Topic: Bush's War???

[racerx95]

Aparently you dont remember jimmy carter.far worse than GW.

[racerx95]

worst  president ever,,,,,,,,,you`ve got to be kidding.

[eldar]

As I was about THREE when carter was in office, ya I doubt I would remember him. He botched things up cause he was just dumb, bush has done stupid things on purpose. Also, the worst president in history comes from multiple media outlets, not me.....though I agree.

[edbikerii]

Which brings us right back to the real topic, which is why has the liberal-biased anti-conservative media convinced many of us that Iraq is "Bush's War"?

Why has the media tried to make us forget that all of the leading democrats (including Mrs. Clinton) were in favor of going to war against Iraq, even while Bill Clinton was our president?

What other lies have the media foisted on us?

As I was about THREE when carter was in office, ya I doubt I would remember him. He botched things up cause he was just dumb, bush has done stupid things on purpose. Also, the worst president in history comes from multiple media outlets, not me.....though I agree.

[eldar]

All media lies. Liberal AND conservative. Conservative seems to be more outwardly hostile though. Case in point, Rush Limbaugh calling for civil disobedience. I prefer to get my news online, that way I can view multiple sources instead of 1 or 2.

[edbikerii]

First of all, Rush Limbaugh is very clear on the fact that he is biased.  He is also not a news source.  He is a political commentator.  Unlike the overwhelmingly liberal-biased news, he's not pretending to be neutral.

As for "civil disobedience", here's some history for you:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_disobedience

All media lies. Liberal AND conservative. Conservative seems to be more outwardly hostile though. Case in point, Rush Limbaugh calling for civil disobedience. I prefer to get my news online, that way I can view multiple sources instead of 1 or 2.

[heffay]

Bush's War???

not mine!

not gonna read this thread... but HEFFAY DOES NOT APPROVE THIS WAR!

oh, yes... one more thing... nor will i approve any leader that does!

murder is murder... gov't sanctioned or not.

[edbikerii]

That's unbelievably naive and closed-minded.

Based on quotes from the democrat leaders in that video, Iraq was the "greatest security threat" we faced (Madeline Albright).

Bill Clinton (then President) said that Iraq was developing weapons of mass destruction.

Senator Jay Rockefeller (D-WV) said that "there is unmistakeable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons".

Senator Joe Biden (D-DE) said that "We know he continues to attempt to gain access to additional capability including nuclear capability."

Senator Hillary Clinton (D-NY) said "I can support the President.  I can support an action against Saddam Hussein".

Many more democrats described the massive threat that Iraq posed to the world's safety.

But, in YOUR mind protecting the world from these threats was nothing but murder.  You've got mental problems, buddy.

Bush's War???

not mine!

not gonna read this thread, nor will i check back in... but HEFFAY DOES NOT APPROVE THIS WAR!

oh, yes... one more thing... nor will i approve any leader that does!

murder is murder... gov't sanctioned or not.

[heffay]

did i EVER say i was democrat?

#$%* off, biker!

[dustyc]

Fine, Democrats supported the war.  So tell me about the Republicans that supported the war for a while.  And tell me about the Republicans that profited from it.  Then tell me about the Democrats that profited from it. 

I'm not really interested in arguing about any of it, but I do like reading about it all.

[edbikerii]

Well, I know about Marc Rich, the billionaire traitor who profited from selling Iraqi oil to the US (after falsifying manifests) despite the embargo.  Bill Clinton pardoned him on his day in office.

Fine, Democrats supported the war.  So tell me about the Republicans that supported the war for a while.  And tell me about the Republicans that profited from it.  Then tell me about the Democrats that profited from it. 

I'm not really interested in arguing about any of it, but I do like reading about it all.

[ofreen]

What other lies have the media foisted on us?

Most of them (lies that is).

[eldar]

Ed, wikipedia is a well know BAD source of info.

Rush called for Civil Disobedience in the form of riots.

