without UN support.

Are you talking about the same UN whose employees are raping little girls in Africa? Is it the same UN which used the Oil for Food program to funnel weapons money to Saddam while lining their own pockets with Oil for Food money? Is this the same UN which wants to enact a global gun ban? You can't be talking about the same UN which put Syria on the Human Rights Council and created the global warming hoax which is falling apart now under the weight of scientific evidence.

 America is a sovereign nation and we don't really care what the UN thinks, primarily because the UN is full of third world thugs and despots whose Hate America rhetoric is only eclipsed by their  Kill the Jews doctrine.

I totally agree that GWB botched it up in Iraq and Afghanistan. We should have used overwhelming force from the start but all the media pu**ies and the Democrats (who bow at the altar of the UN) whined and influenced enough useful idiots to sway the administration.

America is totally F-ed Up! The Constitution means only what the courts twist it to mean, 60 percent of the budget is for welfare programs which steal from working families to support single moms and fatherless children.  Illegal aliens are granted more rights than citizens as well as access to welfare provided by taxpaying citizens. Christianity in the public square is being systematically wiped out by the ACLU and others using a "separation of church and state" which doesn't even exist in the Constitution. Government is corrupt and incompetent from the top down on both sides of the isle and the citizens are disillusioned about the system and hopeless about change.

If "God Bless America" scares the hell out of you then you must love the country the way it is now - Godless and morally bankrupt. But history has shown that all great societies have followed this same path which leads either to tyranny and oppression or back to what the founders envisioned for us. Only by re-affirming our belief in God and our God-given rights can we take the country back and have the necessary tools to guide us down the path of enlightenment. The founding fathers were very devout spiritual people and they made this country assuming that we would believe as strongly as they did, care about freedom as much as they did, treasure the gifts they died to procure for us and carry out our civic duties to honor them and America. We have been very poor stewards of their legacy and it sickens me every day to see us continue on this path to dictatorship.

 

[333]

It's clear that whoever wrote this piece is under the belief that all we import is oil.  If ties to the third world are cut, then you can say goodbye to virtually all electronics, a sizable portion of the food we eat and the clothes we wear.  And Alaska probably doesn't have enough oil to provide all our needs, which include plastic, which comes from oil.

So, if the religion you want to bring back to us is that of the Amish, by all means, cut those ties.  I'm sure that in time, we would adjust.  It's that adjustment time that would kill, literally, many of us.

[CrisPDuk]

Does the 'Removal Of American Forces' include getting the CIA's noses the fcuk out of other people's countries too

[eldar]

So in other words, the US if F*ched for going into the countries but also F*cked if we leave? I mean that is how I am taking this.
I think we CAN ditch many countries and produce everything we need. We know how to make computers and everything else the rest of the world does. We HAVE the work force to do it too. Sure we might have to get rid of SUVs that get crap A$$ gas mileage, sorry but NO car or truck should get under 20 mpg! Then Suburbans and navigators should be much more efficient and would be if pressured.

It could be done. Sure it would require some sacrifice but our fore fathers sacrificed WAY more than most of us ever have had too. Maybe in the process this country could lose some weight too.

[Raul CB750K1]

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 America is a sovereign nation and we don't really care what the UN thinks, primarily because the UN is full of third world thugs and despots whose Hate America rhetoric is only eclipsed by their  Kill the Jews doctrine.

 

If the US, based in its undeniably supreme military power, starts to wage wars by their own criteria without international consent, will be falling in the same category than those countries they critizice: invading their neighbours to increase their wealth and eliminate a competitor. I'm glad that the biggest power in the world is a "democratic" country; fortunately Russia is not going through their best of times and China has changed plans and try to conquer the world with the economy rather than the military.

I say I'm glad because it is good that the most powerful country will be willing to act as an umpire, using their force to remove unfair and unjust wars between countries. From the moment the US decide they don't have to consult anybody else to wage war they won't have the moral authority to say what is wrong or right about other countries.


There is a proverb that says "when people is going through good times they tend to think they'll last forever". Unfortunately for you my american friends, those days are gone. The time of gazing our navels and die of success chanting "how good we are" are over. The asian countries are ready to supply the whole world with cheap, reliable transportation. The indian engineers can run circles around most of the american IT engineers at a tenth of their price. China companies -read Huawei- are building specialized electronic equipment at a fraction of american or european companies. If the US thinks they are so big they don't need anybody else they couldn't be more wrong; there are many foreign factories out there that are ready for the challenge to be more effective than the american companies. In less than 8 years since the european countries started with the common currency, the euro has gone from about 0.65 euro to one dollar, to 1.40 euro to one dollar. For the US it is more expensive to buy from Europe, and third world countries that used to accept US$ because of their low devaluation, they rather get paid in euros now.


The US is the hare than run the risk to be won by the turtle if the hare remains napping over her self-confidence. I just hope that whoever gets into the White House fixes all the blunders of GWB and starts to win some respect from the world community. You can only get respect by showing respect; with the force you don't get respect but fear, obeyance and hidden resent, and that's far from respect.

[Jonesy]

Raul, you remided me of another "Carlinism" (sorry I keep quoting him, but he was painfully right about so many things):

"We (the US) like war because it's the only thing we are still good at. We're not good at anythig else anymore. We've got no steel industry left, we can't build a car or a VCR worth a f*ck... We can't educate our young people, can't get health care for our old people, but by golly we can still bomb the sh*t out of your country!"

