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Re: Phaedrus II: CB750 "Super Standard" - Update 09/18/11- w/ new pics
« Reply #1875 on: September 19, 2011, 06:33:07 AM »
She's really coming together! 

My vote would be for button head screws - I like the larger surface area for spreading out the surface load.

That 4 prong socket is invaluble for working on older Hondas - oil slingers in the old twins & singles, clutches on almost everything from ATC's to Z50's...  Really a must have!

Keep up the great work!
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Re: Phaedrus II: CB750 "Super Standard" - Update 09/18/11- w/ new pics
« Reply #1876 on: September 19, 2011, 07:36:49 AM »
I kinda like the button heads myself, but it does look like a mix and match if i do that. And its all about looks, I'm not too concerned about the "load".  ;) 

Maybe I'll just alternate, buttonheads one week, allens the next.  ;D
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« Reply #1877 on: September 19, 2011, 11:47:18 AM »
TinTop: Thanks I think.

As to the speed of the build, I knew it would take a long time, but not this long. We've run into many a roadblock that required backing up and starting over. Rusty gas tank, mismatched lower legs, front wheel sizing, etc. But we've been pretty steady at a few hours every week hardly missing a week.

the build theme was: "all the things that I'd wished I could do back when i was riding it regularly, I'll do". That list keeps growing as we go. I'd never even heard of cryogenics when I was riding it, but we added that to the list, and lots more.

I've been on the MotionPro website for custom cables. They have this "ArmorCoat" stainless braid with clearcoat and chrome fittings that sounds like it will match the Goodridge brake hoses. We may have to have them.

And by we i mean me and my "build buddy" Bruce who stays pretty well in the background. But he's a great friend that got me going on the project once again many years ago by offering to come over every Sunday AM "for a few months" to "finish" Phaedrus. Its been his steady Freddie encouragement that's kept us at it so long. He's barely missed a Sunday going on 3.5 years. He mentioned once it was kinda meditative for him as well.

My Mom says we're going to Church. She always says she'll call after Church.

So I am a little apprehensive that after all this we'll go to start it and something won't be right. But can't let that get in the way. Its only nuts and bolts and anything can be fixed.

So I'm ordering a new sub-harness and gear shift pedal today. The original harness has hardened into a stick. I thought i could use it, but..
And the shift pedal has this nasty gash in it where I dug it into the pavement during some swift left hand turns.  No such blemishes allowed.  :)

Our target dates keep getting pushed back, but they keep us going. Thanskgiving for a start. That gives us winter for fixing problems and getting a paint job. Then a Spring rollout.
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Re: Phaedrus II: CB750 "Super Standard" - Update 09/18/11- w/ new pics
« Reply #1878 on: September 19, 2011, 03:15:43 PM »
+1 on the Motion Pro ArmorCoat cables.  I looked at using those on the 550.  Maybe it will still get them, when I do my ' I wish I had done this the first time', semi rebuild.

Don't know how many times I wished I had a 'build buddy'.  That 3RD hand can be very useful. ;) :)
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Re: Phaedrus II: CB750 "Super Standard" - Update 09/18/11- w/ new pics
« Reply #1879 on: September 19, 2011, 08:31:55 PM »
+1 on the Motion Pro ArmorCoat cables.  I looked at using those on the 550.  Maybe it will still get them, when I do my ' I wish I had done this the first time', semi rebuild.

Don't know how many times I wished I had a 'build buddy'.  That 3RD hand can be very useful. ;) :)
Some times there's 2 left hands in the photos. Looks weird.  :D
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Re: Phaedrus II: CB750 "Super Standard" - Update 09/18/11- w/ new pics
« Reply #1880 on: September 23, 2011, 01:23:07 PM »
Use GASKACINCH brand sealer for the case halves.
It has been around since the 1960's at least and is made just for that very reason as you caught in your photo. Little bits do not break off and clog up oil galleries.

Remember GASKACINCH sealer. The only one made just for this job.
When the case halves are clean put one light coat on each case half. Let it dry then put the cases together. It is a little bit like rubber cement.

