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Re: 1080cc bike?
« Reply #1 on: April 27, 2008, 10:16:18 AM »
I suppose being from carpy the work will be high quality but I have heard iffy things about the 1080 bores. Mostly oil leaking issues such as what HD had. Other issue is when the motor is tired, that's it. No rebuilding possible. I might be wrong though, I suppose you might be able to throw in new sleeves but you have to be very careful to remove all the weld material required to seal the air gaps!

Bet it would be fun though! :D

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« Reply #2 on: April 27, 2008, 11:04:14 AM »
umm, the cast iron liners are not welded to the alloy barrel!

You can always change liners, or go to another barrel set. 

 
I waited about 10 minutes for it to load, saw a whole whack of stuff about somebody enamored ny madmax... , & 1 pic of the bike.. to long loading to view the rest.
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Re: 1080cc bike?
« Reply #3 on: April 27, 2008, 03:16:26 PM »
That's funny, that bike was listed on craigslist a couple weeks ago in Ohio for like $1000.  I talked to the guy, and he eMail me lots of pics and I figured that it couldn't actually be a 1080 'cause the air gaps weren't welded up.  Guess maybe I was wrong.  The bike was discussed at length in a thread on this site back when it was on craigslist.

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« Reply #4 on: April 27, 2008, 05:10:13 PM »
I don't think its a 1080. then again i don't think a lot of things
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Re: 1080cc bike?
« Reply #5 on: April 27, 2008, 05:21:23 PM »
I remember when this bike was on craigslist and looks like all he did was slap some stickers on it then throw it on ebay.
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« Reply #6 on: April 27, 2008, 05:54:39 PM »
 I remember it looked like an ad for "Mad Max". Where are the real pics of the bike? BS.......
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« Reply #7 on: April 28, 2008, 07:46:33 AM »
754, the air gaps have to be welded closed. Plus as i said, there is no rebuilding if something happens to the engine itself. Also the metal between the cylinders is very thin which can cause issues. Cooling is also reduced so get high viscosity oil and a cooler. 

it would still be fun but I dont know if it is worth the potential reliability issues.

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« Reply #8 on: April 28, 2008, 08:14:42 AM »
"This Motor is so tuned that it has to idle at 2500 & 3500 RPM as the Cam is HUGE".
That can't be right, that is extremely high idle!  I could put up with maybe 1700 but 2500-3500 is crazy.
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« Reply #9 on: April 28, 2008, 08:17:26 AM »
I am fully aware of what 1080 sleeves look like in stock cylinder, they can be run unwelded.

 They cant however, no matter what you do go a long ways leakfree, that is why 1080 ended up with the RC bigblock.

It is not going to be a troublefree or touring motor..
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« Reply #10 on: April 28, 2008, 08:21:02 AM »
I thought about that too. My other concern is the max rpms the engine can tolerate. After all, these are larger pistons which of course weigh more. I would hate to have to idle at 2500 and only be able to rev to 8000. I have not seen a 1080 first hand so maybe this is not a concern.

But it needs a head gasket replaced. Not the easiest part to find I suppose.

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« Reply #11 on: April 28, 2008, 08:27:14 AM »
I think the real question is it really a 1080cc motor? With no photos of the engine block its hard to say. If it was a Cobra motor (as claimed it was "cobra like") it would have RC stamped on the engine. There are a lot of photos and none very informative.

As Jleather mentions this bike was on CL not so long ago and it was disproved to be a 1080 motor then....so whats changed? Nothing IMHO. Its BS.

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Re: 1080cc bike?
« Reply #12 on: April 28, 2008, 08:36:27 AM »
All I know is that is one fugly and confusing Ebay ad.
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« Reply #13 on: April 28, 2008, 09:18:13 AM »
Cobra motors had a plaque on the valvecovers. I think a Cobra is more runnable or perhaps  I should say that the 1000cc is mre user friendly. And an actual Cobra would be worth having as opposed to an unknown build (providing it had not been butchered after the fact).


Head gasket, least of the problem, any metal one can be bored out.

I still think the only way to get hours out of a 1080 is a custom block, which if not fined has cooling issues..could be a "they only come out at night bike!"
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« Reply #14 on: April 28, 2008, 09:21:12 AM »
Yeah the add just throws a bunch of pictures on with a bunch of big talk. kinda seems like carpy is riding his name. Maybe it is a good bike but I would rather see pics of THE bike with something to say it is 1080.

I remember that add to, andy. Didnt it get pulled?

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« Reply #15 on: April 28, 2008, 09:27:58 AM »
No the Craigslist ad did not get pulled - just sold (to Carpy it seems).

Both Jleather and myself contacted the seller who was very helpful and honest about the bikes history and sent additional photos. He even admitted it wasnt likely a 1080cc bike since it had no stamping on it. It had come to him from a friend claiming it was. Head gasket leak then as well. He said we were better of trailering it home rather than riding it. Nice Suzuki fairing on it though ;-)

Looks to me that Carpy has added the "Honda" tank decal and sidecover decals and thats all....hey good bike to flip if you can do it.

