Topic: Phaedrus: CB750 RestoMod - Update: 09/23/21 w/ new video

[Ecosse]

fwiw: ocd is responsible for all of the great achievements of mankind. it's not a disorder, it's what got us out of the caves and loincloths.


 

[MCRider]

fwiw: ocd is responsible for all of the great achievements of mankind. it's not a disorder, it's what got us out of the caves and loincloths.


 

Thanks you always know what to say.

I'm sure there is a lot of truth in that.

My case is borderline, self-diagnosed, frustrating. But I can really see what those that have it bad are going thru. You focus in on (often) inconsequential details to the exclusion of things that may really need one's attention.

But if you can focus that energy on something that is meaningful, BAM. That's what you're talking about.

[Ecosse]

fwiw: ocd is responsible for all of the great achievements of mankind. it's not a disorder, it's what got us out of the caves and loincloths.


 

Thanks you always know what to say.

I'm sure there is a lot of truth in that.

My case is borderline, self-diagnosed, frustrating. But I can really see what those that have it bad are going thru. You focus in on (often) inconsequential details to the exclusion of things that may really need one's attention.

But if you can focus that energy on something that is meaningful, BAM. That's what you're talking about.

yes, serious cases of it has to be awful. no fooling, i have a.d.d. and it too can be a living hell. things like these 'conditions' can be a drag on relationships too.


but look at the paintings, inventions, and bikes being made, eh?! 

[Zaipai]

Yea that tank looked like mine, now the seam split and the tank is a door stop.. Gonna have to find a replacement now and they are getting harder to find.. bah....

[MCRider]

Yea that tank looked like mine, now the seam split and the tank is a door stop.. Gonna have to find a replacement now and they are getting harder to find.. bah....

So sad. Mine is rusting more each day just sitting on the bench. I have 6 tanks on the shelf. This is the only one this has happened to.  Probably has to do with cleaning it with muriatic acid and never neutralizing it. I didn't know.

[HondaMan]

My wife suffers the OCD severely enough to be medicated for it, MC. I have it after I get into the details of any given project: making complete lists of all the things I see that needs to be done usually overcomes it, because then it's easier to not miss the details in the end. That's my "management" of the problem. 

I suppose that's why I've always been in demand as a Controls Engineer (when there's actual work out there to do...): for 18 years, I have shipped every job complete, which seldom happens on new machinery construction.

[MCRider]

My wife suffers the OCD severely enough to be medicated for it, MC. I have it after I get into the details of any given project: making complete lists of all the things I see that needs to be done usually overcomes it, because then it's easier to not miss the details in the end. That's my "management" of the problem. 

I suppose that's why I've always been in demand as a Controls Engineer (when there's actual work out there to do...): for 18 years, I have shipped every job complete, which seldom happens on new machinery construction.

Sorry for your wife, never good to be medicated for anything.

I do better with lists for sure.

[MCRider]

Jeff from CryoGenics of Indy stopped by and picked up my box. About 50 pounds of stuff. Everything that turns and rubs at speed. The brake discs as thats his specialty. Supposed to reduce threat of warping and cracking. Since mine are so thin and the holes so big, thought that may be good.

cam, rockers, tranny, fork sliders, primary chains, cam chain, cam sprocket, drive sprockets, on and on. At least i feel like headway even though I'm doing other things.

Top coat on cases was several shades lighter than the primer, adn a little glossier. Not standard for sure, but i think I'll like it.

I sent three rear 48t sprockets. One new one for me and 2 slightly used which I judged as very usable. (A fourth i discards as too far gon, though I've seen worse on bikes.)

If anyone wants to experiment I'd take $10 + S&H for either of the used ones. Supposed to be harder and slicker and last um long time.

I also have one kickstarter shaft that has been shot peened and cryo treated, for anyone build a "kick only" CB750.  $65 + S&H  (Had 3, am keeping 2)

[bucky katt]

fwiw: ocd is responsible for all of the great achievements of mankind. it's not a disorder, it's what got us out of the caves and loincloths.


 

whats wrong with a loincloth? 

[MCRider]

Well I have yet to be able to blame a vendor for my slow pace of construction. Cryo of Indy told me me parts would be ready Tuesday, he just delivered them today.

