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Offline Uncle Ernie

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Heli-coils; Who what where and well- now
« on: May 16, 2008, 08:32:44 PM »
Where do I go to get one, and does anyone recommend a brand or are they all the same? 

I need to fix a drain plug hole- will they resist the measley pressure of a drain plug?
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Re: Heli-coils; Who what where and well- now
« Reply #1 on: May 16, 2008, 08:40:58 PM »
You can find them at Ace around here.
Drain plug for the bike? It might be easier to go the next size up.

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Re: Heli-coils; Who what where and well- now
« Reply #2 on: May 16, 2008, 08:46:21 PM »

       Well Uncle, Heli-coils actually ARE a brand. You can get those or (What I've heard called) Inserts, even though I think they actually have a different name. I think you can get "some" sizes of them at the local Hardware stores and maybe larger ones at Automotive Parts stores. Not sure if you can get them that large or not and you might need to find out exactly what thread it is. I think there are at least 2 different types of metric threads. Might google Heli-coils and/or thread inserts and see what pops up.     

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Re: Heli-coils; Who what where and well- now
« Reply #3 on: May 16, 2008, 09:06:35 PM »
Search forum for "helicoil".

Result #1 redirects to result #2 which is:

Idiot's guide to Helicoil

Helicoils are stronger than stock, but are not oil-tight.  Timeserts may do the trick

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Re: Heli-coils; Who what where and well- now
« Reply #4 on: May 16, 2008, 09:18:51 PM »
An option would be to have the hole drilled and plugged with a threaded tube or solid round piece - "good fitting bolt that is loctited in and then redrill and tap to suit". rather than a Heli -coil which is just preformed wire. The Heli -coils have good holding strength but sealing can be difficult. Tig welding a solid plug and re tapping would be better but can get expensive.

Granger or McMaster's/Carr would be another source for thread repair.
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Re: Heli-coils; Who what where and well- now
« Reply #5 on: May 17, 2008, 08:06:32 AM »
An option would be to have the hole drilled and plugged with a threaded tube or solid round piece - "good fitting bolt that is loctited in and then redrill and tap to suit". rather than a Heli -coil which is just preformed wire. The Heli -coils have good holding strength but sealing can be difficult. Tig welding a solid plug and re tapping would be better but can get expensive.

Granger or McMaster's/Carr would be another source for thread repair.

          I can't believe that I knew about filling a bolt or screw hole up and redoing it, but I didn't even think about doing the same thing with the drain plug hole! ::) That's why it good to have more than one reply to these things. ;)
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Re: Heli-coils; Who what where and well- now
« Reply #6 on: May 17, 2008, 12:43:00 PM »
Oil tightness of helicoil -or insert- shouldn't be an issue as long as the o-ring or the crush washer covers the full hole. Thus it doesn't matter whether the oil goes through the plug threads or the insert threads.

Problem with it is that the drain plug hole has quite a big diameter, and buying the whole -your favourite brand here- set for just one use may not be cost-effective. It is a different matter if we are talking M6 or M8, where you have many chances to need them in the future.

I would install a new oil pan if there is one. If the threads are cut directly into the lower crankcase that's a different matter. If the oil plug is M10 or so, you can get a plug from a different bike at the upper size -M12- and cut new threads. If it is a big plug -like in the CB350-, something aroung M20, you could maybe drill and tap a smaller plug hole in the very same original plug, and jbweld the original one to the lower crankcase, using the smaller one for the oil changes and buy a cheap lower crankcase in the interim, waiting for the next time to remove the engine for the crankcase swap.

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Re: Heli-coils; Who what where and well- now
« Reply #7 on: May 17, 2008, 03:48:03 PM »
1952 BMW.  The transmission is seperte from the engine.  The drain plug on the tranny goes right into the case- no oil pan.  (Too bad)  Right now there is a compression plug that is oil tight.  I loosened up the nut and over the course of 2 days the oil dribbled out, but I have no idea if there are any metal bits.  I don't seem to be able to get the compression plug out.  Looks like I'm going to have to take out the tranny.  The pre-55s are different from the later models, and this is going to be {insert your expletive of choice here}.
The plug head is about as big as practical- 19mm I think.  I really wouldn't want to go any bigger, but maybe I'll need to. 

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