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I have removed the tank and cleaned it and the pitcock. I checked for fuel flow, it is good! Changed the oil, I filled it with gas and tried to start the thing. It popped a bit but wouldn't start. I removed the air filter chamber thing from the inputs of the carbs and sprayed some starting fluid into the carbs. It started right up with the choke full pulled. I let off the choke and she quit. I tried again and this time gave her a little more gas and tried to let off the choke again It stayed running but only on one cylinder. Should I rebuild the carbs? All 4? or 3? I know only one was firing because only one pipe got hot after about 30 seconds. I want to rebuild the carbs, but the rebuild kit from Honda costs 24.99 each carb, and that don't include the needle. Any suggestions?
I am a Street Newbie, I have ridden Off Road since 13 and I am 38 now.
Now I have 4 Hondas in my garage. A 2002 Honda Accord, a  2003 crf230f, a 2004 crf100f, and now a 1978 CB750f. Both off roaders run great and have never had to be worked on except for normal maintenance. So I am pretty hesitant to do anything on my CB. Any and all help would be much appreciated.
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Re: My boss is giving me his 1978 cb750f... It don't run... What now???
« Reply #1 on: August 27, 2005, 12:02:40 AM »
The carbs will will probably need to be rebuilt, but you don't necessarily need the kits unless they leak or you break something while taking them apart.  They may just need to be cleaned out.  Also, find out why the other 3 cylinders aren't firing, and make sure all the plugs are sparking.

How long has the bike been sitting?  Check for rust inside the tank before going any further...  Don't want to suck any crap into the carbs if you can possibly avoid it.
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Re: My boss is giving me his 1978 cb750f... It don't run... What now???
« Reply #2 on: August 27, 2005, 12:10:35 AM »
It has been sitting coverred in a wherehouse since '92. No rust in the tank. History: Boss says it ran better than his Harley when he parked it due to back injury. A few years back 2 of his former employees took off the carbs to try to get it running without his permission. He found the carbs on a counter in the wherehouse a week later. At that point he made em just put it back together and told em not to touch it ever again. It was coverred again and there it sat until last week when I brought it home. He hasn't even worked out what he wants in return he just let me take it.

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Re: My boss is giving me his 1978 cb750f... It don't run... What now???
« Reply #3 on: August 27, 2005, 12:34:53 AM »
I'd be pissed off too if you tried to wake me up from a 13 year nap!  >:( 

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Re: My boss is giving me his 1978 cb750f... It don't run... What now???
« Reply #4 on: August 27, 2005, 12:43:11 AM »
Yeah I get pissed of after an 8 hour nap, say nothing about a 13 year nap. I rubbed her down gently before I tried to start her up tho! What do you mean my Karma? That didn't sound pleasant!

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Re: My boss is giving me his 1978 cb750f... It don't run... What now???
« Reply #5 on: August 27, 2005, 04:19:12 AM »
By the way, damn nice boss I say.  ;) Most of the time mine only gave me a hard time.  ;D
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Re: My boss is giving me his 1978 cb750f... It don't run... What now???
« Reply #6 on: August 27, 2005, 09:11:02 AM »
Should I rebuild the carbs? All 4? or 3? I know only one was firing because only one pipe got hot after about 30 seconds. I want to rebuild the carbs, but the rebuild kit from Honda costs 24.99 each carb, and that don't include the needle. Any suggestions?
It seems very likely that all four carbs will need to be rebuilt with a thorough cleaning of the dried out fuel residue blocking up jets and passageways in the carbs.  You may also have to correct any foul ups induced into the carbs by the former employees meddling with the them. These carbs have pressed in slow jets with orifices only .016 inch in diameter.  They easily plug up with residue and prevent any hope of idle operation.  These will have to be yanked, cleaned and tapped back in after the carb bodies and passagways are cleaned.  This will require some prowess with the use of force and creative use of tools primarily designed for other purposes.  If you don't think you possess or can acquire this prowess, then walk away from projected frustration and dissapointment.
Any metal pieces in and of the carb are likely to still be good once they are cleaned of residue.  However, any rubber or fiber seals and the accelerator pump diaphram should be renewed.  These parts are in the rebuild kits from Honda.  If you are not willing to invest $100 in the bike to get it running then, again, walk away from the bike and forget the project.  You also won't want to spend any money on the rest of the bike (brake refurb, fork refurb, tires, etc.) to get it in proper, reliable, and safe running condition.

Note that oxidation on the points can prevent two cylinders from firing.  Remove the points cover and take 400 or 600 grit paper or emery cloth to the contacts of the points.  Then polish with contacts with the back of the paper.  With the points closed and ignition on you should read 0 Volts across the point contacts, and at least 10v when the points are open.  If you are lucky this may give you another one or two cylinders firings.

