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Offline gasketdave

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Sorry, another jet question
« on: February 11, 2008, 05:18:46 AM »
I have a 1974 750 with a stock motor and dyna ignition system, K & N pods. The bike had a kerker 4 into 1 header with a small baffle. I changed it to a large 2.5" ID competition baffle and went up on the pilot jets from a 40 to 42. The bike idles great. Mains went up to 115, but the bike is lean under any kind of hard acceleration.Falls on its face, but picks up if you let off on the throttle a bike. Does anyone know or have this set up and can recommend a main jet size or 2 that will get me in the ball park.
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Re: Sorry, another jet question
« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2008, 07:31:06 AM »
...yeah, 115 sound lean  with pods...I'd guess u'll need 120-130...I'd start with 125's and go from there...
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Re: Sorry, another jet question
« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2008, 07:38:00 AM »
There are two ways to tell whether the jet is correct. A dyno and exhaust gas analyzer is the best - and also quite expensive as jetting changes take time and you pay for the time you tie up the dyno. Doing plug chops is less exact but quite effective (and free unless you get speeding tickets). Do one full throttle check on all four plugs to make sure you aren't so lean that melting a piston is likely, then work on the cylinder with easiest access to the bowl screws. Get the main jet correct for a tan plug after 30 seconds or so WOT in top gear above 4-5000 RPM: doing the one carb saves the time of removing the carb bank for jet changes if you can get the bowl off and change the main with the carbs installed. Next install all 4 mains... you'll get good at pulling and replacing the carb stack soon. Check WOT on all four, just to confirm the jet choice. Next do 3/4 throttle and 1/2 throttle and 1/4 throttle chops, record the plug colour. If they are all rich, raise the needle clips one groove (or shim if there aren't grooves). If all lean, drop the clips (SOL with single grooves). If the chops get richer towards 1/4 throttle, use a smaller pilot jat and check again.
Idle is not completely a pilot jet issue - you can get a good idle within quite a wide pilot jet range using the idle air/Fuel screw.
It may seem strange, but with K&N pods and a free flowing exhaust, a one size smaller than stock pilot jet is usually needed.

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Re: Sorry, another jet question
« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2008, 07:52:05 AM »
Thanks for the help. Its so lean now I can't get 3/4 or full throttle to do a plug chop. I'll go with a set of 125 & 130 and see if that gets close enough to do a plug chop.

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Re: Sorry, another jet question
« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2008, 09:12:16 AM »
  If you're running too lean at 1/2 throttle you will want to raise your needles, not change your mains. You may end up changing your mains after doing some plug chops. I would do a plug chop at just the point that it falls flat to make sure you aren't in fact running too rich.
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Re: Sorry, another jet question
« Reply #5 on: March 24, 2008, 01:16:01 PM »
my 750k7 is now one bit closer to perfection, I'm at sea level and the stock exhaust has alot of baffling rusted out, it also has a K&N air filter, the stock 115 were just causing it too run to lean, I always had to have the choke out untill it was 100% warm, well I raised the needles 2 slots in installed 120 mains, what an improvment, it has tons of power now over 6000 RPM and runs betters throughout

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Re: Sorry, another jet question
« Reply #6 on: March 24, 2008, 01:57:43 PM »
I'm at 125's with pods and stock 4 into 4 slightly opened up.
Needle raised one from middle.
Seems (or seemed, before I broke the bike) pretty right on.
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