Topic: Just a silly question about oil

[JCRULESU]

My bike is in good shape as far as I can tell and is still running with that high idle after it gets warm. But I digress my question is, should I just use the same oil as my Manuel says the 10w-40 or can I use some of that high milage stuff I put in my once over Ford Toreno?

[kghost]

Oh no you didn't just ask an oil question..............


Did you try the search function?

[firecracker]

Actually made me laugh out loud.


<sits back, grabs the popcorn>


Don't worry, you didn't know any better...

[76 cb550]

If you use synthetic avoid molybdenum it's bad for your clutch.

Diesel oils are supposedly good for this since they don't have moly

I use rotella T 10wEDIT:15w-40 dino oil but I'm thinking of switching to synth.  I wanted to ask an oil question myself but I was sure I'd get flamed for it. =)

[eldar]

Avoid oil if it says "energy conserving" on the back panel or front.
10-40 is the minimum you want. Especially if it gets hot in your area.
Synthetic is better than regular. If your seals leak, they were already bad and just plugged up with sludge from regular oil.

I used the rotella T, it is actually 15-40 not 10-40. Last year I went to the synthetic rotella and it worked great. NO leaks.

Many use regular oil and there is no issue with that, just more frequent oil changes. Choose a good 10-40 though. Some of use in warm areas use a 20-50 or an oil cooler.

[lordmoonpie]

When someone asks an oil question do you put your popcorn in a bucky ball? 

[75modrat]

Never trust "Manuel." That guy lies all the time. I would just consult the manual if you want to know what would be correct for your bike.

[Gordon]

Never trust "Manuel." That guy lies all the time.

Crap...  You beat me to it!

[goon 1492]

I wanted to switch to synthetic but was told to watch out for old gaskets and shrinkage from synthetic causing seepage...... I have been partial to royal purple, its been runnin in my 03' ram, and has been dyno'd at an increase of 9hp and 25ftlbs of torque just with using royal purple, check out their website and horspower tv on powerblock did the test. they did a before and after of what i said above and also checked the temperature of the tranny, transfer case, front and rear end, after they changed all the fluids to royal purple the temps. in the tranny  transfer cases and axles were 15-20 degrees cooler from less friction. Flame on

[hymodyne]

...and we're off...

[BobbyR]

Holy Shirt another Oil question!
I may never live to see the end of it.
Use Rotella Diesel oil and be done with it. It has a high zinc phosphate content which is good for your motor.
Say Amen and close the door.   

[Sam Green Racing]

I think you just did Bobby

Sam.

[kaysystems]

I used Rotella Synthetic last fall, when it was cool (Montreal, Canada), but I'm a bit wary in the summer. Rotells Synth is 5W40.

Any quick comments?

David

[BobbyR]

The greatest experts on Oil have spoken and Rotella is the choice. It is all upside and no downside. Diesels take a real pounding and so does your CB.
Thanks for asking and feel free to ask any question that does not concern Oil or Guns. Welcome to our club and we all look forward to sharing with you whatever knowledge we have. Thanks again for posting and we hope you will keep us posted on  the progress you are making on your bike.

[kaysystems]

The greatest experts on Oil have spoken and Rotella is the choice. It is all upside and no downside. Diesels take a real pounding and so does your CB.
Thanks for asking and feel free to ask any question that does not concern Oil or Guns. Welcome to our club and we all look forward to sharing with you whatever knowledge we have. Thanks again for posting and we hope you will keep us posted on  the progress you are making on your bike.

Oh I've read all the discussions, and being a Mechanical Engineer understand an awful lot about oil, including what happens to a very hot engine using too thin oil that won't hold the oil pressure.

If we are to be treated this way for asking a simple question,  you will never hear the long story of getting this awful machine to even run.

[Gordon]

If we are to be treated this way for asking a simple question,  you will never hear the long story of getting this awful machine to even run.

Ah yes, let the threats of non-participation begin.

[BobbyR]

I apologize, it is an inside joke among those who have been here for a while. Do a search on "oil" and you will see dozens of  threads that go on forever. The opinions are very wide and heated.

Since we have a wet clutch it is generally agreed that super slippery oils are not a good choice for clutch longevity. The same holds true for slippery additives.

Most people like the Diesel since it has a wide viscosity range and it still contains additives that had to be removed from Automobile oil since they would foul a catalytic converter.

Some like Motorcycle specific oils which one would hope would be clutch friendly.

The key protecting your engine using any oil is changing it very frequently. Unlike our cars which tick over 2,000 rpm at 70 mph, our bike engines would be running at 5,000 or more. Even around town you are unlikely to be under 3K. Our engines are also air cooled. As an Engineer you know that any moving part has a finite number of cycles before failure. The trick is to extend that number as much as you can.

None of our comments were meant to offend you, it is just we avoid the O word as much as possible. Keep us posted  on your progress, the group likes success stories.   

