Author Topic: Early K0 K1 Sidestand Question (Read 4370 times)

phactory · « **on:** April 02, 2008, 11:50:58 AM »

I recently picked up this NOS sidestand on eBay. The PN # is 50300-300-000 and is listed for K0's, and K1's. I am sure that the sidestand on my bike is original but it doesn't have the tang like this one does. What is the story with this sidestand? I imagine that the tang makes it much easier to pull the sidestand down, but I am wondering if there is a reason why they are not more prevalent.

Any and all information greatly appreciated.

Thanks, Phil

1971 CB750 Four K1 Candy Gold

dusterdude · « **Reply #1 on:** April 02, 2008, 12:11:12 PM »

can tell you mine doesnt have it,bear in mind my bike is a late k1.

phactory · « **Reply #2 on:** April 02, 2008, 12:15:04 PM »

Dusterdude,

My K1 doesn't have it either and it was built in 7/71. But the Factory Parts manual does list it as a correct part for the bike.

Thanks, Phil

dusterdude · « **Reply #3 on:** April 02, 2008, 01:07:37 PM »

didnt know that,glad mine doesnt have it,its about butt ugly.

phactory · « **Reply #4 on:** April 10, 2008, 08:26:16 AM »

So no one on this board knows anything about the history of this sidestand?? Was really hoping one of the Guru's would chime in.

TIA, Phil

Johnie · « **Reply #5 on:** April 10, 2008, 09:43:28 AM »

I agree...the only thing that tang does is make it easier to get the stand down. It also is good for smacking your ankle bone on...OUCH!!! And yes, it is an ugly stand. But all that aside, it was Honda's idea and hoped to make it easier to get that little stand down. On my KO built in 1/70 there is just a little nubber out there to catch with your heel. But that is all I need and would not want that big tang out there. My KO parts book does not list that stand with the tang.

754 · « **Reply #6 on:** April 10, 2008, 09:51:27 AM »

To me it just looks added on.

phactory · « **Reply #7 on:** April 10, 2008, 09:56:26 AM »

Here is the page that lists the stand. They do not show a picture of it, but the PN# is there. It is PN# 50300-300-000 It is #5 and is the second PN# listed. It lists it for K0's and K1's. I got it last night and it is absolutely a factory piece. It was not added on by some industrious owner, as I have seen more than one.

Phil

Quote from: Johnie on April 10, 2008, 09:43:28 AM

My KO parts book does not list that stand with the tang.

Johnie · « **Reply #8 on:** April 10, 2008, 11:09:43 AM »

I wonder why they did not put in a picture? I guess Honda did not want anyone to see it

I have not seen it on many bikes at the vintage shows. I don't know if that is because of the looks of it or what.

phactory · « **Reply #9 on:** April 10, 2008, 11:12:10 AM »

So does that mean that you have seen it on some bikes? Maybe it was an accessory. Did Honda produce a book of original factory equipment for the bike when it was brand new? When I get my bike all back together I am going to give it a try. I am used to having something like that on there, from years of riding BMW's.

Phil

Quote from: Johnie on April 10, 2008, 11:09:43 AM

I wonder why they did not put in a picture? I guess Honda did not want anyone to see it I have not seen it on many bikes at the vintage shows. I don't know if that is because of the looks of it or what.

Jinxracing · « **Reply #10 on:** April 10, 2008, 11:30:19 AM »

My early K1 (8/70) doesn't have the tang either.

A later redesigner perhaps? Maybe a foreign-market piece?

I'd guess that a N.O.S. piece wouldn't have the tang?

phactory · « **Reply #11 on:** April 10, 2008, 12:55:57 PM »

Jinx,

Two good guesses. BTW, the sidestand in the picture is an NOS piece.

Phil

Quote from: Jinxracing on April 10, 2008, 11:30:19 AM

My early K1 (8/70) doesn't have the tang either.

A later redesign perhaps? Maybe a foreign-market piece?

I'd guess that a N.O.S. piece wouldn't have the tang?

754 · « **Reply #12 on:** April 10, 2008, 10:22:24 PM »

Try looking at something like a 500 Twin.

I think you are correct that it is NOS, but was it in a bag?

If the seller asked, someone may have said CB 750, cuz the stand itself is identical.

