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Re: Phaedrus II: CB750 "Super Standard" - Update 01/24/12- w/o new pics
« Reply #2125 on: February 02, 2012, 04:30:46 PM »
MCR, that bites...  I hope it doesn't come back to bite you on regular signals...
You consider adding a ground circuit from the battery as an extra backbone up to the signals?
I'm running relays and heavier power wires for my headlights and horn and am only using the headlamp wiring and horn wiring as switches for the relays to turn on those devices.   Given a bike depends a lot on the chassis ground I would think the powder coated frame could be contributing to the problem as it is nice and insulated now.  I know you've removed the powder coating in a few spots...I know an extra ground wire to the headlamp bucket from the battery doesn't hurt anything on the CB550s.

If the bullet signals are the same housing type and the socket and LED will lift out of the body you could install the other sockets in the housings you like best if you like the LED housings best.

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Re: Phaedrus II: CB750 "Super Standard" - Update 01/24/12- w/o new pics
« Reply #2126 on: February 02, 2012, 04:52:49 PM »
MCR, that bites...  I hope it doesn't come back to bite you on regular signals...
You consider adding a ground circuit from the battery as an extra backbone up to the signals?
I'm running relays and heavier power wires for my headlights and horn and am only using the headlamp wiring and horn wiring as switches for the relays to turn on those devices.   Given a bike depends a lot on the chassis ground I would think the powder coated frame could be contributing to the problem as it is nice and insulated now.  I know you've removed the powder coating in a few spots...I know an extra ground wire to the headlamp bucket from the battery doesn't hurt anything on the CB550s.

If the bullet signals are the same housing type and the socket and LED will lift out of the body you could install the other sockets in the housings you like best if you like the LED housings best.

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I ran dedicated grounds on everything, plugged into a green on the harness. Minimal frame grounding.

The new TS should have, appear to have the same shell as the LED lamps, so I'm hoping to be happy with them. They are not Kuryakin brand, but are pretty pricey so could be the same shell.
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Re: Phaedrus II: CB750 "Super Standard" - Update 01/24/12- w/o new pics
« Reply #2127 on: February 12, 2012, 07:27:44 PM »
This is actually last week's update. We received the new turn signals. Not quite the same shell as the Kuryakins, but close and really nice.

One of the drawbacks of the LED lamps, which I learned here, is that they have little illumination to the sides. The incandescents light up the sides nicely and i like that.

I also ordered and received a "pro kit" from Vintage Connections, of Japanese size bullet connectors. Up till now I'd been using some American sizes which aren't quite right though they worked fine. We really spent time wiring the LED lamps nicely. And now that we're ripping it out, i figure we might try to do it even nicer.  Ordered and received another mounting kit from Kuryakin that sets the lamps away from the headlight shell a little bit. We'd butchered the first set past reusing.
We got the new ignition. PAMCO. Probably straightforward when I get to it. But I'm a little confused with the wiring. I'll get over it.

For this weekend, I called it off. I was under the weather, which by the way was pretty bad itself. Needed to recover for a heavy work schedule this week.
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Re: Phaedrus II: CB750 "Super Standard" - Update 02/12/12- w/ new pics
« Reply #2128 on: February 12, 2012, 09:49:32 PM »
Sorry to hear your down, Ron.
I was working in my shop polishing covers,(quite a meditation) wondering how far you were getting today.
Oh Well, It's nice to take a break every now and then.
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Re: Phaedrus II: CB750 "Super Standard" - Update 02/12/12- w/ new pics
« Reply #2129 on: February 19, 2012, 12:04:27 PM »
Sorry to hear your down, Ron.
I was working in my shop polishing covers,(quite a meditation) wondering how far you were getting today.
Oh Well, It's nice to take a break every now and then.
Get well.
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Re: Phaedrus II: CB750 "Super Standard" - Update 02/12/12- w/ new pics
« Reply #2130 on: February 19, 2012, 12:05:56 PM »
Glad you got that sorted Ron.  Something so trivial to hold you up like this.  Me still watching!
I don't have a motorcycle, sold it ('85 Yamaha Venture Royale).  Haven't had a CB750 for over 40 years.