Good luck if you commit to resurrect it!
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Re: My boss is giving me his 1978 cb750f... It don't run... What now???
« Reply #7 on: August 27, 2005, 07:11:07 PM »
piece of #$%*, send it to me ;D

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Re: My boss is giving me his 1978 cb750f... It don't run... What now???
« Reply #8 on: August 27, 2005, 07:25:56 PM »
i have a 1978 CB750k8. When I got mine it was not running and negleted for a while.

I rebuilt the carbs and did a lot of other work that I have never done before.

JTB has the shop manual on disk if you want and you will need...the clymer manual sucks...for my bike at least

unless BIG things are wrong for most likely less than 500 you will have a good running motorcycle.

The carbs are easier than you think. BUY the kits..all 4 and the pump kit.   
www.motorcyclecarbs.com

post your questions...do it yourself...even if you put $500 in it and it doesnt run you should be able to get your money back by parting it out here.

then again...I wouldnt listen to me...I am rather stupid.

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Re: My boss is giving me his 1978 cb750f... It don't run... What now???
« Reply #9 on: August 28, 2005, 10:48:27 AM »
Thanks Gents for the replies,
I am going to be dismantking the carbs today. I am on my way out the door now to buy parts dip. I will order the rebuild kits tomorrow and put them back together when the kits arrive. I have a nice board set up to keep all parts separated in the meantime. Do you have any last minute tips for me that the website http://www.salocal.com/sohc/tech/carb/dspg_mgs/adjstr1.htm doesn't cover? By the way I found this link on this site under the carb section. Too cool.

What an awesome board this is. This is only my 5th post and already I have learned so much. I looked all over the web and found this board under another name but the board had technical problems back in March. They referred me to groups.yahoo.com. All I saw there was a bunch of dating links to biker chicks. I am happily married so that was of no interest to me. Then I finally saw that someone had posted the link to this site and "Voala" <<<That's French. Here I am. I will be taking a picture of my bike soon and you guys can see why I am even attempting this refurb. She is a beaute!

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Re: My boss is giving me his 1978 cb750f... It don't run... What now???
« Reply #10 on: August 28, 2005, 08:29:30 PM »
 ;D ;D ;D Well I spent most of this afternoon tearing down the carbs and when I started getting to the cleaning of the individual small parts, I found the jets to be completely full of varnish and dust/dirt. At this point I decided to just take the chance of putting it back together when I was finished cleaning the entire carbs. So I did it. I now have 4 very clean and re-assembled carbs. I put them back on the bike and installed the tank and the air cleaner box and the rest of the parts. I pulled the choke full out, Hit the starter and within 20 seconds... VRRRRROOOOOOM!  :o Wow! What a strong sounding engine this thing has. I let it idle for about 10 minutes to warm up, and then took it for a test run. It has no power between 1000 and 3000RPMs. But if you feather the clutch and keep the RPMs up she screams. I drove to the end of my cul-de-sac and back, and parked it.

Now I am in trouble!  ??? I don't know how to adjust the carbs to make it all work correctly. I may have to take it to my local Honda dealer. God I really want to do it myself but I have never done this kind of thing before. Any thoughts that would make this easy?
Thanks for your help guys!
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Re: My boss is giving me his 1978 cb750f... It don't run... What now???
« Reply #11 on: August 28, 2005, 09:16:46 PM »
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It has no power between 1000 and 3000RPMs

It sounds as though the low speed jets are still not clean. Are you sure they are clear and clean? Or, perhaps the air screws are not set properly.
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Re: My boss is giving me his 1978 cb750f... It don't run... What now???
« Reply #12 on: August 28, 2005, 11:48:12 PM »
Did you check out the accelerator pump?
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Re: My boss is giving me his 1978 cb750f... It don't run... What now???
« Reply #13 on: August 29, 2005, 08:47:17 PM »
OK, I got home from work and checked your posts and checked out the air fuel mixture. I had not set these before as I was thinking it was good when my boss parked it, it must still be good. Well I turned them all in and then out 1/2 turn. I started it and it was better. I cut it off and adjusted them out another 1/4 turn and presto. It hauls! Got it up to 50 just after hitting third gear. I slowed and brought her back home and parked it.
You see I have no street licence and the tags are from '92 in Missouri. I am in California. So, I guess my next step will be a basic rider course to negate having to take the DMV driving portion of the test. Also I think it will be a good place for me to start, seeing as tho I have never ridden on the street before. What do you think???
Thanks again for all of your replies!!!
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Re: My boss is giving me his 1978 cb750f... It don't run... What now???
« Reply #14 on: August 29, 2005, 10:38:24 PM »


