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Re: Phaedrus II: CB750 "Super Standard" - Update 08/08/10- w/ new pics
« Reply #1375 on: August 13, 2010, 08:39:49 AM »
Thx Terry: I have distant memories of the ideas that 29mm smoothbores are the equivalent of something larger in other designs. I know I have a lot of miles on those, hard to believe i parked that bike in 1995. But that engine ran great for a long time.

I'm hoping my next project will be the 75F I have. The engine would be a high revving (never had one) 750cc engine, and that's where the 2nd set of Smoothbores goes.

That's OK Ecosse. Don't mind having pictures of Terry's stuff in the thread, and the comments it brings. Classes up the joint a bit. Hard to beat the visual impact of that RC block, capped off with the carbs, and homemade bits.  I always thought cutting the faux bit off the tranny cover gave it a business like look.

My engine won't be no slouch either, tho not a 1000cc, its 888cc, with all the goodies. The reinforced rocker box and carbs will give it away.
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Re: Phaedrus II: CB750 "Super Standard" - Update 08/08/10- w/ new pics
« Reply #1376 on: August 13, 2010, 10:49:55 AM »
my artsy-ness just had an idea: i like the way 'triple eight' sounds and thought it would be cool to have a factory looking decal made up for the side covers. alternately, one done up in 1970's pop font... maybe as wild as something seen on a janis joplin concert poster- forget what that's called- or maybe not that wild.  ???

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« Reply #1377 on: August 13, 2010, 11:55:52 AM »
my artsy-ness just had an idea: i like the way 'triple eight' sounds and thought it would be cool to have a factory looking decal made up for the side covers. alternately, one done up in 1970's pop font... maybe as wild as something seen on a janis joplin concert poster- forget what that's called- or maybe not that wild.  ???

just a thought. 
yeah, I've toyed around with that as well. "Crazy 8s" and stuff like that. If I were running smoothed over side covers they'd definitely get something, but with the stock emblems in place there's not much room.

You don't mean Psychledelic do you?   ;)
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Re: Phaedrus II: CB750 "Super Standard" - Update 08/08/10- w/ new pics
« Reply #1378 on: August 13, 2010, 01:56:37 PM »
...but with the stock emblems in place there's not much room.

yeah, don't wanna crowd the surface. and keeping the factory emblems seems the exception these day and hence, unique?


You don't mean Psychledelic do you?   ;)

naw...i dunno actually. i thought there was a specific term for that stuff named after the artist/region, whatever, it originated. it began as poster art i think and took off from there.

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Re: Phaedrus II: CB750 "Super Standard" - Update 08/08/10- w/ new pics
« Reply #1379 on: August 13, 2010, 02:05:38 PM »
found this and looks like you were right. i put in bold what i think i had in mind.

"Leading proponents of the 1960s Psychedelic Art movement were San Francisco poster artists such as: Rick Griffin, Victor Moscoso, Stanley Mouse & Alton Kelley, and Wes Wilson. Their Psychedelic Rock concert posters were inspired by Art Nouveau, Victoriana, Dada, and Pop Art. The "Fillmore Posters" were among the most notable of the time. Richly saturated colors in glaring contrast, elaborately ornate lettering, strongly symmetrical composition, collage elements, rubber-like distortions, and bizarre iconography are all hallmarks of the San Francisco psychedelic poster art style. The style flourished from about 1966 - 1972. Their work was immediately influential to album cover art, and indeed all of the aforementioned artists also created album covers."

- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychedelic_art

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Re: Phaedrus II: CB750 "Super Standard" - Update 08/08/10- w/ new pics
« Reply #1380 on: August 13, 2010, 02:27:22 PM »
I thought you were kidding. I figured everybody had Psychedelic front and center. But at age 44 you were just getting started and I was right in the middle of it. My impressionable teens.

And did you catch the extra "l" I added? The obvious pun is "cycledelic".  I would go for that paint job in a second, with "Phaedrus" as the lettering, if I could get someone to do it authentically.  I'll print that and keep it to show the guy I have tentatively penciled in as painter.

Not exact of course, but that style. I want a wolf's head in there somewhere. Barred teeth and blood dripping. Maybe gold leaf.
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Re: Phaedrus II: CB750 "Super Standard" - Update 08/08/10- w/ new pics
« Reply #1381 on: August 13, 2010, 03:03:48 PM »
sorry, i'm a little slow... the 60's ya know.  ;D actually i was on facebook chatting at the time and i suck at doing more than a thing at a time. again... i blame the 60's.  ::)



seriously, it would be very cool to see a psychedelic take on the wolfs head!



fyi: i did know that art was from the psychedelic era... but was think a specific term. its an art thing.  :D



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Re: Phaedrus II: CB750 "Super Standard" - Update 08/08/10- w/ new pics
« Reply #1382 on: August 14, 2010, 01:05:59 PM »
You've got me looking for Psychedelic painters. There are internet references to Harpoon, the guy who painted the bike in your post, but no solid leads. His website HarpoonKustomPaint is not functioning. I found one that even used the pun "Cycle-delic" on their site, one in Cincinnati which is 2.5 hours away.

