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eBay REQUIRING PayPal????
« on: May 09, 2008, 11:20:21 AM »
Check this out:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080509/ap_on_hi_te/ebay_paypal_only

It looks like eBay needs more money, so they are possibly going to force us to use PayPal, or we don't get to play. 


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Re: eBay REQUIRING PayPal????
« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2008, 11:28:45 AM »
in that case, i think more people will make listings, then others will ask to conduct the sale outside of ebay and/or paypal. like personal sales

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« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2008, 11:29:54 AM »
The good news is that I don't think it'll fly in the US in the face of antitrust regulation. On the other hand, every comment made by ebay seems very seedy, and it may be a matter of time before ebay owns Craigslist.
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Re: eBay REQUIRING PayPal????
« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2008, 12:31:31 PM »
My only concern is that if, as a buyer, you are only protected if you pay through your credit card, will this lead to more 'unhappy' purchasing situations....like the ones discussed in other threads.

Having said that, I guess the buyer can choose to use a credit card as the funding source for their PayPal account.
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Re: eBay REQUIRING PayPal????
« Reply #4 on: May 09, 2008, 01:52:44 PM »
I guess the buyer can choose to use a credit card as the funding source for their PayPal account.

I do that for every single Paypal payment I do. Obviously, Paypal doesn't allow me to set the funding source to credit card by default, I have to do it with every transaction.

Why? First of all, my credit card gives me .5% of my purchases in cash. 2nd, Visa gives a much better exchange rate than Paypal. But they want us to use our bank account as a funding source. Why? Because they are pocketing the 4% or so that the credit card charges them.

It is like Ticketmaster or those ticket companies. The business is not in promoting concerts anymore: it is in selling the tickets. eBay makes more money with Paypal than with eBay fees.

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« Reply #5 on: May 09, 2008, 03:07:46 PM »
My only concern is that if, as a buyer, you are only protected if you pay through your credit card, will this lead to more 'unhappy' purchasing situations....like the ones discussed in other threads.

Having said that, I guess the buyer can choose to use a credit card as the funding source for their PayPal account.

You're protected whether you use a credit card or not.  You just have more protection if you do use one because then if Paypal denies a claim you've made, you can then go to your credit card company and do a charge-back. 

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« Reply #6 on: May 09, 2008, 03:25:45 PM »
The good news is that I don't think it'll fly in the US in the face of antitrust regulation. On the other hand, every comment made by ebay seems very seedy, and it may be a matter of time before ebay owns Craigslist.
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« Reply #7 on: May 09, 2008, 03:37:35 PM »
My only concern is that if, as a buyer, you are only protected if you pay through your credit card, will this lead to more 'unhappy' purchasing situations....like the ones discussed in other threads.

Having said that, I guess the buyer can choose to use a credit card as the funding source for their PayPal account.

Hey Nick, here in the States the only constitutional government department, the Postal Service, offers quite good protection
when I pay with a money order. Regardless of what ebay says. I've turned in a few folks who haven't shipped like they said they would.
When a heavily armed Postal Inspector shows up and ask what's up these folks ship the items pretty quick.
Lots quicker than any dispute will be settled working through the ebay system too!

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Re: eBay REQUIRING PayPal????
« Reply #8 on: May 09, 2008, 04:32:31 PM »
The good news is that I don't think it'll fly in the US in the face of antitrust regulation. On the other hand, every comment made by ebay seems very seedy, and it may be a matter of time before ebay owns Craigslist.
Ebay actually owns a minority share of Craigslist. They bought the stock from some disgruntled employees. Craig owns the majority of the stock and he says he will not sell to ebay.
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« Reply #9 on: May 09, 2008, 05:23:59 PM »
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« Reply #10 on: May 09, 2008, 05:51:28 PM »
I've told this in another thread, but...

We had NCAA tickets we couldn't use.  We went to Ebay.  They required us to upgrade to use Paypal.  When the tickets sold, Paypal froze the account until we could prove the tickets were ours to sell.  Now it wasn't a problem, but the timing was such that the event was over by the time we could prove our case, part of which was feedback from the buyers.  And all it would have taken was a dishonest buyer, and we would have lost our money.

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« Reply #11 on: May 09, 2008, 07:13:27 PM »
The good news is that I don't think it'll fly in the US in the face of antitrust regulation. On the other hand, every comment made by ebay seems very seedy, and it may be a matter of time before ebay owns Craigslist.
Ebay actually owns a minority share of Craigslist. They bought the stock from some disgruntled employees. Craig owns the majority of the stock and he says he will not sell to ebay.

Excellent. I was not aware.
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« Reply #12 on: May 09, 2008, 07:36:04 PM »
Damn Bobby.
There you go again with your sexy avatars. :)
Keep up the good work. ;D ;D ;D
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« Reply #13 on: May 09, 2008, 07:40:08 PM »

Anyone else think bobby's avatar has a big forehead?

You mean a "fivehead"? :D

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« Reply #14 on: May 09, 2008, 08:10:38 PM »
Is the mandatory paypal grandfathered for long time sellers??

