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Re: easy clutch
« Reply #25 on: February 29, 2008, 11:46:20 PM »

I use the clutch sometimes on the way down quickly from 5th to 2nd for braking advantage - not all the time though.

I try to minimise my left hand action, where it is not required.. :)

I'm not buying a used bike from you, that's for sure.   ;D

Yes, upshifting can be done without clutch and a flick let off on the throttle to match gear speeds. 

Down shifting is quite another matter as you have to rev the engine to match gear speeds.  This is tricky to do, and botching this places significant wear on transmission bits.

The clutch is your friend and deserves regular stroking.  ;D

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Re: easy clutch
« Reply #26 on: February 29, 2008, 11:49:57 PM »
In particular - what "red line" feature are you talking about ??, I'm not familiar with this term.....if you mean 2000 rpm and upwards to shift, or shift at RED LINE as per the tach - I don't shift at RED LINE, I shift when I am comfortable with my transition from say 2-3 or 3-4 etc- it may be any RPM from 2000 upwards...but not red line - that makes for a quick motor breakdown if you miss changes..

TT - I don't thrash my motors, and I'm confident when I downshift as well, if you know your speed and gearing its fine... and I don't really "STROKE" my clutch/es either.. Though I'm sure, some people may stroke theirs..... ;D
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Re: easy clutch
« Reply #27 on: February 29, 2008, 11:51:23 PM »
Inanae - thanks  ;D ;D

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Re: easy clutch
« Reply #28 on: March 02, 2008, 12:05:09 AM »
No i mean that red section on the tach, the one thats way up there around 10k or so. Its more of a guideline.
Its kinda like 85mph speedos, you obviously can go faster ergo the tach "says" you shouldnt go into the red zone but you totally can, at least 2k into it i'd say.

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Re: easy clutch
« Reply #29 on: March 02, 2008, 05:20:01 AM »
Also make sure the pivot bolt for the clutch hasn't been overtightened, causing it to pinch down on the lever.
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Re: easy clutch
« Reply #30 on: March 02, 2008, 10:25:03 AM »
Stock motor can easily hit 9K on a cb 750

9 K in 4th gear is about 115, shift to 5th and it probably will not go any faster..


 Gotta wonder though about (in another thread here) a revlimiter that is set at 10,500 on a built motor?.. maybe that is just for breakin? or needs a better cam..
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Re: easy clutch
« Reply #31 on: March 02, 2008, 10:48:28 AM »
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Re: easy clutch
« Reply #32 on: March 05, 2008, 06:11:29 PM »
So downshifting on long downhills to 'engine brake' isn't recommended?  I'd have thought that on these old bikes with the rear drum brake and the possibility of overheating, downshifting would be a good idea. ???
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Re: easy clutch
« Reply #33 on: March 05, 2008, 07:06:42 PM »
I know I'll get flamed for this so I'm wearing my asbestos shorts!! The clutchless shifting debate is as old as motorcycles.

With all due respect, and from a mechanics viewpoint I'll place another vote for using the clutch to shift. If I was riding someone elses bike and racing for a big trophy then its different,  If its my favorite bike the clutch always gets used, especially for downshifts. I can nudge the clutch as fast as my foot can shift, so there's no downside to it. Clutchless shifting is just lazy. I never have this argument with a mechanic, its always a customer who never looked close at a transmission.

It absolutely does round off the gear dogs faster. However, transmissions are very robust and chances are it may be a problem for one of the next owners so the abuser goes on oblivious to its effects. Besides, most bikes never see high mileage, or something else does it in. Kinda like smoking,.. there's no apparent side effects while your doing it, and most people die for other reasons anyway, but its still unhealthy.

I will acknowledge that a careful clutchless upshift with a perfectly timed throttle interuption can unload the gears and work with no consequences. This rarely happens perfectly so the gear dogs usually end up crashing into eachother to some degree. We just don't hear or feel it. Its almost never possible to downshift in a way that causes no harm, and again, its just not any faster!

Transmission wear may be a small thing and anyone can choose to do clutchless shifting if it makes riding more fun for you, but just like smoking, its not harmless, just a calculated risk. In my mind its a little unethical to sell a bike without mentioning it or ride someone elses bike that way without asking.

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Re: easy clutch
« Reply #34 on: March 05, 2008, 07:13:31 PM »
No flames here, that was well put. :)

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Re: easy clutch
« Reply #35 on: March 05, 2008, 08:29:19 PM »
I agreewith your comments, and will certainly let the next owner of my cb250n with 99,967km on it, and will inform him/her I don't use the clutch to shift "very much"...but as to the wear on the transmission I will never know as I don't plan on doing anything with it - even if it does happen to break....it will be sold as is..  caveat emptor.....   ;D

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Re: easy clutch
« Reply #36 on: March 06, 2008, 11:01:11 AM »
You can go to Dennis Kirk website and look for the Moose Easy Pull Clutch System. The Dennis Kirk part # is 57706. I have used these on some of my vintage motocross bikes to help with a heavy clutch pull and they worked great for that. I see no reason why they wouldn't work with any type of cable operated system. They are adjustable as to how much pull you want as well.

                                     
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Re: easy clutch
« Reply #37 on: March 06, 2008, 02:47:53 PM »
So downshifting on long downhills to 'engine brake' isn't recommended?  I'd have thought that on these old bikes with the rear drum brake and the possibility of overheating, downshifting would be a good idea. ???

According to the owner's manual for my CB750, it's OK to do so as long as you don't redline it.
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