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Restoration Tips and Techniques
« on: March 14, 2008, 09:51:45 AM »


       While I have never done, what I'd call an actual restoration, I have built a motorcycle from a bunch of parts and I'm wanting to hear from those who have actually restored bikes. I'd like to hear about your Tips, Techniques and Your Procedures on doing a "Jam UP Restoration". I'd like to make this a "Collection Of Info" that others (myself included) could go to for Info on the subject. ;)

       Got a couple of bikes that I hope to bring back up to standard myself, a 74' CB450K7 and a 70' SL350K0 (the SL being a more drawn out job)


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Re: Restoration Tips and Techniques
« Reply #1 on: March 14, 2008, 02:34:24 PM »
My first suggestion is to get an American Express card!  ;D

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« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2008, 02:37:09 PM »
My first suggestion is to get an American Express card!  ;D

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« Reply #3 on: March 14, 2008, 02:57:16 PM »
My first suggestion is to get an American Express card!  ;D

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Re: Restoration Tips and Techniques
« Reply #4 on: March 14, 2008, 03:16:47 PM »
My first suggestion is to get an American Express card!  ;D

Jim

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           And Bob Wessner said " ;D "

            And guys, I think I pretty much had THAT step figured out already! ::) :D Also, I would imagine that it would help to have a bike, to do that restoration on! :D ;)

                                 
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Re: Restoration Tips and Techniques
« Reply #5 on: March 14, 2008, 03:26:26 PM »
Well Bill, I guess it really depends on how much you're willing to invest in a restoration; both time and money. For instance, on my restoration I'm not going to be replacing some of the chrome bits to save a bit of money, but may replace them later if better ones come along. Some of the restorations I've seen in magazines and on this forum are complete down to the nuts a bolts in either replacing parts or in the case of chrome bits, rechroming. If you've got the cash and want the bike restored to the way it was when it left the showroom than that's the way to go. If you're like me and want the bike to be mechanically sound and look very close to new than you'll save a bit of cash and still have a nice restoration. Just not a restoration in the eyes of purists.

That's probably my first tip, have a picture in your head of what you want when you are done and use that as a guide through the restoration.

Take inventory of what you have to work with and start generating a list of parts you need. Then start sourcing those parts out.

I basically striped my bike down to the frame and started from there. It speeds things up though to have the new parts handy when rebuilding frame up so start gathering parts early.

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Re: Restoration Tips and Techniques
« Reply #6 on: March 14, 2008, 03:35:04 PM »
Buy the best project to start with you possibly can....

Certain projects are exhaust pipe critical ....E.I cb350F's

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Re: Restoration Tips and Techniques
« Reply #7 on: March 14, 2008, 04:35:50 PM »
Buy the best project to start with you possibly can....

I agree. Get a bike that is complete and put together. Buy a bike in boxes and you can pretty well guarantee that something critical will be missing, and that you'll find out after doing a big parts order. A complete bike means that you can photo the strip down process to assist you when it's time to put it back together.

Be aware that even a simple restoration is probably going to cost as much, if not more, than a 'done' bike would.
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Re: Restoration Tips and Techniques
« Reply #8 on: March 14, 2008, 05:24:09 PM »
Buy the best project to start with you possibly can....

I agree. Get a bike that is complete and put together. Buy a bike in boxes and you can pretty well guarantee that something critical will be missing, and that you'll find out after doing a big parts order. A complete bike means that you can photo the strip down process to assist you when it's time to put it back together.

Be aware that even a simple restoration is probably going to cost as much, if not more, than a 'done' bike would.

          Yeah, I can see that a "Box Job" could be costly. However, I DID pickup an SL350K0 in that form (along with an SL350K1 and AN SL350K2 and they weren't in the best of shape, but the price was right though) and I don't expect to put that one in prime shape, but I believe I can do a decent job on it. The main things that is missing are rear rim and the air cleaner side covers, that I know of. And those side covers are probably pretty costly Honda only used that design on the K0.

