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nollid51

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1976 CB550F rebuild
« on: March 18, 2008, 10:24:47 AM »
First of I'm new here and I'm also new to motorcycles. I don't know much at all about the way  motorcycles operate, although I can use tools and I am willing to learn. Anyway i bought my bike this weekend, and it basically a complete overall from what I know from reading the shop manual and what the seller told me. The seller told me the only problem with the bike was the stator coil/ac generator, but I haven't been able to remove the plate because of the screws being frozen in place. I tried using some lubricant I had laying around but I still cant get it open. What would you guys recommend for removing frozen screws? Other than that, the only things I have done so far are what I know: i replaced the spark plugs (NGK D7EA) and filled the bike with oil (10W40). (The bike had its fluids drained in storage.) I'm not sure what else I will have to do. The old plugs were pretty dirty, hopefully thats just with age. Reading a bit on the forums and the internet has made me wonder if the carbs aren't adjusted properly. I'm going to clean the gas tank out today (have the week off for spring break). It only had some minor rust. I'll post pics later when my batteries charge on my camera. In addition to my other questions above, I'm just looking for some general tips for the complete newbie and suggestions on what to start on first. Hopefully I'll have this machine running by summer! Anyways, I'll update very often and I hope to learn a lot from and contribute to the forums! 

Thanks,
Joe

Offline lone*X

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Re: 1976 CB550F rebuild
« Reply #1 on: March 18, 2008, 10:58:04 AM »
Nollid51,  If you have one, try using an impact driver on the stubborn screws.  This is the hammer powered version, not an air tool.  The impact breaks the bond between the screw and the threads and imparts a twisting motion to back the screw out at the same time.  Use with a good machinists hammer and they normally work well.
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Re: 1976 CB550F rebuild
« Reply #2 on: March 18, 2008, 11:05:34 AM »
What would you guys recommend for removing frozen screws?

Get an impact screwdriver.
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=37530

But, before you do that, test the thing while on the bike.  Don't remove it unless it tests bad.  Measure, the resistance of the field coil S/B 4.9 ohms.  Thats the white and green wires going to the alternator from the Vreg.
The alternator coils don't go bad very often.  The stator is even more rare going bad.  Those yellow leads should measure 0.35 ohms, and is hard to measure without decent test equipment.
You should probably look at the electric FAQ for other charging system tests.  Does the Vreg and the rectifier work properly?

Other than that, the only things I have done so far are what I know: i replaced the spark plugs (NGK D7EA) and filled the bike with oil (10W40).
If the oil you used was labeled as "energy conserving" or has moly in it.  Drain it back out before running the engine.  Unless, you like to have a slipping clutch.

I'm not sure what else I will have to do. .... In addition to my other questions above, I'm just looking for some general tips for the complete newbie and suggestions on what to start on first.

Did you get an owners manual or a shop manual?  I'd expect to do all the standard tune up items, in addition to whats listed below.

How long was it sitting?

Were the carbs drained?  Have you opened the carb bowl drain plugs yet?  What came out?  Any bits larger than 0.16 in diameter will clog slow jets.
Have you changed the brake fluid?
New battery?
Cleaned/polished the fuse clip contacts?
Grease the swing arm?
Change the fork fluid?
Lubed the control cables?
Air filter replaced?
engine breather filter cleaned?
Chain lubed?

Cheers,
Lloyd... (SOHC4 #11 Original Mail List)
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nollid51

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Re: 1976 CB550F rebuild
« Reply #3 on: March 18, 2008, 11:18:34 AM »
@lone*x and TwoTired thanks i'll have to order that impact driver from harbor freight.

@twotired, im not trying to remove the stator,i'm trying to remove the cover to test it. i have  new battery and im pretty sure the fuses are going to need replacing. You seem to suggest removing the carbs should be the first thing I should do. How big of a job is this? Also, how can I test the rectifier and voltage regulator?

nollid51

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Re: 1976 CB550F rebuild
« Reply #4 on: March 18, 2008, 11:38:37 AM »
I started a blog on blogger for my pics.

link to blog: http://1976cb550.blogspot.com/

but i'll link the pics over here too.

some new plugs

Not sure which order the fuses go in, but they need to be replaced anyway because they arent the correct amperage.