One guy kept popping up, Larry Walker I think it was, fantastic Psychedelic work, just passed away.

A blood dripping wolf may not square with peace love and understanding.

But I can still ask my guy he may be able to do it, I don't know, he's local, pretty good.
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« Reply #1383 on: August 14, 2010, 01:29:26 PM »
A blood dripping wolf may not square with peace love and understanding.

you have no idea how many times i just started to type something only to delete it. all politically based. soo proud of my self.  :D

never having hallucinated myself (well there was that one time i went 50+ hours without sleep) i can only imagine a fearsome wolf could enter into one's "experience" if they had a bad trip.

seriously, i think there's real possibilities! good luck in your hunt.



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« Reply #1384 on: August 14, 2010, 02:12:12 PM »

A blood dripping wolf may not square with peace love and understanding.
 

You could always have the drips of blood flow into flowers of peace, love, and understanding  ;D

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« Reply #1385 on: August 14, 2010, 02:39:36 PM »

A blood dripping wolf may not square with peace love and understanding.
 

You could always have the drips of blood flow into flowers of peace, love, and understanding  ;D

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« Reply #1386 on: August 15, 2010, 01:10:07 AM »
You've got me looking for Psychedelic painters. There are internet references to Harpoon, the guy who painted the bike in your post, but no solid leads. His website HarpoonKustomPaint is not functioning. I found one that even used the pun "Cycle-delic" on their site, one in Cincinnati which is 2.5 hours away.

One guy kept popping up, Larry Walker I think it was, fantastic Psychedelic work, just passed away.

A blood dripping wolf may not square with peace love and understanding.

But I can still ask my guy he may be able to do it, I don't know, he's local, pretty good.

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Reading all this stuff about the 60's San Francisco..Psychedelic/Fillmore Art..reminded me..Ron..that it's about the same time that Persig (sp?) wrote Zen of Motorcycle Maintenance..isn't it?

So..it seems perfectly suited to perhaps a stylized logo on Phaedrus II doesn't it?

BTW; having grown up around all of that Hippie/peace and love stuff myself (didn't really relate to it until I got discharged from the Navy..post Viet Nam..in '68)..I remember that all of the art/iconography wasn't completely lovey-lighty.  Some of it was pretty nihilistic/dark (there were "bad trips" going on too..along with the "far-out" stuff).

Seems like if you can get one of the artists that did/still does that kind of stuff..that they should be able to come up with a "period correct" Fillmore-type rendition of a wolf's head (maybe dripping ectoplasm..rather than blood from it's fangs though).

Think I saw some relatively recent retro-graphic stuff on the Pink Taco..other retro-choppers..still coming out of California.  Must be some of these old guys still around (I'm still here..tho not an artist by any means).

I'll post again on this..if I happen to remember some actual sources.

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Re: Phaedrus II: CB750 "Super Standard" - Update 08/08/10- w/ new pics
« Reply #1387 on: August 15, 2010, 10:20:50 AM »
glad you brought up the less pacifist side of the era, al. i'm old enough to remember actual "period correct" hippy types.  :D

my best friend at one time had the hippy parents. the dad was in a popular local band "the fat" and I'd seen that friend get the switch for misbehaving more than once!

we're all creatures with a full range of emotion to say the least. and then there are the bad trips.

as for the retro (hate that word) thing going on in ca. some of it is kept alive by ppl my age and younger i think. but surely fueled by the survivors of the 'boomer generation.



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Re: Phaedrus II: CB750 "Super Standard" - Update 08/08/10- w/ new pics
« Reply #1388 on: August 15, 2010, 11:46:34 AM »
Al: If I have the timeline correct: Pirsig rode a 64 CB77 Superhawk, bot in 66, the trip was in 68, took 4 years to write the book, and after 4 more years and hundreds of turndowns, got published in 76. That took some perseverence.

So yes it was in the psychedelic period.

So I may find some blend that works. First I gotta get er running. Paint will be the easy part. Someone else does it, and the parts drop on.

From the searching I've been doing looks like that period design work is making a comeback.

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« Reply #1389 on: August 15, 2010, 06:14:02 PM »
I did a quick search on the google machine under "custom motorcycle paint" and there was no end of companies listed in the US who I reckon (looking at their galleries) could do a good job for you Ron.

My tank on my K1 was done by a guy in the US called Wojowicz in 1974, (I only know this because he signed the tank) the tank came from a member here from Boston, but I've got no idea where "Wojo" operated from. He did a great job, and with a coat of clear his artwork is still holding up after 36 years of "questionable" care.