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« Reply #16 on: April 28, 2008, 09:34:05 AM »
The listing said 24 pics I think of the bike, unless it meant the ones in the body of the listing, which were not the bike. I was tired of the loadtime and drivel..

 Ithought before that , the fellow was often maligned perhaps unfairly.. but after reading that listing I may change my mind!

 It looked a bit like a resume for a pulp fiction writer job application... ;D

 If the barrel is painted black it would be hard to see anyway in a pic. Whoever it gets sold to will not get an easy to live with bike, it they think they are they are in for a rude awakening.. the best tha could happen is its 1000cc.
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Re: 1080cc bike?
« Reply #17 on: April 28, 2008, 09:39:33 AM »
Man those pics talk alot of smack, that ain't no 1080, that is the same oil cooler that i got on my sled. lockhart industries I think. Hell current bid (only one so far) is only 1500 smackers thats not bad for a 750 runner that thinks its a 1080  :P there's gotta be at least one cat that would take it on..... :-* :-*
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Re: 1080cc bike?
« Reply #18 on: April 28, 2008, 09:41:25 AM »
I can hardly believe it,s a 1080 engine, though not impossible. To achieve that he should have, with serial stroke of 63 at least a bore of 73.5 gives 1068.67cc, or ΓΈ74 gives 1083.26cc. Or the bike is a stroker!! With CB900 crank with 69mm!
Bore bigger than 67 seems to give problems with oil leaking. A bore of 70 can hardly be done with a 'normal' cylinderblock! Therefor they used own big blocks, RC, Japauto etc.
Would like to see the inside of that engine.

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« Reply #19 on: April 28, 2008, 09:46:46 AM »

But it needs a head gasket replaced. Not the easiest part to find I suppose.
Cometic will make a copper one. If I remember correctly those 1080 kits didn't measure out to 1080cc. They were a bit smaller
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« Reply #20 on: April 28, 2008, 09:52:36 AM »
Check this out from axl, he pops in here from time to time.
Knows his stuff.

http://www.satanicmechanic.org/bigbore.shtml

Goon, you cant tell engine size from the oil cooler. All the 750 engines use the same size units. you can put a bigger one on if you want but it is not a direct indication of size.

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« Reply #21 on: April 28, 2008, 09:58:50 AM »
A "1080" kit was really like 1060 or something.  You can achieve 1080 with stock stroke anda  stock block.  Here's what it would look like:



Yeah, the cylinder liners are almost touching and really thin.  The only way to run a 1080 without head-gasket problems is to fly-cut a relief into the head and run a copper/piano-wire headgasket.  It can be run *reasonably* reliably with a headgasket like that, but you'll get base gasket leaks off and on.  You'll need additional vents for the crankcase/head to keep from blowing oil seals out (much more piston mass=more displaced air per stroke).  You'd need MUCH stronger rods to run it, but with some good rods you could twist that motor to 11k.  Heat is an issue.

The "Cobra" motors were available even larger than 1080 I believe.  The RC Big Block was a set of jugs with "RC" cast into the sides.  It wasn't a plaque.  The jugs had really short fins and no air-passages.  They also had larger gasket surfaces top and bottom to allow better gasket sealing.

Now, there was one interesting thing in the auction.  Carpys mentioned the valve-cover being raised to allow for a really big cam.  Any truth to that?  I've never heard of that being necessary before, and I can't tell if it's been done or not.  If someone went to that much work (raising the valve cover and bolting the cam towers through it) it might very well be a 1080.  But from the pics I received I wasn't willing to make the 250mile each way drive to see it when it was on Craigslist.  Carpy does know his motors, however, and he isn't one to outright lie.  If he's saying it's a 1080, and he has the bike in front of him, it may very well be.

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Re: 1080cc bike?
« Reply #22 on: April 28, 2008, 10:28:28 AM »
Sounds like carpy is up to his old BS again. I'd have to say buyer beware or is it buyer bend over.  :(  he's so full of himself.
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« Reply #23 on: April 28, 2008, 10:33:33 AM »
1080 is about as big as you want to go, with a stroker though, you could get 1200 out of it.

 The plaque was given out with the COBRA package.

Yes the RC block has the letters cast into it
No I dont think the gasket surface is larger, just more rigid and less prone to flexing or cracking. Yes 1080s  (sohc member)motor is O-ringed, I had to cut the groove in one sleeve and deck the barrels. I would like to see him get the stroker built and a hotter cam in his 1080.

As far as the idle being that high, I dont think it is necessary or  you could idle lower with hand on throttle. I think cityboy may have that cam in his.... I dont think they raised anything, may have notched the towers and the valvecover may have the welded in supports, though.
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« Reply #24 on: April 28, 2008, 10:41:18 AM »
 I've seen the cam towers shimmed(raised)after a lot of milling and decking. The shimming helped maintain the proper cam chain running length.
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