Told me he's doing a big project for Schumacher(sp?) of Funny Car fame, and he threw my parts in with theirs. (There are several national headquarters in Brownsburg IN for the top drag racing teams. http://www.shoeracing.com/brownsburg/) He said the Funny Car blocks were distorting to the point where they were only getting 3 runs between teardowns and teardowns were running $15k each (all inclusive).

So with the first Cryo treated block they got 12 runs, and decided to do all their engines.

He said they are doing some experimental work with Purdue University on carbon fibre parts. First run came back 35% stronger and Purdue will analyze them to determine why.

My little piddly box, about 50lbs, cost me $110. But Jeff was just as excited to do my parts as telling me about Schumachers parts. So that's cool.

The unseasonable cold has broken for a few days. Goal is to get the final topcoat on the crankcases, and paint the cylinders and head, primer tonight, topcoat tomorrow. Then ship out the rear wheel and brake to Race-Tech.

This weekend is "Fall Break" for the school systems. My wife drives the school bus, and insists we go somewhere on her breaks, and that's OK with me too. But no work on Phaedrus this weekend. Still, with the painting and the cryo  done, and possibly the rear wheel by then, we can have some marathon assembly sessions when I return.

[Ecosse]

wow, your p2 has a brush with greatness! maybe some pedigree will rub off.

by that i mean maybe your honda-ness will give the dragger a 10th in the quarter. 

good to know this cryo business is achieving further dividends as well. i remember when i first learned about it about 6 or so years ago (?) i little tiny bit of me wondered if it was so much snake oil. it was hard then to read of any conclusive feedback not originating from those offering the service.

enjoy your break. 

[bucky katt]

well, i've been using cryo treated guitar strings for 20 years or so now on some of my guitars and i KNOW theres a life span difference between them and the regular dean markley strings.

[Ecosse]

well, i've been using cryo treated guitar strings for 20 years or so now on some of my guitars and i KNOW theres a life span difference between them and the regular dean markley strings.

cool! i've heard of horn instruments being treated too.

[MCRider]

well, i've been using cryo treated guitar strings for 20 years or so now on some of my guitars and i KNOW theres a life span difference between them and the regular dean markley strings.

That's interesting.

There certainly is a reason for reasonable people to be skeptical. I mean if its so good why doesn't everyone use it?

My vendor has a contract with City of Indy to treat the rotors on their emergency vehicles. It extends there life 2 to 3 times, saving city money.

The biggest drawback I can see is that its a step that throws off the whole thought process.

Someone else on the forum said they did it to their sports car transmissions, and its a widespread practice. reduces friction losses = more HP.

I'm just doing it for bragging rights. We'll see about effectiveness.  

[wannabridin]

I'm just doing it for bragging rights. We'll see about effectiveness.   

 haha!!  this is about how you can describe this whole project!!  hell, any of your projects right??  oh well, if it weren't for bragging rights, where would that piece of inspiration come from right??  and who cares if you're only bragging to yourself or your clueless significant other???  i KNOW my gf can't start to comprehend my sickness...  

[MCRider]

Just had a computer upgrade and I've lost my pathway for downloading pictures. I can use one of these things if its set up and nothing changes. Anyway, I'll get my nephew back to show me how.

Meantime, got the final coat on the crankcases. Looking good, slightly darker than a stock gray color, slightly more sheen too I think.

Got the cylinders and head cleaned and masked. No paint yet. But I'm tossing around the top coat choice. Either same gray as cases, or gloss black with polished fin edges. Both cyl and head, or black cyl and gray head?

I did another dumb thing years ago. I had the cylinders machined without glass beading first. Don't know where my head was. I think I wasn't thinking of looks back then, just getting it done quick. We can see now that was misguided. So I put them in a tub and paintbrushed on the Acetone. Then on the bench chucked up wire brushes to run thru the fins, then back to the acetone bath. Think i got them pretty clean.

Inventorying the Cryo box, I realized I didn't send the shift forks or drum, dang. Think I'll send them and a few misc parts for other future projects. Won't keep me from assembling the front end, trans, crank, etc. plenty to do.

Should finish the paint today and tomorrow. Then vacation.

[MCRider]

Once I got past the mental block of masking everything off, the painting of the engine has gone very well. Won't know how well it sticks till assembly time. But its my first shot and looks good. I went with the cylinder head same gray as the cases, and the cylinder gloss black.

