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gaijin

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Learning to wrench
« on: August 14, 2005, 01:47:18 PM »
Well I've had a fun week, I tried out as an apprentice in a local motorcycle repair shop. In return for helping around the shop they're offering to teach someone to wrench for free, much like an apprentice position (but unpaid, except for free lunches). I learned so much in just two days, watching these guys tear into bikes!  Just wondered if anyone else learned this way, from an apprenticeship or something similar. Apparently it's more common in Europe...?

How'd you guys learn to wrench? Just on your own? I'm curious now.

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« Reply #1 on: August 14, 2005, 02:24:28 PM »
hi gaijin, so i take it by your post that you enjoyed yourself this week  8) i am pretty much self taught, in my youth i found that trial and error can be costly  :-[  so you learn to start asking questions and paying attention  also manuals are a good idea ,as i got older i to worked in a motorcycle shop, i was a regular in this shop before working there buying bikes and parts ,so the guy who owned the shop new my abilities and interest in bikes before he offered me a job, that was  8) because i was doing something that i really liked, since then i have made a living buying and selling motorcycles and cars and fixing them amongst other things  :)  i hope you enjoy spannering and you make a living out of it to  ;)  mick.
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Re: Learning to wrench
« Reply #2 on: August 14, 2005, 02:57:29 PM »
All my mechinal abilities are self- taught.  I have never worked a day in a repair shop or garage.  I've tinkered with cars and hot rods almost all my life.  I bought my 550 in December last year, and with help from my Clymer manual and this website, I have running as good as any 30-year-old bike on the road.  I feel that trial and error, making mistakes, asking others, and just plain doing it yourself are the best ways to learn anything. 
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Re: Learning to wrench
« Reply #3 on: August 14, 2005, 05:36:24 PM »
I've always been interested in mechanical things and how things work.  My Grandfather was a sewing machine repairman who worked in clothing and shoe factories.  Those are long gone, but I remember watching him fix things in his shop.  He lived to be 91 and was always the fixit man in our family.  My Father had NO mechanical ability, which may have made it better since if I wanted to know how something worked I had to find out myself.  I spent much time in the library reading books on engines, cars and anything else that interested me.

When I buy a car or bike, I always get a Haynes or Clymer manual (or both).  I have been driving since 1977 and have never paid for a car repair in that time.  And I have owned some real junk!  If the car is not under warranty I repair it myself.  Unfortunately, as time goes on I find it harder to get up and down from the ground, but I can afford to drive newer and better cars.  I must admit that I have had a few exhaust systems replaced, but since it would cost the same and is such a pain in the rear, I don't consider it cheating.  I could do it myself, but why bother?!

Being an apprentice in a bike shop sounds like a great way to learn, but in the U.S. there is probably some government safety restriction or insurance problem that would prohibit it.
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« Reply #4 on: August 14, 2005, 06:12:50 PM »
Being an apprentice in a bike shop sounds like a great way to learn, but in the U.S. there is probably some government safety restriction or insurance problem that would prohibit it.

Most places won't let anyone but employees in their shops as per OSHA and insurance reasons.  That would make next to impossible for someone in this country to go to a place like that to learn.   
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« Reply #5 on: August 14, 2005, 07:14:37 PM »
There's plenty of smaller independants who will take on a sap to change oil and tires. You have to be REALLY persistant and hang out after hours to learn anything else.
Uhh, I guess I read that somewhere.

 Good on ya, man. Sometimes I wish I'd learned something (anything) along the way.  ;)
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Re: Learning to wrench
« Reply #6 on: August 14, 2005, 11:38:00 PM »
There's plenty of smaller independants who will take on a sap to change oil and tires.

Yes, it's a smaller independant shop here in San Francisco where I tried this out. Apparently, the shop owner learned this way (by apprenticeship) while growing up in Europe, and wants to pass along this unique opportunity to others.

I do expect that larger shops or dealerships would shy away from something like this for the exact reasons you guys state, insurance etc.