DO NOT USE SILICONE!
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Re: Phaedrus II: CB750 "Super Standard" - Update 09/18/11- w/ new pics
« Reply #1881 on: September 23, 2011, 01:36:58 PM »
Use GASKACINCH brand sealer for the case halves.
It has been around since the 1960's at least and is made just for that very reason as you caught in your photo. Little bits do not break off and clog up oil galleries.

Remember GASKACINCH sealer. The only one made just for this job.
When the case halves are clean put one light coat on each case half. Let it dry then put the cases together. It is a little bit like rubber cement.

DO NOT USE SILICONE!
Man, don't know where you're coming from sometimes. That's ancient history, I'm all over gasgacinch. I've been referring people to gasgacinch for years on the forum. And warning about silicone. Search "elephant snot". 

Thanks anyway.   ???
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Re: Phaedrus II: CB750 "Super Standard" - Update 09/18/11- w/ new pics
« Reply #1882 on: September 25, 2011, 01:00:40 AM »
Gaskacinch eh? Never heard of it, I might give it a shot. I usually use Threebond 1104, but apparently it contains silicon too? Cheers, Terry. ;D
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Re: Phaedrus II: CB750 "Super Standard" - Update 09/18/11- w/ new pics
« Reply #1883 on: September 25, 2011, 11:09:35 AM »
On to the next thing. Big disappointment. Ordered the subharness from the alt to the loom. 2 Orings for the oil lines, new ball plate lifter for the clutch. Ordered from Motogrid on Monday. Thursday I get a notice order cancelled. All parts discontinued. Bummer.

So I have the old harness, but it is hard as a stick. I looked in what's left of the CycleX gasket set and I don't see any oil line Orings. I can get by using the old lifter ball plate. Just would have been nice to have a new one.

First thing, had to pull the alternator cover and rotor to install the lonely left over oil seal I'd left out last week. I'd put a post in SOHC4 forum asking to help me ID the left over oil seal. Got good help quickly to ID it a being one on the starter gear.

I'd elected to put them on dry so no issues tearing a gasket.



Turns out the starter gear still had the old one in it, which would have been OK probably, but i didn't know for sure and since its out, the new onegoes in.

Got out the VM29 manifolds, currently unobtanium, though i have 2 sets. Stainless Steel clamps from Carpy (I throw him a bone every now and then).

We were hoping to get the carbs on so we can measure the cables and have new ones made by motion Pro. Didn't get that far. May yet tonight. Gotta get those cables ordered.

Trying to remember how the wiring goes. Anyone got a shot of their wiring in the sprocket cover area? And how the neutral light switch wire goes. There are little rubberized straps about 1.5" long for holding wires in place. I've lost touch with where these go as well, incl the one on the ignition wire right side. Clues would be helpful.



Replaced the clutch cover and measured that cable for MotionPro.


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Re: Phaedrus II: CB750 "Super Standard" - Update 09/25/11- w/ new pics
« Reply #1884 on: September 25, 2011, 05:19:54 PM »
G'Day Ron, I bought a couple of the small harness' from CMSNL for 25 Euro's (not sure what that is in real money) but it sure saved me a headache, as the oil pressure light wouldn't go off and the neautral light didn't work before I replaced it. Their service was good too, I ordered them on a Sunday night, and had them here by the following Friday. Cheers, Terry. ;D

http://www.cmsnl.com/products/wire-harnessaltntr_31110300154/
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So I said, "Hey mate, you haven't got any bike boots you don't need, do you?"

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Re: Phaedrus II: CB750 "Super Standard" - Update 09/25/11- w/ new pics
« Reply #1885 on: September 25, 2011, 05:43:08 PM »
G'Day Ron, I bought a couple of the small harness' from CMSNL for 25 Euro's (not sure what that is in real money) but it sure saved me a headache, as the oil pressure light wouldn't go off and the neautral light didn't work before I replaced it. Their service was good too, I ordered them on a Sunday night, and had them here by the following Friday. Cheers, Terry. ;D

http://www.cmsnl.com/products/wire-harnessaltntr_31110300154/
I see that. Hmmmm. I went there Friday night and dialed up the microfishies and tried to order it from them, and it said in big letters discontinued. The ORings and clutch liftrer plate as well, same as motogrid.