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Re: Phaedrus II: CB750 "Super Standard" - Update 02/12/12- w/ new pics
« Reply #2131 on: February 19, 2012, 12:16:16 PM »
Glad you got that sorted Ron.  Something so trivial to hold you up like this.  Me still watching!
It was a psychological log jam. STUPID mistake. Solved now, details later. Could help others.

Movin on.   ;D
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Re: Phaedrus II: CB750 "Super Standard" - Update 02/19/12- w/ new pics
« Reply #2134 on: February 19, 2012, 07:03:34 PM »
Let me start this post with the admission, I'm sure i've made before, that electrical is not my strong suit.

I received the box of Honda size bullet connectors, insulators and misc. from VintageConnections.com. Check them out.   I figured I gotta get my act together and using nicer parts is part of that.


Now to the root of the flash problem. Many of you had told me to check my wiring. I thought for sure i had it right. I mean its all color matrched, what can go wrong? But Bruice my build buddy said "Ron, we'vegot to unplug everything and start over".  One just can't ignore the obvious, he was right, something I'd already done had to be wrong. Actually unplugging everything wasn't necessary. But a thourough review was called for. So I started with thewires from the left switch. Lt green for horn, Lt blue and orange for winkers. Grey for... hmmm. Well I thought the switch needed power so i had it plugged into black. I mean grey is kinda like black.

Well I was raised with idea that when a wire is banded at its end, the color changes to the colr of the band. The grey wire from the harness has a white band on it near the end, so i had plugged a white/yellow? into it.

I hate wiring diagrams. Some of you sent me some and i looked at them, but nothing clicked. I studied the diagram in the Clymers one more time. The gray from the switch goes to gray in the headlight goes to gray at the FLASHER! D'OH. So ignoring the white band, I plugged the grays together and we got flash. Now before the rewire, we had wired in the new incandescents in the front, but not the rears, still the LEDs. Nevertheless, everythign is flashing, using an OEM flasher! No resisters. The idiot light flashes brililantly. The oil light was flashing as well, but it took jsut a quick look to see i had that light plugged into an empty TS socket. Looked pretty funny though.

I don't know what the white band is all about, now I don't care. Don't know where the white/yellow goes. Not on the wiring diagram. I got the harness from yamiya, so maybe its a jap thing.

I'll finish the situation now but quickly testing all alternative. I'll plug the LEDs back in the front and see if all four flash. I'll plug in the various electronic flashers I've bot and see if they do any better or worse and report back.

So back to some tips and tricks and progress. Before starting to mess with the mess that is the rats nest in the headlight, we heated it up with a hairdryer. MAN did that work nicely. What was a hard as rock cluster of wires becames as soft as well whatever and very easy to manipulate even in the cold shop.

As said we wired up the new TS with the new bullets and a new set of "stalks" from Kuryakin. They aren't very long but they space the sigs away from the headlight. There is a trim nut that threads on:

then you thread it down so it covers the business part of the stalk

then you thread the signal on and back the trim nut out just far enough to lock the signal in place


With my new found confidence in electrical, we'll get the ignition wired up soon and get this sucker started. 
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Re: Phaedrus II: CB750 "Super Standard" - Update 02/19/12- w/ new pics
« Reply #2135 on: February 19, 2012, 07:30:19 PM »
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With my new found confidence in electrical, we'll get the ignition wired up soon and get this sucker started.

I think this fits quite a few of us until the next time.

It took me a while to figure out the hornets nest and felt perty confident with the wiring.  Not now as I forgot it all.

Patiently waiting to see this masterpiece running. :) 
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Re: Phaedrus II: CB750 "Super Standard" - Update 02/19/12- w/ new pics
« Reply #2136 on: February 20, 2012, 08:32:53 AM »
awesome, cant wait to see what you figure out with the various flashers etc....

looking forward to a list of what you end up using, with links to where they can be purchased etc...  Those are the exact style lights i would like to put on my bike.