                                       

             
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Re: Restoration Tips and Techniques
« Reply #9 on: March 14, 2008, 09:33:46 PM »
You and the damn SL's....... ;D

I'll pry one loose from you yet.....

Sure you don't want that low milage goldwing with the extra exhaust?

(its your own fault bill you brought it up)  ;)


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« Reply #10 on: March 14, 2008, 09:36:48 PM »
You and the damn SL's....... ;D

I'll pry one loose from you yet.....

Sure you don't want that low milage goldwing with the extra exhaust?

(its your own fault bill you brought it up)  ;)





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Re: Restoration Tips and Techniques
« Reply #11 on: March 14, 2008, 09:37:09 PM »


Sure you don't want that low milage goldwing with the extra exhaust?






i do  ;D
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« Reply #12 on: March 14, 2008, 09:38:30 PM »
Your welcome any time....


Don't have an SL do ya?  ;D
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« Reply #13 on: March 14, 2008, 09:43:05 PM »
Your welcome any time....


Don't have an SL do ya?  ;D

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« Reply #14 on: March 14, 2008, 09:44:38 PM »
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« Reply #15 on: March 14, 2008, 09:59:41 PM »


           I'm gonna have to continue this tomorrow, I'm falling asleep here. ::) ;D Catch you later on Tim.

                                  Take care, Bill :) ;)
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« Reply #16 on: March 15, 2008, 06:13:31 AM »
1) Know your strengths and weaknesses before you start and where to find help when (not if) you need it and what it will cost.  2) Don't get starry eyed with dreams of perfection without realizing the effort and expense needed to get there (creates basket cases). 3) Research the model throughly, buy service and parts manuals, and know parts availability and what interchanges from other models. Honda used  the same part on many different models and the price can vary greatly. 4) Start with a simple model with good parts availablity. Tin frames (S65s or 90s, 160s) are readily available with good parts availability and fun to ride. Don't start with a CBX as a first project. 5) MEASURE THE COST OF RESTORATON COMPARED TO THE COST OF BUYING A RESTORED ONE.
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« Reply #17 on: March 15, 2008, 04:05:44 PM »
  Take 2 or 3 same year bikes, take them completely apart, clean every single part, use the best parts on the 1st, 2nd best on 2nd, etc, zinc-plate all the hardware, refinish the aluminum, don't spend money on repainting (buy orig paint bodywork), get a parts manual, keep the bike original, new spokes make the difference, as do nice gauges, paint and seat, so blow some money on those items, motor rebuilding very expensive if you farm it out, do it in order and as quickly as possible (once they go on back-burner, they lose the required obsessive momentum.
  That usually works.

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« Reply #18 on: March 16, 2008, 07:05:00 PM »


        There's some pretty good info popping up in this one. ;) But, I'm wondering if that's all we've got? I was kinda hoping for some input on  painting, polishing and such. Ways that some might have achieved a different ways to get a factory looking paint job on a motor and things like that. 

         Not that I'm knocking ANY of the input that's been posted, cause I'M NOT! I am very appreciative of what's been posted already. 8) ;)

                                        Later on, Bill :) ;)     
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« Reply #19 on: March 16, 2008, 08:30:13 PM »
I was going to replace all the nuts, bolts and screws to factory fresh - WRONG! Way too expensive. I had them cad plated then oh so carefully wire brushed them on a wire wheel. They turned out very close to original at much less money.
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« Reply #20 on: March 18, 2008, 04:18:44 PM »
I was going to replace all the nuts, bolts and screws to factory fresh - WRONG! Way too expensive. I had them cad plated then oh so carefully wire brushed them on a wire wheel. They turned out very close to original at much less money.
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           I can understand that, I'm all for cutting cost anywhere I can, but not cutting on the looks or quality. A while back I posted pictures of 2 SL350K0s ( one blue and one red) and got some comments on different aspects of both. Both were listed on ebay, the red one was first and had twenty - thirty photos on that listing and I loaded every one of them on Flickr, for future use when I manage to get started restoring that one. Those pictures are very well done and show alot of the different details of that bike.