Placed a big bearing order with this guy. Rr wheel, trans and final drive.  http://www.cbrbearing.com/motorcycles_%26_atv%27s.htm

"Charlie" (don't know if that is the C in CBR or not, I should ask. Real nice guy very knowledgable. He supplies NSK he swears is top name from Japan. He didn't diss the other manufacturers, but he did say that even SKFs are made everywhere now. Mexico, China, Brazil. I did hours of internet search and I conclude the same thing. There is no way the retail consumer can guarantee to themselves the country of origin. So I'll just go with him. In reality, my biggest concern is not the performance of the bearing, but riding the bike enough that I'll care about the performance of the bearing, if you see what I'm saying.

All were priced at $15+/- except the double row output bearing at $27. Fair enough. Fish around in the links under the top banner and see some interesting stuff.

I'm not sure where I found this guy, its been a "favorite place" for quite sometime. Likely someone here gave it to me.

[Ecosse]

it's good to hear about pleasant operations to deal with. i've got it in my head now that when someday i'm able to dig into my 550, that i'll do all my chrome business with your contact.

slightly off topic: didn't you start a cryo thread somewhere?

[MCRider]

it's good to hear about pleasant operations to deal with. i've got it in my head now that when someday i'm able to dig into my 550, that i'll do all my chrome business with your contact.

slightly off topic: didn't you start a cryo thread somewhere?

Its been fun dealing with all these vendors many of whom are riding the wave of renewed interest in old Japanese motorcycles. I've really only had one unpleasant transaction and I think mine is an "outlier" case so I haven't even commented. PM if interested.

I may have started a cryo thread at one time don't remember, probably lack of participation so I've kept my comments in the build thread. It is growing in popularity but still somewhat unknown in our circles. If it truly gives one an edge, then I don't want anyone else doing it.  

Once again my problem will be riding the bike enough to prove or disprove its efficacy.

Sooner or later everyone will do it and the edge will be gone. But that happens with all technolgies I think.

The biggest drawback is it really messes with the "build" schedule. Much easier to just say screw it and throw it back together. But I thank you for bringing it up. If you remember it was in the context of heat treating the kickstart shafts, and I think its a great alternative, cheaper and simpler by a long shot.

[Ecosse]

 

[MCRider]

Thanks Ecosse!

About 3 weeks ago I had my computer upgrraded and I lost my routine for posting pictures. Shouuld get that renewed this week. I'm a dummy and need help.

My buddy Bruce had a multi day conference the week after i had one, then we had a week of vacation.

But I've been making headway during the weekdays, small steps here and there, and we're back at it the morning.

Should have an update this evening.

[Ecosse]

no pressure, really! 






although when you're finished with p2 i'll have to check into betty ford.

[MCRider]

No one's giving me any more pressure than I am. I will keep on chugging along with this until its done. When I miss a weekend, i make up for it during each week, doing something.

A lot of peopel here are building engines but i don't here so much about built engines. I hope to really have a story to tell.

Anyway. An extra buddy stopped by this morning, he's restored a 68 triumph Bonneville and did a real nice job. He had a 78 Cb750 before going to the dark side. He talks alot, but he really jumps right in to helping, holding, getting tools etc. He wanted to see what we were doing.

Biggest deal was digging out from under 3 weeks of neglect, shop was a wreck.

So it was kinda like 3 stooges with 6 hands on the brake plate while installing new brake shoes. I bot SBS (scandinavian brake systems) many years ago. So the wheel and brake plate are ready to go to Racetech to be "arced".

We replaced the rear wheel bearings as I had trashed the old (new) ones by ...well long story. Any way the new (new) ones are in and spin freely.

Got my order from CBR Bearings.com. Rr wheel and all new trans bearings. Gotta say nice fella nice service, very keen on bikes.

Still waiting on the ebay tank from NovaScotia. Tracking number indicates its in customs.

Did some more but tired now, better posts to come.

[HavocTurbo]

You got trans bearing from that guy? I would require part numbers....

You think you'll be done before or after I get outta the hospital? 

[Ecosse]

You think you'll be done before or after I get outta the hospital? 

sounds like a challenge to me.