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Re: Phaedrus II: CB750 "Super Standard" - Update 02/19/12- w/ new pics
« Reply #2137 on: February 20, 2012, 08:43:01 AM »
awesome, cant wait to see what you figure out with the various flashers etc....

looking forward to a list of what you end up using, with links to where they can be purchased etc...  Those are the exact style lights i would like to put on my bike.

Good work as usual
Yeah the flashers are a mystery. The oone thats working I thought was an OEM but its not. It looks like one except the housing is about twice the size. Details later.

The Kuryakin LEDs I got from CustomDynamics
http://www.customdynamics.com/led_mini_bullets.htm

The Incandescents came from KC Supply
http://www.ebay.com/itm/HARLEY-CHOPPERS-MILLED-MINI-BULLET-AMBER-TURN-SIGNALS-LIGHTS-/300666695428?pt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&vxp=mtr&hash=item460121af04

Though i found them on eBay I actually bot them from KC. Same price. Free shipping.

Both are a little pricey but really cool. A modern (flutes and "milling" on the housing) retro look.
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Re: Phaedrus II: CB750 "Super Standard" - Update 02/19/12- w/ new pics
« Reply #2138 on: March 05, 2012, 06:10:46 PM »
I am sick, hear me whine!   :(

So this is the combo of 2 shortened shop days.

Farted around trying to establish some sense of what makes the LEDs work and what doesn't. Not really any good conclusion. The only combo we got to work was incandescents on the front, LEDs in the rear, no other resistors, and this larger thermal flasher. I don't even know where it came from, some parts bike in the past.

The OEM "signal stat" has a 142 on the shell. The one that works with 2 LEDs has a 175 on the shell and is physically larger.



We hotwired the LEDs back into the front position. No combo of flasher, including 2 3-wire electronics, or resistor would make all 4 LEDs flash. What we ended up with is 4 incandescents, and the 175 signal stat. Everything works nicely. All grounds are hardwired into the harness.

Throughout this process i slowly degraded the nice wiring I had done, splicing in resistors, swapping lamps etc., so that needed to be redone. Final result very appealing. The connectors from VintageConnections were very nice to use. Rather than the oversize ACE hardare bullets these are OEM size and crimp on nicely with the insulators.

Working in the headlight, we got the urge to clean the headlight pigtail. A little gentle prying caused it to break. Probably brittle from 10s of thousands of miles running with the halogen bulb on. And of course its NLA...except from Yamiya. So I ordered a new one from them. To justify the shipping I had to get something else and settled on a clutch adjuster. Besides the obvious improvement in the finish, the Yamiya one has the tiny turning in the knurled area, cute.

The headlights buttoned up into the bucket. Got some nicefitting nylon washers between the headlight ears and the bucket. Which should hold the light firmly but allow adjustment on the fly.

So I'm still struggling with the ignition. I'm so disappointed the ancient Prestolite won't work, or works intermittently. I'd thought to go with a PAMCO, but this electrical stuff freaks me so much, I decided to go back to an original setup with a new pointsplate. This is plug and play and something i understand. After i get it started, I can always change it later if so inclined. Besides the idea of running the clear points cover with the points is so cool. I can plug HondaMan's transistor pack in the background and have a first rate system.

So that's it for now. Living on Tylenol and Musinex. Thought I had it kicked weeks ago, but it came charging back and just at my busiest time at work.
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Re: Phaedrus II: CB750 "Super Standard" - Update 03/04/12- w/ new pics
« Reply #2139 on: March 11, 2012, 09:44:30 AM »
Feeling better, sun's out, got in a good shop morning.

Ordered a pointsplate from eBay. Several vendors different prices, no one could or would verify what brand of points I would get. Talked to Hondaman and of the ones he liked better than the others, TEC bubbled to the top. I ordered the medium priced point plate, taking a chance and when it came it was a TEC. Good looking unit.