Just a pic of the bike on the night i bought it.

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Re: 1976 CB550F rebuild
« Reply #5 on: March 18, 2008, 12:22:27 PM »
@twotired, im not trying to remove the stator,i'm trying to remove the cover to test it.
You don't have to access the actual alternator for testing. Only replacement.  All the wires from it/to it, go to that electrical panel under the left side cover.  Look for yellows from the stator going to the Rectifier. The white and green Field wires attach to the Vreg.

i have  new battery and im pretty sure the fuses are going to need replacing.
Look closley at the fuse block base plastic.  The fuse amperage is raised lettering molded into it.  DO use the correct fuse rating and the proper length  (1 inch).  If they are the wrong ones, then possibly there has been some fuse clip heating that the PO didn't understand and used larger fuses to compensate. This is why I told you to clean and polish the fuse clip contacts.  There have been lots of posts about this in the tech Forum.

You seem to suggest removing the carbs should be the first thing I should do. How big of a job is this?
No.  I asked how long the bike had been sitting, so I can access the neccessity.  And, to remove the carb bowl drain screws to examine the drainage from each carb.  If all is clean, why remove them?  Most newbie's (and some veterans) curse the day (and all manner of objects) when they remove the carbs from the 550's.  It's not difficult once you know what to do. It is tedious, and a bit of a wrestle.  I avoid it unless, there's no other way, because it puts the old rubber couplers at risk. I suggest you determine if it is necessary before the attempt.  If necessary, I can find the last post I where I explained the removal/install sequence.

Also, how can I test the rectifier and voltage regulator?

There is quite a bit of information in the electrics FAQ http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=1012.0  And, there have been quite a lot of posts on the subject as well.  Perhaps a search would help your understanding?

If you have a multimeter, the first thing would be the measure the Vreg between the black and white terminals (disconnected).  Should be close to zero ohms.

The rectifier can be tested by measuring across the red and green connections (disconnected).  One meter lead polarity should read near infinity ohms.  And, the other meter lead polarity should read very low ohms.  (assuming your meter provides more than 0.7 V during the test).  This will tell you if any diodes are shorted.  You can test each of the six diodes for open, by measuring green to each yellow (both polarities) and then red to each yellow, (boh polarities).  Again, one meter lead polarity should read near infinity ohms.  And, the other meter lead polarity should read very low ohms.

Cheers,
« Last Edit: March 18, 2008, 02:42:04 PM by TwoTired »
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Re: 1976 CB550F rebuild
« Reply #6 on: March 18, 2008, 01:34:18 PM »
Most newbie's (and some veterans) curse the day (and all manner of objects) when they remove the carbs from the 550's.  It's not difficult once you know what to do. It is tedious, and a bit of a wrestle. 


Newbie here, pulled the carbs Sunday on my 77 550.  I did curse the day, the carbs, the bike, the PO...



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Re: 1976 CB550F rebuild
« Reply #7 on: March 18, 2008, 02:48:58 PM »
Most newbie's (and some veterans) curse the day (and all manner of objects) when they remove the carbs from the 550's.  It's not difficult once you know what to do. It is tedious, and a bit of a wrestle. 

Newbie here, pulled the carbs Sunday on my 77 550.  I did curse the day, the carbs, the bike, the PO...


Hopefully, we're all laughing WITH you.   ;D
Lloyd... (SOHC4 #11 Original Mail List)
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Re: 1976 CB550F rebuild
« Reply #8 on: March 18, 2008, 04:51:57 PM »

Hopefully, we're all laughing WITH you.   ;D
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I hope so  :p

It made it easier to have a helper.  My buddy did the gentle tugging and wiggling on the carbs while I moved things out of the way as he pulled them out.