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/15980105/detail.html

Rush is just a bigoted @$$hole that is afraid to have either a woman or blackman as president. People like him and Ann Coulter are some of the reasons why this country cannot move forward.

[Klark Kent]

look! the wealthy puppets of corporations that wear blue ties supported the war too! 

good job ed.

Clinton did to welfare what Reagan only dreamed of.  he was also bombing iraq on a regular basis.  anyone who is advocating critical thinking here is not a democrat or a republican. 

now ill let you in on a secret.  those in power, who represent the interests of the nation's largest corporations, sought to secure Iraq as a strategic base in the middle east.  that is an admirable goal.  but they didnt think they could sell it.  it might seem like they wanted to send our sons and daughters our brothers and fathers to go die for purely economic and political reasons.  so their buddies told their employees in the newsrooms of the news shows that they own to report the reasons for invasion of iraq as equal parts WMD and false ties to 9-11.  looks like it worked on some folks.

the method they chose to secure this strategic base was not new or special- large scale violence and murder.  there is not one less terrorist (likely there are many more) now that they have done so.  the price of oil continues to climb and we are no closer to controlling the middle east.  bad idea.  poorly executed.  and it is murder.   the only ones that will benefit from this war are the corporations that started it- we will see no benefit in the form of more secure energy or a peaceful Iraq let alone middle east let alone world.  they only planned it far enough along to make sure that the weapons manufacturers Oil men and infrastucture corporations would clean up.  meanwhile more Americans have died due to their scheme than 9-11 and yet people who consider themselves "patriots" refuse to be outraged.  refuse to call for impeachment.  refuse to put their petty republican identity aside for two seconds and look at what has happened here.

once you stop lining up on one side of the petty wedge issues that the (neither liberal nor conservative- just corporate and lazy) media serves up on a silver platter, and attempt to think critically about what is really happening you will see that your enemies are not on this forum and calling people on this forum naive for not buying the fearmongering is, in fact, naive.

[dustyc]

Very nicely put.  Somehow I think Ed will disagree with you.  I get so mad about the state of things I could spit.

[DammitDan]

There are more than 35,000 lobbyists in Washington D.C.

That's more than 65 people per congressman and senator, put there by corporate interests to make sure the country goes in the direction THEY want.  If you still believe that your elected officials actually represent your interests, perhaps it's time to wake up from the fantasy.  American government is run by American corporations, and exercised by the greed of our elected representatives, the majority of which have been Republican for almost 15 years.  And they're STILL trying to protect the "perks" (a.k.a. bribes) provided to them by lobbyists with every last fighting breath.

And you're going to tell me that Bush's War was started by Democrats?  Liberals?  The Media?

I agree with Klark.  Bush's War was a farce started by the fear mongering and greed of Corporate interests in Washington D.C.  But ultimately the responsibility lies with the man who made the decision.  When it all comes down to it, if #$%* rolls DOWNHILL (to the soldiers), then the responsibility should roll UPHILL.

[Klark Kent]

the force is strong with this one

[troppo]

There is a show on TV here in aus called Good News Week, a comedic style show about the past weeks news.
The cyclone in burma and the hard time the foreign aide workers are having getting into the country got one of the largest laughs, the headline given was......

The US WILL NOT illegally invade a country unless it is proved that theres a #$%* load of oil there! There have been no findings of oil in burma.

[Demon67]

You know if for some reason, some one invaded a country I was a citizen of and unleashed as much crap as whats going on in Iraq I wouldn't give a flying F about the right or wrongs of it I would just start killing everyone that was part of the whole mess, the right ones the, wrong ones until they all got the hell out of my country and left me alone. So guys, think about the ordinary schlep trying to mind his own business getting harangued by the good side, the other side, shot at by both sides ( in some cases many sides) and wonder what happens when he finally flips out, does that unleash a blood bath, are they going to be some one in few years that your going to want to negotiate with?
Bill the demon.