Bikebuff · « **Reply #13 on:** April 11, 2008, 04:59:53 AM »

My '70 K0 (produced November 1969) does not have the tang on it either. Just to make the waters murkier...

Terry in Australia · « **Reply #14 on:** April 11, 2008, 05:14:38 AM »

Is the sidestand actually marked with that part number? (being in a plastic bag marked with the part number doesn't count)

You see Honda used that basic side stand design for just about every bike they made during that era (I've got two side stands that are identical to my CB750 K0 stand in a box, I bought them from a wrecking yard and one was marked CB175 and the other CB250.

Like Frank said, I'm guessing it's not actually a CB750 item, I've never seen one on any 750 I've looked at, and I reckon that over the last 39 years I've looked at hundreds! (much to my wife's disgust..............) Cheers, Terry.

phactory · « **Reply #15 on:** April 11, 2008, 09:01:47 AM »

The stand I got was NOT in a bag with a part number, but I did see another one that was in a bag with piece of paper with that PN#.

It is the same exact length and angle as my existing stand. How many parts actually have the PN# stamped on them? Very few I would imagine. At least I know that is the case with BMW parts. If they do have a number stamped on it, it is usually a far smaller subset of the real PN#, but I digress.

I find the tang to be very similar to the extra bracing on the left side of the centerstand.

I guess the proof will be in the pudding. If I fit it on the bike and if it fits the contours of the exhaust correctly then that will be an interesting test.

So did Honda produce a book of accessory items for the early K0's?

Cheers, Phil

Quote from: Terry in Australia on April 11, 2008, 05:14:38 AM

Is the sidestand actually marked with that part number? (being in a plastic bag marked with the part number doesn't count)

You see Honda used that basic side stand design for just about every bike they made during that era (I've got two side stands that are identical to my CB750 K0 stand in a box, I bought them from a wrecking yard and one was marked CB175 and the other CB250.

Like Frank said, I'm guessing it's not actually a CB750 item, I've never seen one on any 750 I've looked at, and I reckon that over the last 39 years I've looked at hundreds! (much to my wife's disgust..............) Cheers, Terry.

ken736cc · « **Reply #16 on:** April 11, 2008, 09:13:56 AM »

I saw a stand like that on a K0 Japanese home market model. The bike also had non-folding driver footpegs.

754 · « **Reply #17 on:** April 11, 2008, 09:20:23 AM »

Early centerstands did not have the brace on it.

Exhaust for say Europe on early 750,s have a different part # than the US ones, so this stand would have to have a seperate part number as it is a change. I will check my 71 partsbook, and try to look at a few others if I have time.

6adan · « **Reply #18 on:** April 11, 2008, 02:05:09 PM »

It is for a JDM bike. The one on my 70 JDM that I bought new in Japan has that stand and as ken736 said they also had non folding pegs. Much easier to get stand up and down.Dannie

phactory · « **Reply #19 on:** April 11, 2008, 04:34:49 PM »

JDM = Japanese Domestic Market?

I wonder why it was on the home market version and not the one for export (at least to the States)?

Thanks, Phil

Quote from: 6adan on April 11, 2008, 02:05:09 PM

It is for a JDM bike. The one on my 70 JDM that I bought new in Japan has that stand and as ken736 said they also had non folding pegs. Much easier to get stand up and down.Dannie

754 · « **Reply #20 on:** April 11, 2008, 07:29:27 PM »

Sidestand for K0 & K1 for Europe and N Amercan market, is NOT a 300 number.

Terry in Australia · « **Reply #21 on:** April 12, 2008, 05:10:53 AM »

SteveK0's got a JDM K0, he's had it since 1972 I think. I must see what he's got on his.

steveko · « **Reply #22 on:** April 12, 2008, 09:26:37 PM »

Terry said it my 69 JDM K0 has one of these stands If you don't want it I'll have it as my one it a bit rough.
Steve

steveko · « **Reply #23 on:** April 12, 2008, 09:30:08 PM »

Just realised if you look at my picture (taken in 1972) it can be seen

Terry in Australia · « **Reply #24 on:** April 13, 2008, 04:45:26 AM »

I wonder if it was an "aid" for Japanese folk with short legs?

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