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Offline ajinreno

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Inline fuel filters...yes or no?
« on: April 17, 2008, 09:16:06 AM »
What's the consensus? It seems to make sense to me to have them, but have had some serious gear heads tell me not to bother.

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Re: Inline fuel filters...yes or no?
« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2008, 09:22:08 AM »
I never ran them till I rebuilt my carbs...since then (I have the cheapo clear filters) I have actually noticed
some crap in the filters....looks like they do work.  Couldn't hurt.  I've been looking for something else as they aren't very attractive.
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Re: Inline fuel filters...yes or no?
« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2008, 09:23:00 AM »
I run them on everything.
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Re: Inline fuel filters...yes or no?
« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2008, 09:25:25 AM »
I run them on everything.
+1 good precaution ;D, some will say otherwise :P
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Re: Inline fuel filters...yes or no?
« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2008, 09:49:34 AM »
What's the consensus?

There is none.

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Re: Inline fuel filters...yes or no?
« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2008, 09:54:54 AM »
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Re: Inline fuel filters...yes or no?
« Reply #6 on: April 17, 2008, 10:22:01 AM »
I have the in-line and the one in the tank...I still get a bit of crud in the inline.
Here is a bit if info that I posted on an earlier thread on filters......

A quick side note on the clear fuel filters...
I have a 750 k7 and when I got it...it had the small conincal clear one with the pourous metal filter...worked fine! When I restored the bike...I replaced the filter...the parts house was out of that type, so I picked up a cylindrical one with the paper element...worked fine....UNTIL...I ran to the end of the fuel and switched to reserve.
It never picked up fuel...seems the cylindrical one formed an air bubble in it and basically vapor locked. There wasn't enough head pressure with the fuel level so low to push the fuel past the air.
It wasn't a hot day so it wasn't actual fuel boil...just an air bubble that formed. I though this was just a one time occurance but the next time I switched to reserve it did the same thing.
What made this a BIG issue was where it happened. Normally the bike will give a bit of indication that it's starting to run out of fuel...this time it just quit. Unfortunately!!!! I was on the interstate at 75mph with a Semi right on my ass!!! The bike quit like you had turned the key off...so it caused a very tense few seconds to get the bike to the side of the road and not be run down by the semi!
Moral of the story....the conical shape on those filters is there for a REASON! It seems to prevent that bubble from forming and preventing gas flow.
I have the in tank filter and a clean tank...but even with that, I still get some residue in the clear filter...so I like to have that second level of safety to prevent having to clean the idle jets all the time!

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Re: Inline fuel filters...yes or no?
« Reply #7 on: April 17, 2008, 10:48:00 AM »
My tinking is if you have the OEM brass screen in the fuel tap,nothing big enough to clog any jet will get through the screen.If you have the in tank OEM sock also like my 1100F has,even better as it self cleans.The junk that gets through the screen accumulates in the base of the float bowl and can be removed with a periodic draining.   Rock On
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Re: Inline fuel filters...yes or no?
« Reply #8 on: April 17, 2008, 11:07:32 AM »
I run them.  Definitely the way to go.  Helps keep crap out of your carbs!





BTW - where's a good source for these round ones.  I haven't been able to find them locally.  Everyone is carrying these cone shaped ones now.



P.S.  Not willing to pay a lot in shipping to get the round ones

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Re: Inline fuel filters...yes or no?
« Reply #9 on: April 17, 2008, 11:09:19 AM »
Yes.

If mine has saved me from once having my bowls overflow because of grit, it's worth the 10 minuites to install, and the 2.50 i spent last time.

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Re: Inline fuel filters...yes or no?
« Reply #10 on: April 17, 2008, 11:25:03 AM »
The small cone shaped filter that hope has pictured it the way to go...I've never had a fuel flow problem with one of those. Most auto parts/small engine places should have them and they are very inexpensive.

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Re: Inline fuel filters...yes or no?
« Reply #11 on: April 17, 2008, 11:31:48 AM »
+1 on inline filters.

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Re: Inline fuel filters...yes or no?
« Reply #12 on: April 17, 2008, 11:38:03 AM »
I had the cone shaped filters on my 550 and they were worthless.  There was no way to mount them vertically and I had constant problems with poor fuel flow.  I took them off and the bike ran great.

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Re: Inline fuel filters...yes or no?
« Reply #13 on: April 17, 2008, 11:42:35 AM »
Mine is a 750 K7...single line and no problem mounting it....Not sure about the 550s

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Re: Inline fuel filters...yes or no?
« Reply #14 on: April 17, 2008, 11:46:09 AM »
I had the cone shaped filters on my 550 and they were worthless.  There was no way to mount them vertically and I had constant problems with poor fuel flow.  I took them off and the bike ran great.

This is why I am looking for the round ones.  I currently have the cone ones, but I want to get back to the round ones.  Looks like shipping is going to kill this deal, though.