The harness link you are showing me looks completely different. Price is right. I will pursue that, but I'm curious what the difference is?
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Re: Phaedrus II: CB750 "Super Standard" - Update 09/25/11- w/ new pics
« Reply #1886 on: September 25, 2011, 05:56:03 PM »
G'Day Ron, yep, when I looked for it this morning, it said that the item listed in the parts manual was discontinued, but to click on the link for the replacement item, which is what I posted. Cheers, Terry. ;D
I was feeling sorry for myself because I couldn't afford new bike boots, until I met a man with no legs.

So I said, "Hey mate, you haven't got any bike boots you don't need, do you?"

"Crazy is a very misunderstood term, it's a fine line that some of us can lean over and still keep our balance" (thanks RB550Four)

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Re: Phaedrus II: CB750 "Super Standard" - Update 09/25/11- w/ new pics
« Reply #1887 on: September 25, 2011, 06:00:11 PM »
G'Day Ron, yep, when I looked for it this morning, it said that the item listed in the parts manual was discontinued, but to click on the link for the replacement item, which is what I posted. Cheers, Terry. ;D
Thanks for the second effort. I am trying now and am seeming to have better luck.

It is amazing how stiff the original part is now. It is truly like a stick. If i can score a fresh one I'll keep the stick for a future rebuild that will be a lower standard.

Thanks again. I've never ordered from CMSNL, but I know it comes up a lot as a good supplier on various threads.
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Re: Phaedrus II: CB750 "Super Standard" - Update 09/25/11- w/ new pics
« Reply #1888 on: September 25, 2011, 06:07:05 PM »
No worries Ron, and considering what you've already spent so far, for 25 Euro's you could probably afford to buy a spare for your next project and throw that brittle old stick away.............. ;D
I was feeling sorry for myself because I couldn't afford new bike boots, until I met a man with no legs.

So I said, "Hey mate, you haven't got any bike boots you don't need, do you?"

"Crazy is a very misunderstood term, it's a fine line that some of us can lean over and still keep our balance" (thanks RB550Four)

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I was feeling sorry for myself because I couldn't afford new bike boots, until I met a man with no legs.

So I said, "Hey mate, you haven't got any bike boots you don't need, do you?"

"Crazy is a very misunderstood term, it's a fine line that some of us can lean over and still keep our balance" (thanks RB550Four)

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Re: Phaedrus II: CB750 "Super Standard" - Update 09/25/11- w/ new pics
« Reply #1890 on: September 25, 2011, 08:21:55 PM »
Here you go Ron, here's one of those clutch thingies you're looking for. ;D

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/CB750-NOS-Clutch-release-shaft-K0-K1-Sandcast-CB-750-69-70-71-22820-300-000-/160657197443?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&hash=item2567ea4983
Thanks, but of the 3 bits, that's the one I wasn't interested in replacing. The one with the balls is my real interest. But i completely spaced looking at eBay.

Afterrunning thru the buying routine at CMSNL, the shipping came out to nearly $30, so I'm cooling off.Yamiya has the sub-harness as well, but for more money, though their shipping is more reasonable.   Best for me to set it all aside and do something else for a while.

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Re: Phaedrus II: CB750 "Super Standard" - Update 09/25/11- w/ new pics
« Reply #1891 on: September 25, 2011, 09:15:25 PM »
I also got that same wiring harness from alternator to main wiring harness and I got it from YAMIYA. A very well made product.
Check your stator though first because if you do need a new stator some come with a very long wiring harness and you may not need that extension OEM harness.

I am doing a complete build of a 78 also and the frame will be gold. It is being powder coated now.

As far as the recommendation for GASKACINCH ...I have no way to know what each member here already knows. I just put out the info, and you may already know about it.
I am not being condescending in any way.
Thanks for sharing the photos of your build.