 I stopped selling 3 or 4 years back.. have no intention of ever signining up for paypal Moreso cuz ebay owns it.

 I am just itching to get a live call asking why I no longer sell ;D

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« Reply #15 on: May 09, 2008, 09:07:38 PM »
Maybe this will mean the start of a new auction site that does not gouge people selling and buying. Ebays problem is that they have no real competition. If they did, they might not be so quick to raise fees all the time. Funny thing is if this was Microsoft, there would be an anti-trust suit already in works. I don't know how ebay gets away with it.

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« Reply #16 on: May 09, 2008, 09:13:42 PM »
I don't know how ebay gets away with it.

Give it time.
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« Reply #17 on: May 10, 2008, 03:29:05 AM »
I have never sold anything on ebay, and I'm STILL a happy camper......no skin off MY ass.  I hate it when you're told you HAVE TO do something like this.  F*#k them.  There are plenty of other ways to sell something, maybe just not as convenient.

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« Reply #18 on: May 10, 2008, 09:07:28 AM »
Found this article, if the link works.   http://www.24.com/news/?p=tsa&i=911125

 Ebay are going to try it out in Australia next month.

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« Reply #19 on: May 10, 2008, 09:09:08 AM »
Found this article, if the link works.   http://www.24.com/news/?p=tsa&i=911125

 Ebay are going to try it out in Australia next month.

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And if it goes through they will lose a LOT of business here. I know i wont buy if theres any other choice.

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« Reply #20 on: May 10, 2008, 09:18:42 AM »
Sometimes a company get too arrogant. Google and Microsoft have some very deep pockets and technical expertise. 
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« Reply #21 on: May 10, 2008, 09:45:54 AM »
As others have suggested, I believe this is a clear sign that ebay is exerting monopolistic power. Let me get out my sharp pencil...

ebay is drastically reducing payment options for its customers, many of whom loath using Paypal. Many, many ebay customers, although not all, will convert to using PayPal because other selling options are less attractive (again, not all customers will switch). In the process, ebay will reap greater Paypal profits, regardless of the reason for the elimination of currently used payment options.

How is this not monopolistic?

ebay states, "We are going to take learnings from it and apply them accordingly." Only a moron would believe that customer response would be anything but negative. Thus, ebay simply wants to know how much auction profits will fall off versus Paypal profit increase. Given that information, ebay can do some simple calculations about gross potential profit increase or decrease. With that information, ebay can roll this policy into other countries. By the way, a good test market for this would be a country that has a lower percentage of Paypal users, as is the case in Australia.
 

 
For what it's worth, Microsoft recently admitted to doing worse. Those using Vista are presented with a plethora of security warnings, all of which require some sort of confirmation, and many of which require entering of a password. Vista users have been annoyed by this.

Recently, at a conference Microsoft stated that the reason for this feature is intentionally to annoy users. Their stated logic is that by annoying the users, software developers would be encouraged to write software that requires fewer of these security warnings/confirmations. The truly galling aspect of this is that Microsoft gladly stated this at a conference and not as part of court proceedings. In other words Microsoft publicly states that annoying users is a feature of their software.

How is this not a display of monopolistic powers?

I read this, including statements from Microsoft, in an article in OSNews (osnews.com). If anyone wants the article and can't find it, I'll look it up.
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« Reply #22 on: May 10, 2008, 10:09:03 AM »
Microsoft has made annoying software since the 70's and has prospered for it.  They know full well that their users like it and will keep paying for it.  As long as it can maintain the perception that it is the cheapest thing out there.  Quality simply isn't important to the average PC buyer, as they don't know how to gauge quality.  They can count the money out of their pocket.  And, that is the sole basis for their buying decisions, particularly at the personal and highest corporate level.

ebay is simply basing their decisions on a successful business model.  If they can increase their profits by even 1% (more is better), their shareholders will applaud the move, and encourage further "creativity".  Their are millions of "fools" in the world.  It is the MBA's job to extract maximum payment from them.

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« Reply #23 on: May 10, 2008, 10:38:59 AM »
MS and apple both have annoying programs. At least linux is customizable to your hearts content.

Anyways, as for as the security warning thing, it can be easily disabled. Either completely or partially. I know how to disable it for administrators but leave it active for all other users. It is not obvious but a simple google will give info in shutting it off.

I do not see that as bein monopolistic. How about apple only wanting osx on a mac? You can build a machine identical to a mac, just a different case. Apple still does not want you to do it. They want to charge double the cost basically to have the apple logo.

Any of you recently had to mess with Adobe updates? What a convoluted piece of junk those programs are. Point is, many companies do this. It is certainly not just MS. They just may be the biggest.

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« Reply #24 on: May 10, 2008, 12:17:42 PM »


There are more companies getting profit from the eBay success, namely, UPS, USPS and the rest of parcel companies. They haven't thought twice about rising postage rates to get a piece of the worldwide market pie.


Back to the original question, I don't think it is monopolistic. A monopoly is when only a company gives a basic service and they set the rules so you are obliged to attain those rules if you want that service or good. Buying commodities out of eBay is far from being a basic service, and you can always choose not to buy or sell on eBay.