           Here are just a few shots of THAT one: (this isn't mine, just a guide fr when I start on mine) Not sure what color I'll make mine, they came in red, blue or gold. Don't think I've ever seen a gold SL350K0. Hmmmm! ;D I kinda like the red and the blue though. ::)
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« Reply #21 on: March 18, 2008, 06:10:11 PM »
Wheres mine Bill?  ::) ;D
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« Reply #22 on: March 18, 2008, 06:49:14 PM »
Wheres mine Bill?  ::) ;D

             Oh, um :-\.............I'm..............uh taking care of it for you, yeah THAT'S IT. ;D I'm taking CARE of it for YOU! ;) Aren't I a Nice guy Tim? ;D ::) ;) And I'm not charging anything at all to keep it here, build it up (eventually) and ride it for you! And ALL for absolutely nothing! ;)
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« Reply #23 on: March 18, 2008, 06:51:27 PM »


         

               Tim, I should have known better to have mentioned the XX350XX, much less posted pictures of one! ::) :D


                                   Take care Tim, Bill ;)
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« Reply #24 on: March 18, 2008, 08:18:02 PM »


         

               Tim, I should have known better to have mentioned the XX350XX, much less posted pictures of one! ::) :D


                                   Take care Tim, Bill ;)


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« Reply #25 on: March 19, 2008, 11:51:27 AM »
I like to get the bike completely mechanically sound, running, and road worthy before I tear down for cosmetic work. That way you are much less inclidned to scab up the bike fixing mechanical when it's all nice and painted.

For me it's not about a 100 point concours resto. It's about either evaluating if it can be brought back to life with minimal repaint such as my recent commando. Kept the tank and side covers original even with a few blemishes and repainted frame and polished alloy.


Just polishing and keeping fresh like my K6. Just keeping it clean and running great, even with patina on the plating etc.


Keeping it completely original with all it's fine patina and blemishes but mechanically perfect like my Trophy, right down to everything except tires and air filters. And they are as original as can be.


A frame up job like my Dream including exhaust, paint, seat, and tires as close to the original white walls I could get.


Or mostly original with sensible updates like the Lemans, departure from stock would be all SS allen hardware, SS brake lines.


Then there is the K8, Not original really in any way but tastefully done so as to fully reflect the original bike, just happens to have a side car on it. Most people cant tell it from stock. Paint and pipes and seat are the only real departures. I didn't want to spend the bucks on pipes and worry about decals etc.


So you really need to understand exactly what you want to do, what you have, what it's worth, and what you are going to do with it. I ride all my bikes. I make sure I switch all brakes over to dot 5 to keep them maintenance free, make sure they have AGM batteries in them, I keep a special mix of fuel in them (premium gas, stabil, lead additive, and 70:1 two stroke oil mix) that keeps tanks from rusting and everything fresh. I always drain carbs if I'm not going to ride the bike again in 4 or more weeks, that way I don't have gummed up carbs, ever.

Soda blasting is your friend on cleaning parts without eating them up much. Good old duplicolor engine paint looks real good, close to original, is cheap, and goes on easy. I tend to use Acrylic Enamel with hardner to paint body parts. It's tough, easy to apply, cheap (I get it over the internet). I shoot all my own work, you can easily teach yourself (I did). Lots of info on body shop sites. Spray guns are cheap. My old CH gun must be 30 years old but still does the job and was only like $20 back then. Prep and clean air are the secrets. Sometimes I paint frames with a rattle can (Norton, K8) as that more closely matches the original (not too much gloss). Sometimes I just want a nice shiney bike so I shoot the whole thing with enamel (Dream, LeMans). Some good polishing wheels and compound are good to have as well. Most original bikes did not come with mirror finishes but a nice satin finish to the AL. That is easy to reproduce with a wheel. Some guys get carried away with polishing. Unless you clear it it won't last anyhow. And if you do clear it, you will end up stripping it and redoing it before long as clear just does not last. Didn't when the bikes were stock and has not improved any since it seems.

