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Offline CharlieT

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Minor rant
« on: June 11, 2008, 07:54:35 AM »
Just felt like getting this off my chest. Kind of bugs me, but I know the world is full of a-holes and normally I just think to myself, e-F them and let 'em go on their merry way.

Spent the last yr salvaging a $200 eBay special CB400f into a functional bike. Now, $200 for a CB400F should tell you what kind of condition it was in. If I hadn't bought it, it probably would have ended up in the "car" crusher.

Instead of spending a yr a a ton of money restoring it to original condition, I rebuilt it into a replica of a 1964 Honda RC172 road race GP bike. THe kind of bike my boyhood heroes like Redman and Hailwood would have ridden. Came out pretty good.

Took it to a big vintage bike show last weekend. Enetered it as a 1964 Honda RC172-R (replica). Got a lot of good coments on it. Lotsa folks taking all kinds of pictures of it, asking questions as far as how I did somethings, where I got certain parts, etc.

And then there was a small handful of folks that I guess couldn't help themselves. Born critics, purists, or whatever. Received several negative comments and was told it was a sin to do that to a CB400f, that I ruined a classic bike, etc. A couple of comments about it not being teh real thing, it was just a replica. Well, duh, dude. Like you expected to see a an ACtual $600,000+ original factory GP race bike sitting out in the field at a bike show in rural Michigan????

The replica comments were one thing, those two guys made no other negative coments. But the handful of folks who for somereason felt the need to chastise me for running a classic bike just royally p'o'd me. ANy one who has actually ever done extensive work on a bike like this should know just how much effort and work it would take to pull it off. So why give that peson sh** about there choice of what they did.  I could walk around there and look at bikes and find ones that i thought were poorly done it terms of workmanship or they were piece of junk bikes to begin with or whatever. However, I can also appreciate the effort that the owners put into there work. There was an old Harley Rapido 65cc there, restored to showroom condition. Remember them well. They were ugly pieces of junk when they were brand new. Restored, they weren't any better. But to the guy that owned it, I can appreciated the effort and time he put into it. FOr all I kow, it may have been just like his first bike he had back decades ago and had special meaning to him. So am I going to comment to him about why he wasted his time restoring what was a PoJ to begin with? No, I'm more likely to tell him that it looked good and he did a heck of a job on it. I may not appreciate the bike itself, but I can appreciate what he had done.

Same guys for some of the bikes that they did nothing more than buy the thing. While I can truly appreciate the ones built or restored by the owner more, I can appreciate that not everyone has that time or ability to do so. Not going to check their bike out, ask him a question about smoething on it only to get an answer of I'm not sure, I bought the bike already done, and then just say, Oh, and walk away. The fact that they have the interest in owning a vintage/classic bike is good enough for me.

Gues one thing that buggs me is that I kept my mouth shut and just simply replied , well, to each there own. Therre were families and kids all around and I didn't feel like it was the best place or time to to tell them folks where I thought they should go and where they could park their restored OEM bikes.

Oh well, feel better already just getting this off my chest.
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Re: Minor rant
« Reply #1 on: June 11, 2008, 08:29:32 AM »
if i remember correctly from another thread, you/bike won a prize... i can't help but think that your collection of calm may have helped to reel in the prize.  if nothing else, good karma.

its always the ones that really catch you off guard and you come up w/ some lame comeback that really get your goat later...  :-\ ;)
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Re: Minor rant
« Reply #2 on: June 11, 2008, 09:30:46 AM »
CharlieT,

I bet most of the negative comments came from "American Chopper" avid viewers....

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« Reply #3 on: June 11, 2008, 10:03:22 AM »
Jimmy Buffet wrote a song for those guys...

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Re: Minor rant
« Reply #4 on: June 11, 2008, 10:31:18 AM »
Charlie, you did the right thing by being quiet. The hardest thing is to bite down and not respond to idiots. After about 4 years of restoring 2 bikes the best a very good friend could say was he couldn't believe I would use allen head screws. What do you do? I don't talk to him much anymore. The people that understand or try to understand what you're doing are the important ones. The rest, let them look because they probably can't do what you're doing anyway. Having said that, I did respond to "get a real bike" in a short, hot, burst of temper. He understood my point and left.
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Re: Minor rant
« Reply #5 on: June 11, 2008, 10:36:49 AM »
I would have just politely asked the naysayers how many 400F's they've saved from the scrapper. 

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Re: Minor rant
« Reply #6 on: June 11, 2008, 11:03:30 AM »
those were just the anguished cries of folks engulfed in envy.  "but its not real!" they cry.  "It's a replica!" they proclaim.  "a cb400" they bleat.  Anything to explain to themselves why they didnt think of it first. 

don't let anyone tell you you made the wrong kind of lemonade from that lemon.  it is as sweet as can be. 

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Re: Minor rant
« Reply #7 on: June 11, 2008, 11:12:21 AM »
F 'em.  If you feel the need to respond (this is the sort of thing what would eat at me), carry a "before" picture.  Tell them you didn't ruin it, you saved it.  The ruining happened before you came along.

And good on you for taking on the project in the first place.

