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jakkepunk

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750 Cafe project
« on: April 19, 2008, 04:21:21 AM »
Hi,

i'm building a cafe project bike out of a CB750F1. I've already bought some nice pieces and it's all starting to begin looking like a bike.( only in my mind for the moment! see pic!!!!)
For the moment rebuilding my engine, but i'm trying to get hold of the guys from m3 racing, not an easy job.
I'm using:

836 wiseco kit
ti valve springs
high perf valve springs
replacing all bearings and gaskets
putting on an oil pressure gauge
super sporty race cam
cr29 keihin carbs
new primary chains
heavy duty engine studs

has there been someone outthere who used a modern usd fork on a cb750. I'm planning to do so.
Also putting in 18" spoke wheels will look great i think.

Does anyone knows wbo-racing in germany, they make great looking alu tanks.

ANY SUGGESTIONS? Feel free!!

found one pic on the net of a similar looking bike ( for the moment )

« Last Edit: April 21, 2008, 11:56:28 PM by jakkepunk »

Offline silver fox

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Re: 750 Cafe project
« Reply #1 on: April 20, 2008, 07:30:45 AM »
I don't know of wbo, but thanks for the site, just emailed em ref a 400/4 tank if they make 'em???
Will let you know how i get on!

Regards
Steve

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Re: 750 Cafe project
« Reply #2 on: April 20, 2008, 08:02:02 AM »
If you are installing a "super sporty race cam" then I would guess you want to build a high RPM screamer type motor?  To benefit from a race cam your engine will need to be able to handle the high RPMs where the cam is designed to add power.  It will also need to inhale and exhale sufficient amounts of air at these high RPMs.  In addition to what you have on your list, flow work on the head will be required to get much benefit from an aggressive cam.  Consider spending big bucks for sturdier con rods too if you wan't to safely spin up to race cam RPMs.  A well designed performance exhaust system would also be a good idea, as well as an oil cooler.
Keep in mind that you will likely create an edgy motor in the process that will have soft spots and in general less power (certainly less than a mildly tuned 836 and likely less than a stocker) at lower RPMs. You will need to wind out your motor to have fun! 

jakkepunk

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Re: 750 Cafe project
« Reply #3 on: April 20, 2008, 12:04:57 PM »
thanks eurban!

now i will have to kill my piggy bank!
are you sure the high perf con rods are needed? they dont have to carry much hp per piece, max 25hp per rod.
these rods are designed to carry 50hp per piece.

what do you think?

thanks for reply!

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Re: 750 Cafe project
« Reply #4 on: April 20, 2008, 01:32:23 PM »
You can certainly build a reliable 836 engine without needing hi performance con rods.  However you will want to choose parts and approaches that are designed to make good power in the RPM ranges that the stock Rods will be reliable at.  As RPMs go up, so does the stress on Conrods even if you are not making additional power.  I am not certain of the limits of the stock rods so you might want to ask some experienced builders like MRieck or Jay from APE their thoughts.  Basically you might want to go with a milder cam that will boost power in lower RPM ranges.  Your bike will probably have better rideability as a result. . .

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Re: 750 Cafe project
« Reply #5 on: April 21, 2008, 09:28:52 AM »
Spoke to WBO and although they dont make a CR tank for a 400/4, they are happy to make a one off for me for 460 euros, they just need my frame, or a template. Also they are only 1 1/2 hours down the road from me, so will let you see the results once i get time to get it down there!

Good luck with the bike, keep us posted

Regards
Steve

jakkepunk

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Re: 750 Cafe project
« Reply #6 on: April 21, 2008, 11:59:05 PM »
ok thanks!! 

as soon as my camera works i 'll post some new pics !!

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Re: 750 Cafe project
« Reply #7 on: July 03, 2008, 06:21:10 PM »
You can certainly build a reliable 836 engine without needing hi performance con rods.  However you will want to choose parts and approaches that are designed to make good power in the RPM ranges that the stock Rods will be reliable at.  As RPMs go up, so does the stress on Conrods even if you are not making additional power.  I am not certain of the limits of the stock rods so you might want to ask some experienced builders like MRieck or Jay from APE their thoughts.  Basically you might want to go with a milder cam that will boost power in lower RPM ranges.  Your bike will probably have better rideability as a result. . .

I had a true 750cc road racer (yoshimura 2 ring slipper pistons) ported head, cam, weber carbs, and I bent a rod, so it is possible for 836cc and less to bend a rod if the rest of the motor is hyper.

I would suggest that carbs and a cam will not be appreciated without a ported head. In fact, the ported head alone may be better than the carbs and cam without the ported head.

Unless one is really racing on a track where the rpms can be kept up, an 836cc motor will be more appreciated on the street set up for lower RPM torque ie a milder cam, which can use milder springs, like the stockers with shims, and the narrower carb throats like 29mm like already planned.

Just my thoughts and experience.
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