[edbikerii]

I don't care if you approve of the Iraq war.  That's not the point, is it?  The point of this thread is that the liberal biased media, as always, falls right in line with the democrat BS line about how the Iraq war was started by GWB and the republicans. 

As proven by the speeches those democrats made on that video, the democrats were building momentum for the Iraq war long before GWB became the president.  The Clinton administration gathered and publicized "intelligence" that Saddam Hussein was creating weapons of mass destruction and building a nuclear arsenal.  President Bill Clinton himself spoke about the danger that Iraq represented to the world in 1998.  Hillary too.

However you feel about the war, you need to take note of the fact that the media is lying to you.  Keep in mind that despite what the democrats are saying to you now, they not only supported the Iraq war, but they also created the situation that caused it.  The democrat-controlled senate and house voted for it, and funded it too.

[Klark Kent]

no Ed.

these guys started the war in Iraq: www.newamericancentury.org

[eldar]

Ed, just cant let go of your blind republicanism can you? Still trying to hoist up dems for the war which REPUBLICANS wanted. Why don't you look to the corruption of your own party and how your hero GW helped get us into this mess. How about how he lied about Iraq. Why dont you look into the sources. I can tell you, they are not dems.

KK has it all right. Now if only you could for once, open your eyes instead of believing all the republican lies.

[edbikerii]

So the words right from their mouths, captured on video, don't mean anything to you?  There's no convincing people who are too ignorant to see the truth when it stares them right in the face.  But, just in case you are not as ignorant as your post below would indicate, I'll post it again:

www.bercasio.com/movies/dems-wmd-before-iraq.wmv

Good luck

Ed, just cant let go of your blind republicanism can you? Still trying to hoist up dems for the war which REPUBLICANS wanted. Why don't you look to the corruption of your own party and how your hero GW helped get us into this mess. How about how he lied about Iraq. Why dont you look into the sources. I can tell you, they are not dems.

KK has it all right. Now if only you could for once, open your eyes instead of believing all the republican lies.

[edbikerii]

Thanks for the link Klark.  Interesting organization.  They are very outspoken on their agenda, and obviously not trying to hide anything.  Nor do they seem to have any influence other than writing books and letters.

no Ed.

these guys started the war in Iraq: www.newamericancentury.org

[tortelvis]

You know, I was raised to believe that those poor commies only ever got the news that their government wanted them to hear, and I believed it and felt sorry for them for being uninformed and lied to by their leaders. Well guess what? IT'S THE SAME EVERYWHERE! I read and heard news reports when I lived abroad that made me (almost) ashamed to be American. I wonder how much of that news ever got shown over here. It doesn't matter where you live, all media is biased in one form or another. Leaving aside the fact that GW is the worst President I have ever seen, is there anyone out there that still believes there were any ties between 9/11 and Iraq? Based on the nationality of the majority of the conspirators of 9/11 we should have gone to war with the Saudis! But then the Bush family has a long and profitable history with the Bin Laden family. When all flights were grounded, GW had the Bin Ladens flown out of the country despite the protests of the FBI who wanted to speak to these people. Sorry, got sidetracked there. The old divide and conquer seems to be working nicely on we the people. We spend so much time, thought and energy with the Republican versus Democrat mentality that we have no time for issues. Wasn't there an old saying, United We Stand? It would be nice to think that the majority of us think that some kind of health care is actually more important than whether two people of the same sex wish to get married, but I guess I am just dreaming. Ed , you seem obsessed with laying blame, preferably on the Dems and/or Liberal media. I don't see you offering any solutions, just telling us all who to blame.
When I look at GW I just see at best a grossly incompetent President, at worst a lackey of the corporations that appear to run most of the world. I don't need to label him as a Republican to despise what he has done to this country. He is first and foremost a politician, and all politicians look out for #1 regardless of party affiliation. I don't have the answers but despising a fellow American because he voted for a different party is just plain old stoopid!