[Klark Kent]

Anyone who has read ALL the discussions has to know that this issue has been discussed as nauseum and is always a source of fireworks- I don;t even think people have treated the OP harshly- this isnt your typical - "use the search function newbie bullying"- we have very few bulys that stick around- its more of a disbelief that this particular question was asked and a bemused anticipation of what is to come- and even a little glee from those of us who never thought they would see another one.  

I use crisco, but I am thinking of switching to cool whip for the summer- you know, to keep things cool.

ok, rotella 15/40 (because I have read all the discussions)

[kaysystems]

If we are to be treated this way for asking a simple question,  you will never hear the long story of getting this awful machine to even run.

Ah yes, let the threats of non-participation begin.

All the important thing I need to know in life I learned in Kindergarten - including how to bicker.
I'm not threatening anyone, just asking to be treated with respect. If that doesn't happen why should anyone waste time here? If you take the time to read, I have made valuable contributions to this forum, including buying & scanning Service Bulletins.
If I'm not appreciated, then there is no excuse for ignorance.
Topic closed.

[eldar]

Being from canada, I thought you would have thicker skin, if nothing else at least from the cold!
You are taking it WAY to seriously. I mean if we all did that, well I doubt half of us would be here. Unless someone out right calls you an @$$h0l3, let it go.

[kaysystems]

I know this topic is a source of fireworks, and there are many threads, however people gain experience all the time. I've read this forum for over 4 years now, trying to get the bike to run properly. Hopefully one day this year I'll succeed. If not ebay is a great place (sarcasm for those who don't recognise it)

My question was simple, that I didn't find answered by searching. Is Rotells Synthetic OK in the Summer, based on experience?

Sorry if I antagonised

David

[Klark Kent]

don't be such an a$$hole eldar.

kay- who exactly has disrespected you?- wasnt your question technically an attempt to hijack the thread?

and anyone who has been offended- don;t worry trust falls and group hugs happen at page ten of the typical oil thread, just hang on till then.

[kaysystems]

Being from canada, I thought you would have thicker skin, if nothing else at least from the cold!
You are taking it WAY to seriously. I mean if we all did that, well I doubt half of us would be here. Unless someone out right calls you an @$$h0l3, let it go.

I'm not really taking it too seriously. After all, I wasn't born in Canada, but for some strange reason chose to move here. That takes a lot of humour (spelled the Canadian way).
I'm just so fed up pouring money into this bike, I just don't want to do something wrong & pull then engine for the 8th time if under 5 years. Don't ask me for my real impression of this bike or I will get very serious. It's certainly a challenge.

[Tower]

Just to mix it up a bit....
Diesel fuels, bah...Amsoil Motorcycle 10W30 Synthetic.yah, baby, yah Its newer it special, its better

Don't know about you folks, but I get the distinct impression that the argument is decidedly in favour of synthetic, not only as a viable alternative, but indeed a better one.

My hat is in the synthetic ring.  Changed to this stuff when I replaced my clutch plates.
1. Soak corks in synthetic 2 days
2. Drain oil and replace filter
3. Pour in the synthetic

500 smoother-shifting miles later, I did a second oil change and new filter. ..and WOW!  the oil was still fresh looking.

Here's the commercial( read from label on back of jug)....

"

High Performance Engine & Transmission Lubricant

AMSOIL Advanced Synthetic 10W-40 Motorcycle Oil is engineered for maximum performance in 4-stroke engines and motorcycle transmissions, both two-and four-stroke.  It is wet clutch compatible and features better heat resistance and wear protection than other motorcycle oils.  AMSOIL Synthetic 10W-40 Motorcycle Oil is Shear Stable. It stops viscosity breakdown (loss), protects gears and meets SAE 80W/90, API GL-1 gear oil requirements. 
AMSOIL Synthetic 10W-40 Motorcycle Oil is recommended for Honda, Kawasaki, Yamaha, Suzuki, BMW, Husqvarna, KTM, and other motorcycles where 10W-40 or 80W/90, API GL-1 is used in engines or transmissions.  Not recommended for shaft drive hypoid gears.

API Service SG, SL/CF

• JASO MA/MA2

CAUTION: Continuous contact with used oil has caused skin cancer in lab testing.

• No friction modifiers for outstanding wet clutch performance
• Extra anti-wear additives for long equipment life
• Promotes cooler operation
• Prevents foam in high RPM engines
• Protects against rust and corrosion during storage

"

hehehehe..

[kghost]

I know this topic is a source of fireworks, and there are many threads, however people gain experience all the time. I've read this forum for over 4 years now, trying to get the bike to run properly. Hopefully one day this year I'll succeed. If not ebay is a great place (sarcasm for those who don't recognise it)

My question was simple, that I didn't find answered by searching. Is Rotells Synthetic OK in the Summer, based on experience?

Sorry if I antagonised

David

Well its only taken ya 4 yrs of working on it and watching the forum?

Watch closely...oil threads are like asking the Catholic church thier opinion on martin luther.....

If your an engineer heres my advice.......

Believe about half the things on the internet...after you verify them.

Then read your owners manual and figure out what oil it recommends....

Then use google or some other search engine and see what the equivelent is....

After you know what the properties are of the oil you SHOULD have...then decide what is best for you.