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Offline Geeto67

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I think I humped myself
« on: May 05, 2008, 03:01:06 PM »
I was trying to bleed the rear caliper on my 1978 F over the weekend. The system had been dry for a while when the bike was in storage. Anyway I filled the resivoir with fluid and put my hand on the brake lever to pump. Instead I got some resistance followed by an audible pop and then the master cylinder pumped no more. She is not leaking but she is not pumping any fluid. Any suggestions? What do you think happened?

I kinda need one that works before the weekend so if someone has a nice working one drop me a pm.
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Offline mattcb350f

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Re: I think I humped myself
« Reply #1 on: May 05, 2008, 03:05:04 PM »
Maybe the plunger's stuck in the plunged position...

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Re: I think I humped myself
« Reply #2 on: May 05, 2008, 04:01:05 PM »
Does sound like it was dry and stuck....
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Re: I think I humped myself
« Reply #3 on: May 05, 2008, 04:26:48 PM »
Does sound like it was dry and stuck....

yup. how do I get it unstuck?
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Re: I think I humped myself
« Reply #4 on: May 05, 2008, 04:56:37 PM »
Take it appart?  ;D
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Re: I think I humped myself
« Reply #5 on: May 05, 2008, 05:10:28 PM »
Sometimes if you let a master cylinder dry out the brake fluid creates a sticky mess inside the cylinder the piston slides in. I've had some luck dissolving this crud with denatured alcohol. You likely will need to rebuild the master, though.
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Re: I think I humped myself
« Reply #6 on: May 05, 2008, 05:12:25 PM »
I rebuilt a 750F rear master that had been sitting since 1985.  Yes, it was stuck.  The old brake fluid was totally "chunky", on the way to being powder.  Kinda like dry cottage cheese.

I used an old master cylinder I had laying around with a spare hydraulic line, then hooked up the stuck rear master as a slave.  Bled the system and used hand pressure to pump out the rear mast piston.  (Remove the circlip first, of course.)

Then I cleaned and reassembled the original parts!  I used a wood dowel and alum oxide paper to hone the cylinder.  Made sure the piston would work in the cylinder without seals.

It's still working with no leaks.  ???

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Re: I think I humped myself
« Reply #7 on: May 05, 2008, 05:51:54 PM »
Just did a front brake on my auto, that I recently bought. It had not been ridden for years and the front brake was jammed on.

As TT and Patrick stated above, the fluid after time, firstly goes to a gel like substance and then hardens up to a scale like substance. My caliper and master cylinder were full of a combination of both. I cleaned the master cylinder reservoir out and filled it with fresh fluid then let it sit overnight. This did not make it work, but I think it helped it to free up.
I then used a master cylinder to pump it all apart. It was a real mess inside, but cleaned up OK

I keep an old road scarred master cylinder ,just for the purpose of pumping out caliper and master cylinder pistons. I know other people have success with a grease gun, but I have always managed to pump it out with my old master cylinder mounted on an old racing clip-on bar.

If the master cylinder is like this- chances are the caliper piston is the same or worse. In fact I have found that this is the biggest cause for brakes to stay on. The caliper piston seal gets jammed with this hard compound and loses its flexibility to return the piston. Often a good clean will allow the brake to work properly without having to replace the piston seal.

There is a good chance that you will just have to clean up the parts and the recess where the caliper seal seats to get you going again.

But you will almost certainly have to pump out the caliper as well to be sure of having a good brake which does not drag.

Just shows why you need to change the brake fluid every couple of years

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Re: I think I humped myself
« Reply #8 on: May 08, 2008, 07:02:35 AM »
I think I should poitn out that before I put the bike into storage I draind the system completely and ran diluted denatured alcohol through the system just to make sure it was empty. I then closed the bleeders and let her sit for 2 years. So far in taking it apart I am finding no sign of fluid crystalization (or traces of any fluid for that matter (not in the caliper at least). I think I just forced it and ruptured the diaphram although I have not pulled it out yet.

Honestly, I am putting the bike together to sell to a friend of mine - I think I might just find another M/C that works and use that instead.
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