Someone here mentioned that he knew him (Hondaman?) but I guess he'd be an old man by now, if the paint fumes haven't killed him by now, ha ha! Cheers, Terry. ;D

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« Reply #1390 on: August 16, 2010, 10:05:25 AM »
Terry: Thanks, and I've seen your pictures of that tank, very nice.  Yeah there are plenty of people local to Indy. I've just got to do the search.

I've had some paintjobs in the past, but not one that I can really say was satisfying. So the search continues.

My powder coater (Indy Powder Coating) has a paint shop and they farm out the fancy stuff to a local guy. I'll be giving him the first go around. They think he can do it. But if I don't like it, I may trash it and try again. Of course that depends on the budget.

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Re: Phaedrus II: CB750 "Super Standard" - Update 08/08/10- w/ new pics
« Reply #1391 on: August 16, 2010, 12:06:20 PM »
I've seen some pretty dark 'psychedelic' art, It's not all peace and love. Like someone said- acid trips go bad, too. :D

Anyway, I was looking at some psychedelic art and this popped up.  I kind of liked it and wondered if was anywhere close to what you were thinking... maybe with different colors, though. (obviously, just the head and shoulders, as per your usual Phaedrus design)



there are some interesting pics here:
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if you can ignore whatever they're talking about. :P
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« Reply #1392 on: August 16, 2010, 01:44:59 PM »
Kit: wow, those all (well most) have possibilities, thanks!
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« Reply #1393 on: August 16, 2010, 02:53:07 PM »
I've seen some pretty dark 'psychedelic' art, It's not all peace and love. Like someone said- acid trips go bad, too. :D

Anyway, I was looking at some psychedelic art and this popped up.  I kind of liked it and wondered if was anywhere close to what you were thinking... maybe with different colors, though. (obviously, just the head and shoulders, as per your usual Phaedrus design)



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Yeah..those were really cool pics Kit!  Maybe Ron can have a painter/artist modify one of those a little bit..so's it looks more personalized for Phaedrus II?

BTW: I was thinking that we may need to start calling you "Okami"..instead of "Kitsune"..now!? [Okame=wolf..Kitsune=fox..in Japanese]

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Re: Phaedrus II: CB750 "Super Standard" - Update 08/08/10- w/ new pics
« Reply #1394 on: August 16, 2010, 06:15:09 PM »
no, noo, Ichi.  I'm far too fond of the kitsune yokai to change my mind now. :)  They were the inspiration for my fox paw tattoos, so I think I'm stuck :D

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« Reply #1395 on: August 16, 2010, 06:22:07 PM »
Kit: wow, those all (well most) have possibilities, thanks!
You put a unicorn wolf on your bike, and I definitely won't crash the roll out party.  :D
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« Reply #1396 on: August 16, 2010, 06:29:16 PM »
this is one of those cases where I'm happy to say I cannot be held responsible for others' artistic ...er... license.
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« Reply #1397 on: August 16, 2010, 06:46:43 PM »
Kit: wow, those all (well most) have possibilities, thanks!
You put a unicorn wolf on your bike, and I definitely won't crash the roll out party.  :D
Sounds like a dare to me.

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« Reply #1398 on: August 17, 2010, 06:48:28 PM »
A little late with the update, we had a shortened session on Sunday. But I've been working on things throughout the week so time served.  With the carbs buttoned up, we noticed a couple of needles had some shellac on them. A toothbrush with "goofoff" shined them up.

Admittedly I've wimped out on the carb rebuild. I was not going to undo the lift mechanism just for the sport of it. It worked when I rode it, and shows no reason it won't work now. The soda cleaned everything spic and span, a thourough rinse removed it all. A litght oiling.  We did remove the float bowls and all the brass, thouroughly cleaned all jets, holders, float valves, and passages. The size/number of each has been noted in notebook. It would be the ultimate of luck that we won't need to change some when run time actually comes. The escape hatch on the bottom of each float bowl allows for changing mainjets without removing the floatbowl.

Refresh may be better. But I think we've got workable carbs. Stashed in a garbage bag, ready for the shelf.


At a members suggestion, the black lever is soaking in Oven Cleaner to get the anodizing off.

nasty stuff.
And finally, back to the MC itself. At which point we've run out of time. Of all the things I've ever done, I've never rebuilt a MC and I'm procrastinating. I've had MCs fail on me, but I've always bot good used replacements rather than rebuild what i had. So this is new. I know I read where many of you have rebuilt them, piece of cake. So its a hump for me.


So, rejuvenation time. I'll be missing this weekend update,  heading out Friday AM on the mighty FJR to a meet with the MSTA (Motorcycle Sport Touring ASsoc. ) These guys are many ex-racers, current Iron Butt riders and other serious sorts. serious equipment and serious skills. I'll be shaking out the cobwebs myself but looking forward to it. In the sub-mountains of West VA. See ya when I get back.
Ride Safe:
Ron
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« Reply #1399 on: August 17, 2010, 06:55:45 PM »


looking good ron, enjoy your trip!

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