Topic: Phaedrus: CB750 RestoMod - Update: 09/23/21 w/ new video

[Trav-i]

Ron,

I had similar problems with different custom builds with LED lighting.  And I've come to use only one flsher for all my builds now this is it

http://www.grote.com/product.php?product_number=44891

I use it with both straight LED lighting, and incandesant and LED.  Works great in both applications.

Hope this helps ya out.

Travis

[Tintop]

+1 Trav-i, that's the kind that will solve the issue.

[MCRider]

I was going to post: Give me a maker and a part number" Got back home and there it is! Thanks trav-i.

The AutoZone guy gave me the location of an electronics wearhouse about 5 miles from here that i was going to tomorrow. Now I have something specific to ask for.

Thanks Guys!

[Trav-i]

No problem!  Took me a few flashers to find that one, it's never let me down yet.

[MCRider]

No problem!  Took me a few flashers to find that one, it's never let me down yet.

OK you've really got my expectations elevated! I went to the electronics store that was supposed to have everything... and they don't have flashers. He told me to go to NAPA. Well, I've been to Autozone, Advance, O'reilly's and they couldn't help. Might as well go to NAPA. Not too far away.

On the way I passed the CarQuest nestled away in a corner lot, so i whipped in. Laid the Grote print out on the counter and said whazzup?  He said no problem, Grote's what we carry. Can't have it till tomorrow at 8AM though. Crap, lay it on me. So I'll pick it up tomorrow AM.

Hard to believe I've got 5 auto stores in a 6 mile radius.

On another note, finally found some craft paint of a suitable match to touch up the frame and case guards, where i had to grind the tab off so the header would fit. 3rd try. Now we can put the header back on. Fightin me every inch of the way, but I'll win. 

Winter weather warning, but its been a mild one so far. This time last year I think we were still melting out of 4 inches of ice?

[Tintop]

Don't talk to me about weather warnings!  We were to get 'possible' freezing rain, then 5" of snow.  After x3 power outages (with attending computer crashes ) finally sent an email @ 2:30PM, I started @ 7:30AM.   Then I had to take 1/4" of ice off my encased truck.   Now it's raining.  These guys can't tell me accurately whats going to happen in the next 24 hours, and yet I'm suppose to believe their global warning predictions.  Rant over.

Good luck tomorrow with the flasher.

[grcamna2]

This bike is AMAZING, great job and I can't wait to see it finished. Quick question (couldn't find the answer in the previous 40 pages or so...), I'm looking for SS oil tank lines as well. I've seen one site list them, but always out of stock. Where did you find yours at? Thanks and keep up the great work!

Got the oil tank clean to suit and mocked up. the Stainless Steel lines are very stiff, and it took some grunting and groaning to get everything to line up. But it did.

+1 on what he says about your Phaedrus II Beauty !!

[Raef]

hey Ron

 Sorry about not getting back quicker. I had some issues with the turn signals on a truck I recently picked up, while at the parts store I was looking at the lights and flashers I used in the bike. The replacement units I am using have several small LEDs (around 12 or 15) and you can see a small resistor in the base of the unit. I am not sure if that resistor is to differentiate the running light from the signals or to add load. I have not got to the bike to check resistance on the bulbs, but I am sure they offer a good bit more resistance than any single LED unit would and that is most likely the reason they work with the flasher I have. I don't know how much current it takes to trip most flashers but several of the flashers were listed as LED compatible, this is something I will have to deal with soon so good luck with the latest, I'll be watching.

Mark

[MCRider]

hey Ron

 Sorry about not getting back quicker. I had some issues with the turn signals on a truck I recently picked up, while at the parts store I was looking at the lights and flashers I used in the bike. The replacement units I am using have several small LEDs (around 12 or 15) and you can see a small resistor in the base of the unit. I am not sure if that resistor is to differentiate the running light from the signals or to add load. I have not got to the bike to check resistance on the bulbs, but I am sure they offer a good bit more resistance than any single LED unit would and that is most likely the reason they work with the flasher I have. I don't know how much current it takes to trip most flashers but several of the flashers were listed as LED compatible, this is something I will have to deal with soon so good luck with the latest, I'll be watching.

Mark

Thanks Mark!
That's making sense, that you already have resistors, etc.

I just got hold of the Grote flasher rec by trav. Fingers crossed, install this weekend. If I get a resolution to this, I'll try to summarize in tricks and tips.  Too many people have done this, for any one person to have to work it out alone.

[MCRider]

Poop, flasher doesn't work! On back burner now. Gotta move ahead with getting it starterd.