[Aaron J Williams]

I agree with you to a point. If the US uses it's military to destroy competition or build an empire then we have indeed lost the ability to see right from wrong. So far, it hasn't happened. Where I disagree is that I don't think we should play umpire for a host of countries that hate us.  There is a bill in congress now that would mandate the US government to spend .7 percent of GDP fighting world poverty. There is NOTHING in the Constitution which gives the government the right or obligation to do that. If Americans want to fight world poverty then it should be done voluntarily through private organizations and charities, not by force of government. Furthermore, most of the world's worst poverty is in Africa and the global warming nazis don't want Africa to develop!

I also agree that isolationism is not the right way to go. We need to compete in the global marketplace but our government taxes and restricts our industry to the point of making us unable to be competitive. The US has the highest corporate tax rate in the world as well as the most restrictions on business. This must change if we are to become competitive again. Business is dying the death by a thousand cuts and unfortunately nobody running for president cares about it. They all want bigger government and less individual freedom.  Things here are truly grim this election cycle and I don't foresee any light at the end of the tunnel.

[eldar]

There would be light at the tunnel but the media does not want you to see it. Ever check on Ron Paul? If there is any worthy candidate, it is him. Obama is alright too but Paul is where we should all be.

[BobbyR]

This is a bit scary in total. Like most of this stuff it has some very compelling things in it, and things I agree with. We realistically cannot isolate ourselves from the World. Getting the UN out of NY would be a very good thing. Prostitution is illegal in NY and the UN is the biggest whorehouse in the world.

[Rocking-M]

Just so a clip on the happiest nation in the world. The Danes. They practice a wonder thing called contentment.

[Frankenkit]

This whole thread both interests me and scares the hell out of me.

We've been merrily skipping down the road to Hell for a long time.  We found we could increase profit margins off things made in other countries.  Soon anything affordable is made in other countries and we pay extra to see things "made in America" because our workers expect living wages and benefits.  Cut our ties to the third world countries that make 90% of what we use everyday and our economy fails because we would have to drastically reorganize our entire economy to have workers *here* making things. 

I *would* like to see America serving *Americans*.  You know, like aid to those without insurance (50% of motorcyclists in accidents in IL don't have health insurance) or education (to get a good job, you have to have a degree in something, and college costs rise exponentially every year) support for families with low income, etc etc.  I'd like to see equal rights for *everyone* and maybe a reduction on our reliance for other countries for manufacture- bringing our *damn jobs home.*

[Aaron J Williams]

Eldar I'm with you on Ron Paul but those in power politically will never let it happen. I would have liked Fred Thompson also but he was minimalized by the media almost immediately and he got into the race too late IMHO. I just spent an hour reading Dr Paul's writings and I don't think he's the fringe whacko that the media is portraying him as. Unfortunately, most Americans believe what they watch on SeeBS evening news and never think to verify the media's claims.

[BobbyR]

Ron Paul has been marginilized unfairly in the press, but his message is leaking out. People don;t feel comfortable with change. People are generally more comfortable migrating slowly over to something new. As the population becomes more disenchanted this will speed up.

Right now the Dollar is down compared to the Euro. My neighbor is a Volvo Dealer and this is killing business. I love the guy, but when the lease is up, my wife will be driving a domestic. This is not a bad thing for the US. I know people who are not going overseas since it has become too expensive, they are vacationing home. On the other hand, overseas is coming here in record numbers for vacations and leaving heaps of Euros behind.  Canadians are gobbling up all they can get in the US for their stronger Dollar, this pulls Dollars out of Canada and hurts their domestic companies.

This is a good thing for us. American companies are getting a lot of foreign orders now which is improving their bottom line. Foreign banks are investing in US companies since it seems a bargain.

OMG foreign investment in the US! Yeah, it is a good thing, they now have a larger stake in our well being to protect their investments. China told Korea to shut up last year since we are China's  biggest customer. The US has the 3rd largest population in the World and it likes to spend, New York State has about the same population as Australia, and slightly less than Canada. They would not take up the slack if we go under.

I must take exception to one thing Raul said. India does not have very good engineers. In fact they suck and more companies are finding that out and backing away. We used them for a simple job and it was a nightmare. Europe has good engineers. The best kids from Japan and the rest of Asia come to the US or go to Europe for engineering schools.

The World is changing and it will be interesting to see how it pans out.

[Raul CB750K1]

I must take exception to one thing Raul said. India does not have very good engineers. In fact they suck and more companies are finding that out and backing away. We used them for a simple job and it was a nightmare. Europe has good engineers. The best kids from Japan and the rest of Asia come to the US or go to Europe for engineering schools.

You can have bad experiences. But the company I used to work for -formerly Siemens, now Nokia Siemens Networks merge- moved their computer programming department to India. The supervision software for most of the telecom systems was developed in India. It was pretty much stable, if you can say that on a Windows-based system. Furthermore, I have worked with indian and pakistan workers and, even if not outstanding, seemed to me at the same level than me or my other colleagues from around the World. If you add that they spend less time on the coffee break or web surfing at work hours, and they get paid less, you know what always comes next.

"Quality" seems to be something very underrated these times. Years ago, companies wanted to last and they knew that only with good quality could they build a reputation and survive. Now, companies are owned by investors and they only want to maximize the profit in the short term, and when the reputation goes out of the window, sell the shares and invest somewhere else. The only place where "reputation" is an asset is in creating a powerful logo, so you can subcontract the manufacturing to a foreign company, and sell the products with a huge margin investing almost nothing. But for creating a powerful logo you don't need quality, just a whole lotta advertising and some popular endorser.