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Chain adjuster marks
« on: April 08, 2008, 12:35:35 AM »
When I have the marks on my chain adjusters set the same on each side, the wheel looks off centre. It is closer to the swing arm on the right side. I adjusted the wheel alignment by eye so it was centred in the swing arm and it appears to track okay. The sides are off by 1 1/2 "marks" Any thought on this. 1981 CB650

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Re: Chain adjuster marks
« Reply #1 on: April 08, 2008, 12:49:19 AM »
there are too many variables such as wear in the swingarm pivot, straightness of the frame and motor mounts. i've seen many brand new out of the crate motorcycles when i worked at a bmw/triumph/victory dealer that wouldnt line up when aligning the marks. always line up the rear wheel by eyeballing it. when i was at AMI the instructor wanted to fail me on that section in the main shop as i didnt have the marks lined up properly until i showed him that the chain/sprockets were perfectly in line and that it would have been way off if i had indeed used the marks. so no worries, just align it by sight and forget the marks are there.

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Re: Chain adjuster marks
« Reply #2 on: April 08, 2008, 01:11:59 AM »
Better still use a long straight edge to the front wheel - flat bar aluminium works well but you can also do it with a long piece of string - thread it through the front wheel in front of the hub and then back either side to the rear wheel. hold or fix it at the same point and adjust the rear wheel so it sits between the string evenly. Works miles better than the adjustment marks which are usually out from the get go.

Of course if you have loadsa money you can treat yourself to a laser alignment tool - between £50 and £400 GBP on this side of the pond depending on which sort you go for...
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Re: Chain adjuster marks
« Reply #3 on: April 08, 2008, 01:18:35 AM »
I trust my sight, but I trust the alignment marks too. What I don't trust is the distance between wheel and swingarm. Bikes are not perfectly simmetrical. Sometimes swingarms have different offset from one side to the other. The wheel must be aligned with the bike axis, not with the swingarm axis -being this the line that crosses the halfpoint between wheel mounts and axle mounts, if you know what I mean.

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Re: Chain adjuster marks
« Reply #4 on: April 08, 2008, 03:25:33 AM »
I've been advised on this site not to trust the marks.

I've recently straightened my frame, so hopefully the straightedge method will work, measuring from swingarm pivot to axle on each side.
If I'm successful in getting the wheel straight, then perhaps I can go back and re-orient the adjuster marks or at least permanently mark usable pairs based on this process

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Re: Chain adjuster marks
« Reply #5 on: April 08, 2008, 03:39:47 AM »
I don't trust those marks either.  I have always aligned the rear wheel by measuring from the center (centre) of the rim to the swing arm.  Reading some of these posts sounds like that technique is suspect too!  Guess I've been lucky.

What if I were to get two aluminum (aluminium) yard (meter) sticks and used bungee cord through the spokes to clamp them to either side of the rear tire (tyre).  The sticks should now be parallel and offer a much longer reference for visual alignment.  Does that sound like a workable technique?
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Re: Chain adjuster marks
« Reply #6 on: April 08, 2008, 04:04:34 AM »
I don't think it takes that much effort. I just go with alignment marks and visually check from behind. That's good enough for me.

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Re: Chain adjuster marks
« Reply #7 on: April 08, 2008, 04:33:45 AM »
What if I were to get two aluminum (aluminium) yard (meter) sticks and used bungee cord through the spokes to clamp them to either side of the rear tire (tyre).  The sticks should now be parallel and offer a much longer reference for visual alignment.  Does that sound like a workable technique?
That's exactly the way to do it accurately. Sure you can do it by eye and it'll be near as damn it but if you want to be perfect, you need a straight edge. There's a company over here who sell 5 foot long aluminium flat bars for silly money as "Wheel alignment tools" - the same bar is about £5 at the local hardware store! ;D

I guess I'm also looking at this thread from a tarck rather than road riding perspective. On the track, eye alignment just isn't good enough...
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Re: Chain adjuster marks
« Reply #8 on: April 08, 2008, 06:04:06 AM »
In my experience, the alignment marks on the rear swingarm are not particularly accurate.   I found that after performing a careful front to back alignment on my 78 750K that the marks were off by couple of increments.  Using the marks and eyeballing might get you close but if you want to optimize handling then its probably worth doing a proper alignment.
How did I do the front to back alignment? Straight edges would work fine but sourcing the the materials ( I have read some recommend long flourescent light tubes which are perfectly straight and perfectly fragile!) and setting up is probably easier with good old string lines and the results are as good if not better. Dental floss works well! Basically you bring the string tightly around the front and rear tires (about 1/3 of the way up) forming a complete band.  Bike is on a lift or on its center stand and the wheels must be stopped from rotating.  Cut a pencil or something similar (light weight) to the exact width of the rear tire and install it between the taught strings up close to the front wheel.  Tension will hold it.  Get the front wheel pointing as close to straight ahead as you can and fine tune by getting the distance between its rear sidewall and the string the same on both sides.  Now look at the gaps between the string and the rear wheel's leading side wall.  Unless you are right on, one side will be touching and the other will be gapped.  Adjust the rear wheel until there is no gap on both sides (your carefully cut pencil is holding the strings apart at the exact width or the rear tire so when the front and back is aligned there will be no gap)  Now if your rear alignment was off a good bit initially you might have to tweek the front wheel centering a time or two as you get things closer and closer.  The trick is to get your chain tension and alignment both correct at the same time after the axle bolt is torqued.  Lots of trial and error.  You could also simply check the accuracy of the swingarm's marks and make a note that for instance the left side should be one mark more than the right. This won't be as accurate as there is some built in slop in the chrome chain adjusters and axle but it should get you close. This method was a nice final step in getting my bikes handling as crisp as possible.  It is certainly a waste of time if things like your swing arm bushings, wheel bearings, wheel runout, tire seating etc etc is not sorted out first.  It is also basing rear wheel alignment on maximizing handling performance rather than chain wear.  Some align to get the sprockets lined up but IMHO thats not what riding is about!
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