"It worked when it was parked"

The Prestolite ignition that served so well for decades and tens of thousands of miles, isn't timing up.   

17 years in a box, maybe it dried out?

[MCRider]

Got some touch up done on frame scratches. Biggest delay there was finding some paint to match. WalMart crafts section, metallic gold, 99¢.

Plugged in the Grote signal flasher. Same problem, all lights on, no flash. Unplug the indicator light, and signals respond to switch left or right, but still no flash. Back burner now, moving on.

Refreshed my memory on the Prestolite ignition I had used for so many years and miles. Made a power jumper for the ignition.  Adjusted the air gap.  Then hooked up the cont light.  At first it appeared it was going to time up piece of cake. But on a final check, the timing light wouldn't come on. Slightly tapped the unit and the light flashed. Not a good sign. May have to buy a new ignition.

Installed the steering damper. Finally something's right.

[tweakin]

Mcr.  Sorry if this post is not relevant but I am running all LEDs on my bike and they work great with the stock flasher. I am typing this on my phone at the airport so I did not read the previous post thoroughly.   I am using a cheap load equalizer by Kuryakin (harley parts) and it works great.  I got it from. Denniskirk.com.  If this is of interest to you shoot me a message and I will get you the info when I return from my business trip. 

[MCRider]

Mcr.  Sorry if this post is not relevant but I am running all LEDs on my bike and they work great with the stock flasher. I am typing this on my phone at the airport so I did not read the previous post thoroughly.   I am using a cheap load equalizer by Kuryakin (harley parts) and it works great.  I got it from. Denniskirk.com.  If this is of interest to you shoot me a message and I will get you the info when I return from my business trip.

I've done all that (load equalizer w/ stock flasher, Kuryakin lamps) but I'm open for any discussion. Esp since yours work.      Does your idiot light work OK too?

[tweakin]

This is what I am running with the stock flasher and it works great.  Idiot light works well also, with led's front and back.
https://www.denniskirk.com/kuryakyn/2-amp-load-equalizer.p211868.prd/211868.sku

Cb750

[MCRider]

Wow, nice stuff Tweakin. Thanks for the link. I have 2 on order right now. Could get here before the next shop day.

The resistors I got from O'Reilly's auto parts were very generic in nature, $10 a pair. The Kury's are $17 each (ouch) but seem to be higher quality, and the hook up appears well designed. My lights are Kury lights.

My wife won't get dinner out this weekend. 

Fingers crossed.

[tweakin]

I hope it works for you MCRider, as you can see it worked for me and I am only using one hooked up to the front.  You may need two so it is better to be safe than have to wait for a second ship.  $17 a piece isn't cheap I know but if it works, what the heck.  Think of all the time and money they would have saved you if you would have got them the first time around.

BTW, my wife's meals always take a back seat to my builds, lol.

Wow, nice stuff Tweakin. Thanks for the link. I have 2 on order right now. Could get here before the next shop day.

The resistors I got from O'Reilly's auto parts were very generic in nature, $10 a pair. The Kury's are $17 each (ouch) but seem to be higher quality, and the hook up appears well designed. My lights are Kury lights.

My wife won't get dinner out this weekend. 

Fingers crossed.

[MCRider]

Tweakin: I assumed I would need 2, one for each side. Now that I've received them, I see one is wired to both sides, based on their suggested wiring diagrams. We'll see.

Update: No pictures: Messed around and messed around. The ignition would not respond, dead. Think I'll go with a PAMCO. Seems to appeal to me, ease of install etc.

Worked on a plug wrench, cleaned up the shop, had a bout of Reynaulds (numbness in toes) and called it quits.

Got the header back on, (no small thing) not much else.   

[Tintop]

....... had a bout of Reynaulds (numbness in toes) and called it quits.
Got the header back on, (no small thing) not much else.   

Have the same thing, only with me it's my fingers, not fun.  A couple of minutes with ice cold wrenches, and I'm toast.

[MCRider]

....... had a bout of Reynaulds (numbness in toes) and called it quits.
Got the header back on, (no small thing) not much else.   

Have the same thing, only with me it's my fingers, not fun.  A couple of minutes with ice cold wrenches, and I'm toast.

I've actually had it for 30+ years, but just recently got the diagnosis. i always thought i was just a wimp and couldn't take a little cold. Yours in the fingers is more common, but I've got mostly it in the toes, occasional fingers. Doesn't even have to be very cold to bring it on, other times I can stand a lot of cold, very random. Been getting progressively worse, now in all toes of both feet, can really hurt sometimes.

Bruce bought me some heated socks and they actually seemed to help, but i forgot to put them on last Sunday.