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Re: Learning to wrench
« Reply #7 on: August 15, 2005, 02:34:03 AM »
 Mate , first ,I don't  claim to be a mechanic.
 I have however learned a lot from reading everything that I could get my hands on,
 Having a go (if it's broke you can't hurt it)
 And its taken a life time to learn to ask questions ,because everyone is keen to show you how much they know,
 then you just listen
 see it's easy. :-\
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Re: Learning to wrench
« Reply #8 on: August 15, 2005, 06:42:41 AM »
Like liquidplumber, I started around 13 working on cars with my dad and his dad(an airforce mechanic from way back when) and just took off from there.  I've never had a car I couldn't break... I mean fix and when I got my first bike while in college (74 cb350F), I spent 2 weeks working through the night to get it running then tore it down to the frame using the repair manual, replaced everything from the pistons to the wiring and had her on the road in a month.  Broke lots of parts but I'll never try to guess at the correct torque for an aluminum head bolt again.  Best way to learn from everyone I've talked to.  I would like to hang around a shop to learn the more efficient ways at some point, but can't find any around here that'll let me watch, even if it is free labor.

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« Reply #9 on: August 15, 2005, 06:54:12 PM »
"And its taken a life time to learn to ask questions ,because everyone is keen to show you how much they know,
then you just listen"

Figuring that out has saved my bacon in a variety of situations- especially in school.

Hey! What's the name of the shop? I still like to hear about my old homestead SF.
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Re: Learning to wrench
« Reply #10 on: August 15, 2005, 11:53:15 PM »
I agree Unc Ernie, there is no such thing as a stupid question.It is stupid not to ask and then mess things up.
I`ve learned everything through lots of trial and lots of errors.
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Re: Learning to wrench
« Reply #11 on: August 16, 2005, 02:06:49 AM »
Hey Ernie, the shop's name is Die Werkstatt (www.werkstattsf.com), on Capp and 17th. Run by some very nice people. It's actually just up the street from Charlie O'hanlon's shop (where they do only vintage Honda's). It's great to go by Charlie's and see them all parked on the curb, waiting their turn!

http://www.charlies-place.com
the front page image cycles through a couple different ones, some nice photos there.

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« Reply #12 on: August 16, 2005, 06:18:52 PM »
There are so many good shops around there it's astounding. You should let that guy who just moved to Berkeley on this forum know about it, too.
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« Reply #13 on: August 16, 2005, 08:30:54 PM »
My first lesson was with dad on my first bike a 72 suzuki tc125.  sat in a barn for 15 years and we got it going again.  Then, when I moved to Phoenix to go to Motorcycle Mechanics Institute it was stolen... If it was you... give it back, it has sentimental value.  It was even locked up next to my 89 kawasaki ex500 and they took the 72 ???  anyway, MMI was great but the best teacher was actually doin in a shop.  well, maybe.
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Re: Learning to wrench
« Reply #14 on: August 16, 2005, 08:52:48 PM »
I have just about always fixed all of my own vehicles since I was 12 years old. The old man said if you want to to ride your bicycle and it has a flat,you will fix it. He showed me how and let me use his tools but man he was a real prick if I messed up his tools or put them away dirty (or didn't put them away at all!) You look back at things like that when you are older and really appriciate the lesson.When I was younger, I drove big rigs for about 10 years to support my family.I got tired of being on the road and decided to go to school for formal training as a mechanic. After 3 years at a community college AA degree program,I started wrenching on big rigs. I eventually drifted away from that and got into auto mechanics which is where I'm at now (since 1990).I hate having to pay someone to work on my stuff and I can tell you....If your not afraid to get dirty and read a book or get on the computer for info,you can save yourself a #$%* pot full of money and come away with the satisfaction of fixin' it yourself.You might have to go out and buy a bunch of tools but hey....they won't just fade away if you take care of them.They will be there for you the next time you need them . Remember one thing.... A man made it-Aman can fix it....Later,Mr Breeze
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