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Re: Minor rant
« Reply #8 on: June 11, 2008, 11:17:28 AM »
Some people are totally backwards when it comes to their ideas of "a waist of time" and/or get off complaining about what others do. My step son's father, for example, thinks that building model railroads and creating other things (like custom bikes) are a waist of time. His idea of good time spent is downloading music and games (illegally) while his son spends most of his time playing video games.  Oh and of course soccer.  Can't spend too much time playing soccer! Sorry to all those soccer fans out there. :)
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Re: Minor rant
« Reply #9 on: June 11, 2008, 11:22:05 AM »
Charlie,

You have an amazing looking bike and dont let anyone tell you differently.

Now get out and ride it and as you pass the "purists" give them a little wave and watch them receding into the distance as you take off......

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Re: Minor rant
« Reply #10 on: June 11, 2008, 12:16:36 PM »
Charlie,

You have an amazing looking bike and dont let anyone tell you differently.

Now get out and ride it and as you pass the "purists" give them a little wave and watch them receding into the distance as you take off......

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But maybe at the next show, you could have a picture of what it looked like when you got it.  If you have one.  And also, feel free to tell those types to quietly move along, and have a great big smile on your face while telling 'em.
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Re: Minor rant
« Reply #11 on: June 11, 2008, 12:38:38 PM »
Charlie, IMO what you did by making a Honda Racing replica does more to preserve Honda's history than simply saving a bike from the wrecker.

You created an example of an important piece of history; Honda's racing heritage. Without which Honda wouldn't be the company it is today.

You're proud of your bike and a lot of folks here think it's pretty sweet too.

But.... there will always be those who just don't see it and a few of them will feel compelled to tell you about it. Now way to understand it, just shrug it off or rant in the open forum  ;D

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Re: Minor rant
« Reply #12 on: June 11, 2008, 12:57:51 PM »
In my opinion, the only person the "ruined" the bike was the previous owner by letting get to the $200 condition...... that's the guy than needs his nuts rearranged.  I look at it as your way of bringing the past to life, even though it's not an "authentic" bike, who cares what they think.

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« Reply #13 on: June 11, 2008, 01:22:27 PM »
I think we old bike lovers should now join together in a group hug to increase our feeling of togetherness against the hordes of non-believers....  ;D

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Re: Minor rant
« Reply #14 on: June 11, 2008, 01:31:11 PM »
TO me, its not about how my bike came out, but about dealing with folks so filled with negative energy that they can do nothing but try and bring you down with them. Many of us on here work on our own bikes, many create custom project bikes of their own creation. As such, I think most of us would have a bit more appreciation of what all is involved in rebuidling/building a bike. I sure most of us don't expect everyone to absolutely love our individual little creations. WE all have our own personalities, our own prefertences, our own likes and dislikes. Otherwise, we'd all be building identical bikes painted the same color. Going thru pics on this site, there are bikes I think are gorgeous, others I like and are ok. And, yes some that are, well, hey , if that what he likes, then cool. Now maybe I haven't come across it yet, but I haven't seen anyone on here lambast somebody elses taste or skills in a totally negative manner. I've seen some preferences expressed, some alternative suggestions made. But for the most part, what I have seen is respectful commentary. Have a hunch its because it comes from folks who have scrapped knuckles and grease under their fingernails!

One gentleman told me he thought it was a sin what I did to teh 400, but that inspite of that he thought I did a beautiful job with the direction I took with the bike. Said, not his cup of tea, but good job. Now I have no problem with a comment like that. He didn't like the path I took, but he could appreciate the work adn the outcome. Fair enough.

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Re: Minor rant
« Reply #15 on: June 11, 2008, 01:53:14 PM »
You can at least console yourself with the fact that the people with negative comments are either envious of your dedication and workmanship, the bike itself, or both. 

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Re: Minor rant
« Reply #16 on: June 11, 2008, 01:57:02 PM »
(beat me by 4 minutes Gordon  ;D)


Like others said...envy. Envious that they don`t have a cool-azz "replica", envious that they have two hands and 12 thumbs and NO mechanical ability. Nothing more than the Moto equivalent of an armchair quarterback. Don`t let it stress ya...too much, efff them, at the end of the day it`s YOU who gets to enjoy the ride not them.
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Re: Minor rant
« Reply #17 on: June 11, 2008, 01:59:34 PM »
A lot of times people dislike machines that their owners have taken the time to restore to their former glory or in your case evolve them into a higher spec version of the model...One thing i hear a lot with the Interceptor is "why dont you get something newer or when are you getting something newer?" One of my sportbike riding friends who rides a new 600rr rode the Interceptor once and walked away shaking his head wondering how i was able to ride the bike the way it is...his comment after that was "if you can ride that bike with all its flaws a newer bike will be no problem for you to get the most out of it"...I kinda shrug stuff like that off especially when the group is together and people gather around the older bike respecting the fact i have taken the time to get it back onto the street.
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« Reply #18 on: June 11, 2008, 02:31:35 PM »
I just ask people like that, "Which one of these bikes did YOU bring to the show?"  They usually don't have an answer and they don't hang around too long after that.  Cool bikes talk and BS walks.  I have done quite a few restorations and one cafe bike.  The cafe bike was more fun than all of the rest combined.  Gotta do another one.  Do what makes YOU happy and the heck with the detractors.