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Re: Restoration Tips and Techniques
« Reply #26 on: March 19, 2008, 02:57:22 PM »


         Irutt,   That IS some fine collection you have there. While they ALL are fine looking specimens, that Norton Commando sure caught my attention. 8) ;)

         Of three bikes in my collection of "Project Bikes"

 1. The 74' CB450 - Close Restoration 
 2. The 69' SL350K0 - Close Restoration
 3. The 63' Cb77 Super Hawk - Fixed up with the basic look, but with   
     some mods

     I've got others, but didn't want to load you all up with all that.           
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« Reply #27 on: March 19, 2008, 05:22:46 PM »
Duplicolor 500 degree silver is a very good match. Looks better after some heating cycles. Spent several hours cleaning every last crack with Prepsall and a toothbrush. With careful masking, it came out very nice. The dipstick has since been replaced
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« Reply #28 on: March 21, 2008, 10:15:47 AM »
Duplicolor 500 degree silver is a very good match. Looks better after some heating cycles. Spent several hours cleaning every last crack with Prepsall and a toothbrush. With careful masking, it came out very nice. The dipstick has since been replaced

        Nice job on THAT one! A lot of heavy polishing looks good and all, but I would think that the approach you went for on that bike, is more of a "Restored Look"! Very nice work indeed. Thanks for posting! ;)

                                   Later on, Bill :) ;)
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Offline grumburg

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Re: Restoration Tips and Techniques
« Reply #29 on: March 22, 2008, 05:39:53 AM »
It looks less "restored " than the pictures show. It is also easier to clean .
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Re: Restoration Tips and Techniques
« Reply #30 on: March 22, 2008, 06:57:02 AM »
At risk of being repetitive I don't think it can be stressed enough the importance of getting appropriate shop manuals for the bike being worked on. I try and source as many different manuals as possible since each may have a different viewpoint on performing a particular procedure. Also being a member of the owners club really helps (thanks one and all!). I'm getting the Commando back together so I can tuck it in the corner of the garage, and finding it to be quite straight forward since I have access to over 30 years worth of tips from  people who have gone down the same road.
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Re: Restoration Tips and Techniques
« Reply #31 on: March 31, 2008, 05:59:00 PM »


        I want to thank everyone for their input on this. I've got the SL350K0 that I'd like to do a restore on, but it will be drawn out, as things like the rear rim and side covers are missing. Not sure just what else is missing until I can do a complete check. Never done an actual "Restore" before. I did build a 58' Jawa 125cc bike out of parts years ago, but there wasn't a bunch of spit and polish like I've seen here. At any rate, if anyone else happens to think of something that has been overlooked, sure appreciate it, if you'd throw it in the mix! :D

                                     Later on, Bill :) ;)
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PRAYERS ALWAYS FOR: Bre, Jeff & Virginia, Bear, Trevor & Brianna ( Close Friend's Daughter)
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Re: Restoration Tips and Techniques
« Reply #32 on: March 31, 2008, 09:29:39 PM »
Bill,

There are a few things that you can't reasonable expect to do yourself including chrome and zinc plating. If you intend to do these things, start shopping around as the prices vary widely (probably the quality too!). Orlando obviously caters to the mouse crowd who don't require services like these. I would have probably been better off packing everything up and sending it to a more reasonable priced non-local place. Having said that, I am pleased by the quality so........  ::)

I also used a professional painter as my painting skills stop with a rattle can. Labor is where you will save bucks. Do as much as you can yourself. At least if you screw up, you'll know how to do it the second time!  ;D

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