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Re: Phaedrus II: CB750 "Super Standard" - Update 09/25/11- w/ new pics
« Reply #1892 on: September 25, 2011, 09:58:01 PM »
I also got that same wiring harness from alternator to main wiring harness and I got it from YAMIYA. A very well made product.
Check your stator though first because if you do need a new stator some come with a very long wiring harness and you may not need that extension OEM harness.

I am doing a complete build of a 78 also and the frame will be gold. It is being powder coated now.

As far as the recommendation for GASKACINCH ...I have no way to know what each member here already knows. I just put out the info, and you may already know about it.
I am not being condescending in any way.
Thanks for sharing the photos of your build.
Yup, I just bot the Yamiya piece as I needed a few other things they had. And shipping was less than CMSNL by almost half. Always have good luck with Yamiya.

Hope I get mine finished before you do.   :D

I understand.

You're welcome.
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Re: Phaedrus II: CB750 "Super Standard" - Update 09/25/11- w/ new pics
« Reply #1893 on: September 27, 2011, 09:01:18 PM »
Got the order in to MotionPro for some form fitting cables, all in their "ArmorCoat": stainless steel braid with clear coat and chrome fittings. Should match the goodridge brake lines nicely. Getting them 3" shorter clutch and 4" shorter throttles to eliminate the "flapping in the breeze" of stock length. Not super low bars, but Euro touring bars, a little lower and narrower.

Tach and Speedo also in ArmorCoat, but stock length.

They close for inventory this week so slight delay in getting them.
 
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Re: Phaedrus II: CB750 "Super Standard" - Update 09/25/11- w/ new pics
« Reply #1894 on: September 27, 2011, 09:06:02 PM »
Those cables sound nice Ron, might have to look into them.    I hope you realise that, buy finishing the bike, this epic thread will come to an end and leave piles of people stick for their next fix.....  Do you plan on a support group or therapy..?    ;D ;D ;)
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« Reply #1895 on: September 27, 2011, 09:11:13 PM »
Those cables sound nice Ron, might have to look into them.    I hope you realise that, buy finishing the bike, this epic thread will come to an end and leave piles of people stick for their next fix.....  Do you plan on a support group or therapy..?    ;D ;D ;)
Yeah I didn't know the ArmorCoat was an option. I just went to the site to get shorter cables, I needed new ones anyway, and there was the option.

As to ending the thread: Hope to get it started Thanksgiving, work out the bugs over the winter, and rollout in spring. So it'll still be a while.

Then I have "FreeBird" to start on. The 75F in my signature. A barebones 750cc cafeRACER, no nod to Cosmetics or any gimcrackery, all go and no show.
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Re: Phaedrus II: CB750 "Super Standard" - Update 09/25/11- w/ new pics
« Reply #1896 on: September 27, 2011, 09:20:45 PM »
Ron, are your eoro bars as low as superbike bars,?  Just wondering what length to get, or how much shorter than stock i will need. ?
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Re: Phaedrus II: CB750 "Super Standard" - Update 09/25/11- w/ new pics
« Reply #1897 on: September 27, 2011, 09:28:26 PM »
I'm purty sure that the Euro & Superbike bars are close to being the same. The drag bars are more strait across .......The Euros/Supers have a little rise to them. I love my Euros.....very compfy!!!!
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Re: Phaedrus II: CB750 "Super Standard" - Update 09/25/11- w/ new pics
« Reply #1898 on: September 27, 2011, 09:30:24 PM »
Thanks Fred, i have 2 sets of superbike bars here, mine look a little lower and not as much room between the bends in the middle {not as wide} , that shouldn't matter with cable length though.... ;)
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Re: Phaedrus II: CB750 "Super Standard" - Update 09/25/11- w/ new pics
« Reply #1899 on: September 28, 2011, 04:54:25 AM »
Everybody's got their own version of what a Euro bar is. Mine are most like a BMW R Series bar. I think its fair to say that Superbike bars are straighter left to right and wider than a "Euro bar" would be. The rise is probably about the same. I bot mine in 1980, I've never seen a pair like them since. Swept back and down. Pic to follow.




Some Euro bars have the same dimensions as Superbike bars from others, the differences can be subtle.
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