It timed up easily and satisfied my desire to know I actually have a working unit. I simply wimped out on the electronics as I don't understand them and I didn't feel competent to wire and test and ... well. I need plug and play.  With my bike being essentially at this point, all new from scratch, if it doesn't start I'll need to be able to trouble shoot it, and with the points plate, i feel more comfortable.

Talking to Mark,HM,  I ordered his HLight relay dealie. Really nice compact, plug and play. All fits in the headlight shell. Really slick. I'd been inclined to buy one from easternBeaver.com. Glad i didn't. Theirs is like the one on my Hawk, wires all over the place.



Months ago, when i installed the oil pump and pan, I knew i was doing it wrong but did it anyway. I put the pump in dry, and I used bolts to hold the pan on that I had wire brushed the plating off of...even though i had stainless steel from a kit ready to go! Tell me why do we do stupid stuff?

Getting to the pump and pan bolts, which had a nice rust patina on them by now, meant removing the exhaust one more time. So, we sucked it up and went to work. Luckily we've had the pipe off so many times it didn't give us much resistance. (All 4 headers are separate and enter the collector individually).

Got the pan off, but ripped the gasket in half. Retrieved the pump for priming. Fact is, it would probably have been OK to prime it with the kickstarter, but on the other hand.... Gasket's about 3/4 cleaned.
One day closer...  :D
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Re: Phaedrus II: CB750 "Super Standard" - Update 03/11/12- w/ new pics
« Reply #2140 on: March 11, 2012, 01:57:14 PM »
I like points.......they worked for me last year in Wisconsin, Wyoming, Idaho, Utah, and Michigan. They are the same units that were installed in the '80s along with the condensors. I have not looked at them in 3 years.
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Re: Phaedrus II: CB750 "Super Standard" - Update 03/11/12- w/ new pics
« Reply #2141 on: March 11, 2012, 05:18:30 PM »
I like points.......they worked for me last year in Wisconsin, Wyoming, Idaho, Utah, and Michigan. They are the same units that were installed in the '80s along with the condensors. I have not looked at them in 3 years.
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Re: Phaedrus II: CB750 "Super Standard" - Update 03/11/12- w/ new pics
« Reply #2142 on: March 11, 2012, 08:50:06 PM »
hey if i can install the pamco anyone can if you want me to take pics of my install pm me.
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« Reply #2143 on: March 12, 2012, 05:56:57 AM »
hey if i can install the pamco anyone can if you want me to take pics of my install pm me.
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« Reply #2144 on: March 18, 2012, 09:16:46 AM »
Had a good Church Meeting (Morning in the Shop). Finished scraping oil pan gasket, worked on ignition switch mount, primed the oil pump and reinstalled, with pan and SS bolts. Found some missing parts (always time consuming).

Film at 11.
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Re: Phaedrus II: CB750 "Super Standard" - Update 03/11/12- w/ new pics
« Reply #2145 on: March 18, 2012, 10:13:24 AM »
Are we getting close to having a running engine?  It's been a long time coming...you should document the event and post it!  I can ride over and bring my flip camp and be you camera man.   ;D
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« Reply #2146 on: March 18, 2012, 10:19:34 AM »
Are we getting close to having a running engine?  It's been a long time coming...you should document the event and post it!  I can ride over and bring my flip camp and be you camera man.   ;D
Oil tank, umbilical tank, review and start. Getting close.  My nephew is tentative camera man. We'll see.
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« Reply #2147 on: March 18, 2012, 12:56:29 PM »
Removed the pan to get at the pump. Had used gasgacinch, must have put it on both sides as the gasket separated leaving some on each surface. A little solvent and it released easily.

In my memory, it was HondaMan who first introduced the subject of priming the oil pump to me. Something I had never done before. But with one exception I'd never dried out a lower end before. And the pump I am using is an eBay piece, virtually new, that was completely dry when I got it.  Actually, I think one can usually get away without priming it, maybe prime it with the kickstarter. But now that I know the idea, how can I not? I did a YouTube search and didn't come up with anything for the CB750, but lots of other vehicles, guys prime thepumps.