[RAFster122s]

Theres always southern AZ at lower altitudes is quite nice most of the year. Here in S.V. we get cold days and nights....today was breezy and 62f but only 48f with 10mph wind when i went for a walk at lunchtime today. It was a cold day here.
Tucson or Phoenix are much nicer winter climates.
I lived in Central Ohio for 20 yrs...so im familiar with Indy areas temps and weather.
Deteriorating discs and joint issues drove me to the sunbelt and i dont regret it at all. The riding season is prettymuch yearround and you trade extreme summer temps for the winter cold. You ride less in the peak heat and monsoon rain days  and work on projects indoors out of the heat or you get up very early.

[Tintop]

....... had a bout of Reynaulds (numbness in toes) and called it quits.
Got the header back on, (no small thing) not much else.   

Have the same thing, only with me it's my fingers, not fun.  A couple of minutes with ice cold wrenches, and I'm toast.

I've actually had it for 30+ years, but just recently got the diagnosis. i always thought i was just a wimp and couldn't take a little cold. Yours in the fingers is more common, but I've got mostly it in the toes, occasional fingers. Doesn't even have to be very cold to bring it on, other times I can stand a lot of cold, very random. Been getting progressively worse, now in all toes of both feet, can really hurt sometimes.

Bruce bought me some heated socks and they actually seemed to help, but i forgot to put them on last Sunday.

My mother has it, sister as well, figure it's genetic.  I know what you mean about it not having to be that cold MCR.  I've even resorted to putting gloves on when picking up stuff in the freezer section at the store.  The toes are better than the fingers, but not by much.   Given housing prices in the USA, AZ sounds attractive RAFster122S, just need a green card.  

OK, so now back to the important stuff.  How close are you to the startup?

[MCRider]

Raf: I lived in Tucson for a few years in another life. Doesn't get much better weather wise. Current obligations keep me from moving back, but maybe someday.

TinTop: My dad complained to his doctor about cold toes and fingers. Dr told him to loosen the laces on his shoes. This was many years ago, dad died in 1976,  and maybe Reynaulds wasn't so well known. I've done a lot of reading on it lately. As you said, even sticking ones hand in a freezer, for a moment, to retrieve a ice cream sandwich can set off an episode.

As to startup: Struggling with ignition. Need to check out the coils before buying a new one. Need to final clean the oil tank and mount it up permanently. Prime the oil passageways, hook up the umbilical tank, do a final checklist, and hit the button.

[tweakin]

So did the new load equalizers work? 

I also only needed one for my flashers to work correctly, but my rear leds do not require a equalizer.  I thought you might need one for the rear also so all will function properly.

Tweakin: I assumed I would need 2, one for each side. Now that I've received them, I see one is wired to both sides, based on their suggested wiring diagrams. We'll see.

[MCRider]

So did the new load equalizers work? 

I also only needed one for my flashers to work correctly, but my rear leds do not require a equalizer.  I thought you might need one for the rear also so all will function properly.

Tweakin: I assumed I would need 2, one for each side. Now that I've received them, I see one is wired to both sides, based on their suggested wiring diagrams. We'll see.

Just got in from the shop. No they do not work. I'm seriously bummed. I can accept that I've done something wrong, but this is simple stuff, don't know what it could be. I wired in one of the equalizers. No flash, and it got so hot that i would never be comfortable running with it. So...

History: All i wanted was a very nice example of a bullet turn signal, good quality, gleaming chrome. So i bot these. I didn't realize they were LEDs, and/or didn't realize that it would be any problem. Now after this experience...

I did a Google search on Bullet turn signals. I found the same bullet body, with the machined flutes down the sides, that runs a conventional bulb, though with a smaller globe so it will fit stuffed in the smaller than usual shell. I'll be buying 2 pairs of those and selling all the LED stuff to someone smarter than me.

More later.

[MCRider]

Got the PAMCO ignition today. Great service. Now to reviewthe online install instructions. Looks pretty straightforward. Should get that in Sunday. If the new TS come also, that will make a session.

Biggest reason for this over another ignition is simply a coin toss. I like both concepts. I've got another CB750 in the wings. We may use another ignition on it. AS to the on the road failure problem, just like with a clutch cable, they are cheap enough I'd just take a spare.  But just to think I road all over creation for 15 years with that Prestolite and never missed a beat. Just a stupid kid i guess.

We've got some other issues to deal with. Haven't seen the umbilical tank in a few years. Its hanging from the ceiling, but that's way up there. Gotta see if the fittings will fit the carbs and that it doesn't leak.