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Re: Minor rant
« Reply #19 on: June 11, 2008, 05:36:49 PM »
I just ask people like that, "Which one of these bikes did YOU bring to the show?"  They usually don't have an answer and they don't hang around too long after that.  Cool bikes talk and BS walks.  I have done quite a few restorations and one cafe bike.  The cafe bike was more fun than all of the rest combined.  Gotta do another one.  Do what makes YOU happy and the heck with the detractors.
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Re: Minor rant
« Reply #20 on: June 11, 2008, 06:24:20 PM »
Hey Darkrider, does this look kind of familar??



THat's my '84 interceptor. Ride it when I want to feel 20yrs younger!
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Re: Minor rant
« Reply #21 on: June 11, 2008, 06:27:59 PM »

         Well done Charlie! Well done indeed! ;) It takes a MAN to retain his composure and not return insults and such. At any given time, not sure how many of us (myself included) could have handled it so well. Any nicely put together thought, is usually thought of after the fact, in my case anyway. There have been times that I've thought, "Why did they do that to that bike or car?" But, I don't say it because, it's not my bike or car and besides, the bike or car belongs TO THAT person and it's his decision that counts. Now, I sure hate to see a bike chopped up and butchered, like we see now and again, but that's a bit different. Still in all, we don't tell that person about it, we talk about it here amongst ourselves. ;D At any rate, my hat's off to you for keeping your composure. 8) ;) 

           BTW Charlie, nice Interceptor and I'm sure Chris will appreciate seeing it too. ;)
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Re: Minor rant
« Reply #22 on: June 11, 2008, 07:10:46 PM »
You did the right thing charlie, like has been said, envy is a nasty disease. :D :D :D :D :D

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Re: Minor rant
« Reply #23 on: June 11, 2008, 07:42:43 PM »
Hey Darkrider, does this look kind of familar??



THat's my '84 interceptor. Ride it when I want to feel 20yrs younger!

Yea i must say...it does look  quite familiar...



This is my 85. I ride it all the time...i can appreciate the newer machines but...Bikes like the Interceptor were the kings of the streets when i was a kid...so of course i would rather like to ride one of the originals instead of a cookie cutter bike..the one upside to the poker run i took..was that i finally got to push myself and my bike to the limit and get to understand just what it was that made the old Interceptor what it was...sorry for the hijack man..
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« Reply #24 on: June 11, 2008, 08:19:16 PM »
Charlie, you did the right thing. The comments would have torqued me, too.

Some time back, I heard a story about the man who had no joy. Essentially, something wonderful happens to this man, but wherever he goes, he can't share it with anyone. In the end, he really doesn't have joy anymore because he doesn't have someone to share his joy with.

So, that's kind of a backwards way of saying that I enjoy sharing other people's joy. I like to ask the questions that get that proud but reserved response. It doesn't matter if it's about grandkids, bikes or kite flying. Sometimes, I may not care about the subject, but I always enjoy sharing their joy. The members here are like that about our bikes.

I don't know why the heck anyone would go to a show and drag somebody down instead of asking some interesting questions and striking up a conversation.
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Re: Minor rant
« Reply #25 on: June 12, 2008, 07:49:07 AM »
A freind of mine is into restoring the dohc hondas 750's, 900's, 1100's etc. He's into those because that was where he left off back in the day. he didn't have the money back then to own one, but now he can afford them. He has picked up where he left off in motorcycling 25 years ago. He doesn't care what anyone else thinks either.

         That's just it, a person does it because HE wants to and for Himself, Not for anyone else! Some folks just don't get it and probably Never will! ::) No matter, YOU did good and that's what counts. ;)
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Re: Minor rant
« Reply #26 on: June 12, 2008, 08:53:35 AM »
The kind of people that will whine about a project someone esle has done are everywhere, and share a common trait - they haven't done or can't do it themselves.  A neighbor came over to inspect a deck the wife and I were building.  His only comment was, "I really don't like the way you've done those foundation blocks."  Later his wife came over to tell use we hadn't done the railing right.  Both comments were answered with, "Oh well, that's the way we like it" and then a change of subject.  People like that are best handled the way you did.  Politely ignore them.

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Re: Minor rant
« Reply #27 on: June 12, 2008, 05:50:54 PM »
I agree with the above...most of the time i just shrug off remarks about the old bike...i can imagine its gonna get worse when i get the CBs out...but the best way to handle it is to just smile and nod then change topics...
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Re: Minor rant
« Reply #28 on: June 13, 2008, 06:22:52 AM »
The old saying about misery and company really holds true. Those people who spoke badly about your bike probably watch all of those perfect 400Fs on ebay pass by because they have no money, or any place in their house for storage, or their wives won't let them have one. They bitterly pick on your bike because you have what they can't. People like that aren't even worth wasting your time coming up with a retort.
I have a really effective "you're far too stupid to even be talking to me" look that I bring out in times like those. It always seems to get the job done without any confrontation. You should perfect one too.

For the record, I love what you have done with that bike.