I recommend the round ones over the cone ones due to the tight fit on the 550.  Anyone wanna pic up some round 1/4 inline filters and mail them to me.  Your shipping has to be a lot cheaper than the $6 shipping I'm getting from Z1.

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Re: Inline fuel filters...yes or no?
« Reply #15 on: April 17, 2008, 11:48:35 AM »
I had the cone shaped filters on my 550 and they were worthless.  There was no way to mount them vertically and I had constant problems with poor fuel flow.  I took them off and the bike ran great.


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Re: Inline fuel filters...yes or no?
« Reply #16 on: April 17, 2008, 11:51:38 AM »
Hey Hope...
Have you tried a local small engine shop...Seems lots of lawn mowers use that filter.
THat filter has a small connical shape at the top and bottom...with I'm assuming is to help with avoiding a air bubble fuel block.

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Re: Inline fuel filters...yes or no?
« Reply #17 on: April 17, 2008, 11:54:45 AM »
I've tried the lawnmower shops and found the round ones... but they were RED (Briggs & Stratton).  I wouldn't be able to see the stuff in the fuel filter & won't know if my gas is flowing through.

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Re: Inline fuel filters...yes or no?
« Reply #18 on: April 17, 2008, 12:02:11 PM »
Yep...the ones I've seen there are solid color as well...I think they were black...but were the same round filter.

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Re: Inline fuel filters...yes or no?
« Reply #19 on: April 17, 2008, 12:06:10 PM »
Well, lemme know if you run across any at your local bike shop.  I've check 2 Honda shops, 1 shop that sells aftermarket bike parts, and a Kawasaki shop and they all have the cones.

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Re: Inline fuel filters...yes or no?
« Reply #20 on: April 17, 2008, 12:11:19 PM »
What is the filter element made of in thoses??? If it's just a screen type filter...not sure it's going to catch the Itty Bitty stuff that seems to always find it's way into the idle jets.

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Re: Inline fuel filters...yes or no?
« Reply #21 on: April 17, 2008, 12:23:27 PM »
It's a screen type filter.

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Re: Inline fuel filters...yes or no?
« Reply #22 on: April 17, 2008, 12:26:45 PM »
If adding one filter is good isn't adding, like, 5 extra, even better?  Just think how clean your fuel will be!

Do you care if particles sized 0.002" flow through your carbs and out the exhaust?  Would that harm anything?  Would you even notice it while driving?   Your filter has to stop particles from getting to the smallest orifice the meters fuel.  Usually, that's your slow jet size.  All the stock Honda filters that come with the bike block particles that can harm carbs.

Adding extra filters, also adds extra maintenance. Even if your added filter blocks finer particles than the Honda supplied one, where do they go?   They stay in the filter, which you have to clean or replace periodically or it gradually and incrementally reduces fuel flow capability.  When do you find out that this has occurred?  On the freeway when you engine overheats and holes a piston due to progressive and repeated fuel starvation?

The early Honda petcock filters have a sediment bowl, that once a year, you remove, clean and reinstall.  The bowl splash flushes the screen to keep it clear and flowing (unless your tank is hopelessly rusted).  The screen prevents particles that won't fit through carb orifices from reaching the carbs.

The later Hondas have an in-tank filter that blocks even finer particles than the earlier type.  There is no sediment bowl, the sediment is held in the tank.  The sloshing of the fuel in the tank constantly clears the mesh so proper flow in maintained (again, unless your tank is hopelessly rusted).   It still won't allow any particles to reach the carbs that can block metering orifices.

If your stock Honda filter is installed properly and functioning as delivered, you don't need another (or several more) filters on your bike.

As mentioned earlier, the fuel feed from tank to carbs is done with gravity.  Any plumber worth listening to, will tell you that such systems need a constant grade reduction to flow properly.  Loops and dips in the line, trap fuel or air.  When the tank level gets low enough to the drain, either the bottom of the tank on reserve, or the stand pipe height, the head pressure falls very low, such that an air bubble trying to rise, can block fuel flow, or worse reduce fuel flow, leaning the fuel mixture.  Honda doesn't provide much room in many of their bikes to insert a useless filter, without adding a fuel line loop.

That's the science of it.  However, if adding filters is a religion for you, or a habit like locking your door three times, you'll gain peace of mind by adding an extra fuel filter...or three.  It is something fairly easy to do to make operators feel they've done something nice for their machine... like the best oil they can find.  :D

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Re: Inline fuel filters...yes or no?
« Reply #23 on: April 17, 2008, 12:37:39 PM »
mercy, TwoTired.

I must admit that I fall into the category of having piece of mind by having the inline filters, but it seems to have struck a nerve with you.

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Re: Inline fuel filters...yes or no?
« Reply #24 on: April 17, 2008, 12:47:24 PM »
Fully agree with you, Two Tired