So we pulled the pump and put it in a Tupperware.

Poured in some oil and turned the gear.

Wasn't really getting the results I anticipated, so we turned it over and poured the oil direct into the pickup.

That got it. Turned it back over and turned the gear, bubbles came out. Reinstalled.
A secondary purpose for pulling the pan was that i had installed it with the original bolts, that I had wire brushed. So they proceeded to rust. Sure its on the bottom, but i expect people to look everywhere, and that would have been hard to explain.

Especially since Spillane's Stainless Kits that i bought so long ago, came with fresh SS bolts for the pan. All pretty now.

The front left gusset plate is doing double duty as the ignition switch mount. When Saldana made it they did me a favor and reinforced the hole with a washer.

The extra thickness caused the nut on the switch to stand proud, even when i got a thinner washer from ACE. So I took the Dremel to the washer and the switch and got it to be flush.


Purchases this week were limited to a spark advancer from eBay. The seller said it was from a 78F. It has a "300" identifier, but I haven't checked to see if that's a 78F or not. It surely would be what i want anyway. Comparing it to other spare advancers (NLA BTW) it is beefier and bigger in many respects. Hmmm. 

The weights are bigger and arranged differently from the earlier "300"s I have. Seems to be low mileage, excellent shape. Not bad for $20 considering they are NLA.

What I had noticed is the advancer in the bike now will turn when the peg is engaged in the crank, ever so slightly. Can't know if its the peg or the hole that's worn, maybe both. Of course  once the big slotted nut is tightened it doesn't turn at all. But I'd like to know it was indexed properly. maybe the new(er) one will fit tighter.

We need to get the gas tank ready. I'm switching from a right side petcock (ridiculous) to a left side. But in doing so one never knows what interference i may encounter. I had bought the SS bolts and nuts for the gas cap from Mark (HondaMan) years ago, took about an hour to find them. They were in the last place i looked.  We'll need to install the new petcock and finish refurbishing the gas cap and install. Fingers crossed the tank doesn't interfere with anything. In particular I'm worried about the carbs, the choke, and the APE frame kit.  I'll put a minimum of gas in it to start it. Once we know the verdict, off it comes and goes to the yet unchosen painter. We can continue to run it for tuning withthe umbilical tank.
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Re: Phaedrus II: CB750 "Super Standard" - Update 03/18/12- w/ new pics
« Reply #2148 on: March 18, 2012, 01:38:31 PM »
I love your attention to detail and your build thread. I have been lurking on it and figured its time to subscribe. So, subscribed!

If you need a painter you really should check out Larry at www.meticulouspaint.com in Spokane. He is a member here as well (nevr2old). He painted my bike and tweakins. He is the real deal.

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Re: Phaedrus II: CB750 "Super Standard" - Update 03/18/12- w/ new pics
« Reply #2149 on: March 18, 2012, 01:51:34 PM »
I love your attention to detail and your build thread. I have been lurking on it and figured its time to subscribe. So, subscribed!

If you need a painter you really should check out Larry at www.meticulouspaint.com in Spokane. He is a member here as well (nevr2old). He painted my bike and tweakins. He is the real deal.
Thanks. This is about the 5th iteration of this bike. It was always my rider before, so it didn't take forever to finish, and thre were always lots of corners cut. Now that i have something else to ride, I'm taking some time.

Thanks for the tips on paint. That'sa little too far for me to ship. I've interviewed some painter s in Indy. I'm likely to go with this guy.  Warsaw is not too far away.
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1988 NT650 HawkGT;  1978 CB400 Hawk;  1975 CB750F -Free Bird; 1968 CB77 Super Hawk -Ticker;  Phaedrus 1972 CB750K2- Build Thread
"Sometimes the light's all shining on me, other times I can barely see, lately it appears to me, what a long, strange trip its been."