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Is this common?... and a possible problem.
« on: April 19, 2008, 08:14:50 PM »
Today, I uncovered my bike and rolled it out of the garage and into the sunshine for the first time since late November.  I looked in the oil tank and there was NO oil.  It drained into the engine after sitting for many months.  Is this a common issue?  I guess the check valve isn't sealing.
So, I figure I can use the kickstart to move some oil, but it won't budge.  It is frozen solid.  I mentioned to Mike a while back that the kickstart didn't move well.  Now it doesn't move at all.  What could be the problem?

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« Reply #1 on: April 19, 2008, 08:24:06 PM »
careful w/ that knee!   ;)
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« Reply #2 on: April 19, 2008, 08:25:11 PM »
Yes common.

Pull a few plugs in case oil got in there, but I cant see that unless you added extra oil to the tank?
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« Reply #3 on: April 19, 2008, 08:26:51 PM »
careful w/ that knee!   ;)

It is the left knee, so the kicking leg is good.  But thanks.

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« Reply #4 on: April 19, 2008, 08:28:12 PM »
Yes common.

Pull a few plugs in case oil got in there, but I cant see that unless you added extra oil to the tank?

I didn't add any oil and I won't.  How about the kickstart problem?  I would hate pull the engine and split the case again.

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« Reply #5 on: April 19, 2008, 08:37:02 PM »
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 Seeing how the kick shaft is directly related to the oil pump your lock up problem may be caused by excessive oil in the pump. Your kick start worked fine prior to this....correct? Only after sitting did this occur?
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« Reply #6 on: April 19, 2008, 08:39:40 PM »
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 Seeing how the kick shaft is directly related to the oil pump your lock up problem may be caused by excessive oil in the pump. Your kick start worked fine prior to this....correct? Only after sitting did this occur?

Mike, before winter, the kickstart would not move.  I just used the button to start the bike.
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« Reply #7 on: April 19, 2008, 08:42:56 PM »
Art
 Seeing how the kick shaft is directly related to the oil pump your lock up problem may be caused by excessive oil in the pump. Your kick start worked fine prior to this....correct? Only after sitting did this occur?

Mike, before winter, the kickstart would not move.  I just used the button to start the bike.
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« Reply #8 on: April 19, 2008, 08:56:50 PM »
Art
 Seeing how the kick shaft is directly related to the oil pump your lock up problem may be caused by excessive oil in the pump. Your kick start worked fine prior to this....correct? Only after sitting did this occur?

Mike, before winter, the kickstart would not move.  I just used the button to start the bike.
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« Reply #9 on: February 29, 2012, 10:08:51 AM »
I am having a similar issue. A recently purchased K4 I picked up is having the same problem. The engine turns over just fine, but the kick arm will not budge. I'm thinking it's an oil related issue? Ie lack of oil to the clutch so the plates are all stuck or perhaps the oil pump???

What was the end result with this? Any is sight would be appreciated!

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Re: Is this common?... and a possible problem.
« Reply #10 on: February 29, 2012, 11:31:52 AM »
It is most likely not your oil pump, nor oil in the pump causing this. I had the same thing happen to me, and my kickstarter worked just fine. You don't need to pull the engine and split the case to investigate further, but you may need to, to fix anything wrong. You do need to pull the clutch cover though. Here is a picture of part of the parts fiche. Sorry it is so crappy, but I had to snap a pic of my monitor.



Your problem is most likely with numbers 11,13,14,and 17, maybe even #10, the spindle. #10 is what the kickstarter arm attaches to outside the engine, and #11 is the pawl that engages the starter gear #9. Here are two pages from the shop manual dealing with the kickstarter, as the parts fiche is misleading in that it shows the backside of the mechanism.

   


Something is preventing the spindle from turning. Could be a piece of crap stuck in the pawl or anything. You are just going to need to check it out further. You said the bike starts and runs just fine with the starter motor. That means the gear turns fine as well, as it drives the oil pump in addition to spinning the crank. Maybe the spindle is broken? I hope it's not #17, as you will need to split the case for that.

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« Reply #11 on: February 29, 2012, 11:28:09 PM »
wow, thanks a ton for the advice! I'll take the side cover off and investigate once I get my proper tool. I'm in no rush to gouge up the clutch.

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« Reply #12 on: March 01, 2012, 03:53:40 AM »
Also use the kill sw. so the bike will not start and elect. start to move the oil back where it belongs 10 seconds at a time.

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