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Charging system not working correctly.
« on: February 27, 2008, 04:57:56 PM »
I'm in need of some help to determine the cause of my battery not charging on my CB550K. I've done some preliminary testing with a multimeter and some things check out OK and others not so good. Please help! Any help would be much appreciated.
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Re: Charging system not working correctly.
« Reply #1 on: February 27, 2008, 05:51:13 PM »
How about you put up some details of what you think your problems are, i.e. is it stator, regulator,rectifier, fuses, battery related.......I can't find the needle in the haystack.........not that I ever could anyway.

what checks out ok and what does not ???

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« Reply #2 on: February 27, 2008, 06:40:15 PM »
Hello 750goes,
 Thanks for taking on this mess. I used the three phase charging system inspection and maintenance for all pre 79 sohc motorcycles for testing the field coil resistance and got about 4.9 ohms. Then I tested the stator resistance and got about .51 ohms at the leads a & b. I tested the stator leads 1&2-1.1 ohms, 1&3=1.1 ohms & 3&2=1.1 ohms. They were greater than 1 ohm which showed a possible poor connection. I checked the 5 leads on the rectifier. The forward bias test resistance was 0 ohms on all three yellow leads. Then I performed a reverse bias test on all three yellow leads and got 0 ohms on them also. I tested the regulator resistance with the battery disconnected and all wires removed and got 10.4 ohms between the I&F poles, the negative black battery wire and the black regulator lead showed aresistance of 0.7 ohms. The yellow stator leads with the rectifier disconnected showed 1.1 ohms on all three.

pisanog

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Re: Charging system not working correctly.
« Reply #3 on: February 27, 2008, 06:47:43 PM »
I initially tested the battery for charging while running at 4,000 rpm with the headlight and high beam on I got only 11.22 volts.

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Re: Charging system not working correctly.
« Reply #4 on: February 27, 2008, 07:10:35 PM »
I'm not blowing fuses of any kind. The regulator did not check out well, but I did reset the core gap and point gap and tested it running at 4,000 rpm again with no change what so ever. Would the regulator cause the field coil and stator to not produce any charge at all?

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Re: Charging system not working correctly.
« Reply #5 on: February 27, 2008, 07:19:18 PM »
To all of you SOHC members. I know you will post some questions and answeres to help me figure out this charging scenerio, but I'm afficked with a chronic pain syndrome that causes me to have to relax completely after so many hours of being on my feet, tinkering and sitting at the computer. I do not mean to be rude to anyone, I have to call it quits for tonight. Thanks to all who have or want to participate in helping me..
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Re: Charging system not working correctly.
« Reply #6 on: February 27, 2008, 07:22:19 PM »
Hopefully someone will chime in and confirm your measurements and point you in the right direction.
You are way past my ability to assist.


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Re: Charging system not working correctly.
« Reply #7 on: February 27, 2008, 08:38:38 PM »
The bias test isnt right. It ideally should be almost 0 resistence one way and infinite resistence the other way. Your test figures lead me to believe your rectifier is shorted open.
Switch your DVOM to volts ac and put it across the battery whilst it's running. Thats a quick and easy way to check your rectifier as well.

I'm throwing my hat in at a bad rectifier at this point :)

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Re: Charging system not working correctly.
« Reply #8 on: February 27, 2008, 08:53:56 PM »
insanecathode  might just be a typo.
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Your test figures lead me to believe your rectifier is shorted open
there is no posible way to have a short to open. short to ground/ short to power / or open. i think you meen "OPEN" .

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Re: Charging system not working correctly.
« Reply #9 on: February 27, 2008, 10:43:37 PM »
How old is the battery?
75 550 K1
74 750 K4
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So, the strategy is to lie to people you are asking for help?

I think I'll be busy going for a ride.

Good luck!
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Re: Charging system not working correctly.
« Reply #10 on: February 27, 2008, 10:57:09 PM »
for testing the field coil resistance and got about 4.9 ohms. Then I tested the stator resistance and got about .51 ohms at the leads a & b. I tested the stator leads 1&2-1.1 ohms, 1&3=1.1 ohms & 3&2=1.1 ohms. They were greater than 1 ohm which showed a possible poor connection. I checked the 5 leads on the rectifier. The forward bias test resistance was 0 ohms on all three yellow leads. Then I performed a reverse bias test on all three yellow leads and got 0 ohms on them also.

Your field coil checks good, as does your stator.

Haven't checked the Rectifier properly. To check your rectifier's six diodes, you have to perform 12 measurements.
Green to each yellow, both test lead polarities.  Red to each yellow, both test lead polarities.

Quick and dirty test is to measure from red to green leads.  One meter lead polarity s/b low ohms, the other lead polarity should read very high ohms.

I tested the regulator resistance with the battery disconnected and all wires removed and got 10.4 ohms between the I&F poles,

Was your regulator checked with it disconnected?  Hopefully, you left the Key switch off.

The I terminal is the Black wire.  This is power from the Key Switch.
The F terminal S/B the white wire, which is the field coil connection.  At rest, the internal contacts s/b closed, reading very nearly 0 ohm.  Seems your regulator is not fully activating the field coil. It is stuck in the state where the battery would be at peak charge voltage.  And, this makes your alternator not work very well.

the negative black battery wire and the black regulator lead showed aresistance of 0.7 ohms.

This test seems to make no sense.  The black regulator lead is supposed to be +12v from the key switch when engaged.  Further, I can't tell if all wires were connected or disconnected from the circuit in your test description.

I'm not blowing fuses of any kind. The regulator did not check out well, but I did reset the core gap and point gap and tested it running at 4,000 rpm again with no change what so ever. Would the regulator cause the field coil and stator to not produce any charge at all?
The charging circuit is not fused.  Yes the regulator can prevent the alternator from working.  The filed coil must be provided with voltage in order to create and electromagnetic field.  The presence and strength of that field, as well as RPM, determine the alternator output strength.

You can make a temporary bypass of the regulator, by jumpering the white and black wires at the regulator.  Then when you rev the engine, you should see the battery begin to charge and increase voltage.  A depleted battery will gain voltage slowly, though.

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Re: Charging system not working correctly.
« Reply #11 on: February 27, 2008, 11:32:44 PM »
insanecathode  might just be a typo.
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Your test figures lead me to believe your rectifier is shorted open
there is no posible way to have a short to open. short to ground/ short to power / or open. i think you meen "OPEN" .

Yeah, typo, my bad  :o

Also, it's 'inane' cathode not 'insane' cathode. Probably a typo too  :D :D :D :D