JTB has the shop manual on disk if you want and you will need...the clymer manual sucks...for my bike at least


Ah....huh? Whats the deal bubbo? I got the clymer manual and i agree it sucks......i got a 78 CB750K like you......so who is this JTB and how do i get this shop manual on disk? Id sure appreciate it.
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Re: My boss is giving me his 1978 cb750f... It don't run... What now???
« Reply #15 on: August 29, 2005, 10:59:50 PM »
 I rode dirt bikes for a while, and had a 250cc honda when i was 18 and rode it for about 2 years, im 36 now so its been along time since i rode a bike. I got this 750 two months ago. Last time it was registered was in 95. Its been quite an ordeal to get it registered. It also had out of state plates on it. I had to bring it down to the DMV so they could verify the V.I.N number before they would even let me register it cause of the out of state plates. In order to do that, it had to run. So i first had to get it running to get it down there. It all becomes a big mess.

Work on your bike at the same time as taking care of the registration/getting your license. It all seems to take forever but will come together in the end.  I was able to coordinate all this so basically the same time my bike is going to be fully operational and ready to be driven safely on the freeway, i will have my license. As it stands right now after a month of working on my bike and the registration, i have it registered, new plates, insured with my learners permit in hand waiting to take the one day riding course next week to get my full motorcycle license. Of course i ride it everyday, I cant stop myself. While waiting i am finally replacing the chain, and tires tomarrow. The two last things to do to it so i wont be scared to take it over 50mph.
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Re: My boss is giving me his 1978 cb750f... It don't run... What now???
« Reply #16 on: August 29, 2005, 11:08:01 PM »
I know what you mean about taking it over 50. I was shaking when I got off my bike today. 1/2 because it was faster more quickly than my 2 off road bikes, and 1/2 because I was afraid a cop would see me and throw me in jail for something stupid! All I know is it was quite exhilirating. I was cheezing from ear to ear when I drove up to my wife and 2 teenage sons.(Who were also cheezing) So far I have $15.00 into the bike and it is already running. It only has 12,000 miles on it. It should run a good long time for me. The price was right anyway!
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Re: My boss is giving me his 1978 cb750f... It don't run... What now???
« Reply #17 on: August 30, 2005, 12:49:26 AM »
Man alive!!! You guys sound just like me.I have had my bike license since I was 16 (early 70's) and I had a few bikes through the years but from early 90's to 2000, I was confined to the cage(Not jail....Automobiles!) I got me a K5 750 in 2000 while living in Wyoming. I got to ride it a whole 4-5 months out of the year because of the weather there.I got here to Modesto,Ca. last year(4-04) and have just put a lot of $ and time gettin' it going from 5000 ft. elevation to 89 ft.I actually went out and got it registered(runnin' like #$%*!) and insured before I was done wrenchin' all of the probs. out of it.Just keep plugging along and you will reap the rewards of havin' one of the coolest bikes to ever hit Earth! You might miss this summer of ridin' but hey..... Wait till spring 2006!!!!.... You will have all winter to make it even badder ass than it is right now!....ENJOY!!!!!
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Re: My boss is giving me his 1978 cb750f... It don't run... What now???
« Reply #18 on: September 02, 2005, 11:03:32 PM »
Man alive!!! You guys sound just like me.I have had my bike license since I was 16 (early 70's) and I had a few bikes through the years but from early 90's to 2000, I was confined to the cage(Not jail....Automobiles!) I got me a K5 750 in 2000 while living in Wyoming. I got to ride it a whole 4-5 months out of the year because of the weather there.I got here to Modesto,Ca. last year(4-04) and have just put a lot of $ and time gettin' it going from 5000 ft. elevation to 89 ft.I actually went out and got it registered(runnin' like #$%*!) and insured before I was done wrenchin' all of the probs. out of it.Just keep plugging along and you will reap the rewards of havin' one of the coolest bikes to ever hit Earth! You might miss this summer of ridin' but hey..... Wait till spring 2006!!!!.... You will have all winter to make it even badder ass than it is right now!....ENJOY!!!!!


Yeah well I had ridden for many years but never on the street, and never anything larger than a 70's model 400cc Yamaha Enduro with all lights etc. removed. I have been riding more in this last year than I had over the previous 10 years combined, and that was on a '03 Honda CRF230F. So when I started the CB and ran it on the street, I was crazy happy! I have never felt that much power on any bike I had ever ridden, and this thing still runs like $%#@. I think it's only firing on the 2 and 3 piston... but that's for another post. Anyway, maybe you could e-mail me more info on getting my license since I too am in California and not all that far from you. Thanks for your post!
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