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Offline superchode

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'77/78 valves - F vs. K??
« on: August 19, 2005, 05:50:44 AM »
are the actual valves in these two models different? i know the springs are stiffer in the F, but don't know what else sets the two models apart.

looking to replace the (discontinued) inlet valves in my '78 and wondering what my options are.

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Re: '77/78 valves - F vs. K??
« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2005, 07:03:02 AM »
should probably note that this comparison is for 750s, F vs. K.

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Re: '77/78 valves - F vs. K??
« Reply #2 on: August 19, 2005, 07:06:03 AM »
...yes, they absolutely are different.  The valves in the F model are bigger...I want to say by 2-3mm???
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Re: '77/78 valves - F vs. K??
« Reply #3 on: August 19, 2005, 08:38:27 AM »
Keepers are different as well.
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Re: '77/78 valves - F vs. K??
« Reply #4 on: August 19, 2005, 08:47:45 AM »
keepers = valve retainers???
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Re: '77/78 valves - F vs. K??
« Reply #5 on: August 19, 2005, 09:50:28 AM »
The keepers are the 2 pieces that hold the retainer on the valve.
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Re: '77/78 valves - F vs. K??
« Reply #6 on: August 19, 2005, 10:44:09 AM »
...ahh...the washer looking thingies... ::)
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Re: '77/78 valves - F vs. K??
« Reply #7 on: August 20, 2005, 09:27:28 PM »
Nope, not just the washer looking thingies, but the little silver collars around the valves that hold the collars on (valve retainers).  The F retainers have a little groove in them that fits around the ridge on th F valve.  The spring collar is also different, it has a 1.5 = 2mm larger hole.  If you're re-doing an F head (and an appropriate name that is! :P), take a look at the old spring collars under a magnifying glass, and make sure that they aren't starting to split.  I had 2 on an old head that split, one broke in half and dropped the valve, the other was just split on one side, just waiting for the other side to let go.

Aftermarket springs from the K will work on the F.  Check with www.blackdiamondvalves.com (kibblewhite) or www.megacyclecams.com or www.m3racing.com for springs and retainers.
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Re: '77/78 valves - F vs. K??
« Reply #8 on: August 21, 2005, 01:29:12 AM »
Hey Bernie, where have you been mate? Jail? Ha ha, Cheers, Terry. ;D
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Re: '77/78 valves - F vs. K??
« Reply #9 on: August 21, 2005, 08:49:18 AM »
Nope, found a different bunch of hoolies to read about over at www.zrxoa.org  .  Picked up a ZRX1200 in spring, haven't been working on the 750 much till lately again.  You still spreading rumours of good Aussie beer and vegemite edibility, are ya???   :o
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Re: '77/78 valves - F vs. K??
« Reply #10 on: August 21, 2005, 01:52:27 PM »
You still spreading rumours of good Aussie beer and vegemite edibility, are ya???   :o

Well Bernie, I do take my job as the "Self appointed Australian cultural attache" very seriously mate! Do those ZRX guys know how old you are? Ha ha, Cheers, Terry. ;D

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Re: '77/78 valves - F vs. K??
« Reply #11 on: August 22, 2005, 09:04:53 AM »
 ;D

The good thing about the ZRX board - they're all OLDER than me!!!  They're almost as old as the guys HERE! :D :D
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