Topic: Phaedrus: CB750 RestoMod - Update: 09/23/21 w/ new video

[DollarBill]

Once again....attention to detail.  A lot of people would have never thought about lining up the pegs with the frame tubing.  It's those little details that will make this an unbelievable machine.  Brand new showroom bikes will not look as good as yours.

[Ecosse]

i'm with dollarbill. subtle details add up to a superior result every time.

are those 'o' rings on the foot pegs replaceable?

i'm just saying this now: your picture taking isn't through when p2 is. i hope you takes a bunch of picturesque pictures (nice angles and backgrounds) because when this is together for the last time it'll be a feast for the eyes. 

[HavocTurbo]

are those 'o' rings on the foot pegs replaceable?

Yes they are. Drag Specialties used to make these by the TON!!!

I still have a few unopened sets.

[MCRider]

i'm with dollarbill. subtle details add up to a superior result every time.

are those 'o' rings on the foot pegs replaceable?

i'm just saying this now: your picture taking isn't through when p2 is. i hope you takes a bunch of picturesque pictures (nice angles and backgrounds) because when this is together for the last time it'll be a feast for the eyes. 

Thanks Dollarbill. THe problem with this detail thing is I know the dozen or so "details" I have blown and I'm trying to just foirget about them.

Ecosse: Yeah I'm not sure how stout the ORing set up is. THe plan is to do some 2 up riding. If they wear quickly, I can just swap them with a stouter plainer peg as many styles will fit on that lug. USe the ORing style for show.

The Missus and I hope to get out to some overnight destinations, the Covered Bridge where we first met, Overlook on the Ohio RIver etc. We'll be snapping photos.   

[MCRider]

are those 'o' rings on the foot pegs replaceable?

Yes they are. Drag Specialties used to make these by the TON!!!

I still have a few unopened sets.

That's good to know. I guess the ORings would wear or twist and turn, or some such? Mine are BikeMaster brand, but I'd bet they are all the same and rebadged to whoever sells them.
http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com/3/13/121/4258/ITEM/Bikemaster-O-ring-Footpegs.aspx

The review claims the ORings appear loose and possible prone to rolling. Mine appear pretty stout, so we'll see.

Bikemaster has other styles I can substitute but for now I like the look and it will carry to the finned tappet covers and engine covers.

[HondaMan]

MC: a tip I learned from some bodywork boys:
On plastic, when "repairing" a crack. go to the ends of the crack (and just a hair further) and drill a tiny "stop hole" to prevent more crack travel, later. Mechanically, it destresses the leading edge of a crack. This is very commonly done on sheet metal assemblies I've seen, make sense for plastic too, I guess.

[MCRider]

MC: a tip I learned from some bodywork boys:
On plastic, when "repairing" a crack. go to the ends of the crack (and just a hair further) and drill a tiny "stop hole" to prevent more crack travel, later. Mechanically, it destresses the leading edge of a crack. This is very commonly done on sheet metal assemblies I've seen, make sense for plastic too, I guess.

I can picture that, will do. Thanks!

And I wonder if PVC plumbers cement would mend that crack? I know there have been many good suggestions here for mending cracks, but I have that cement already and it ususally dries out if not used. I'll try some on the original inner fender if I can find it.

[DavePhipps]

This is what most people from the FZRArchives and FZRonline use.
http://plastex.home.att.net/

From what I've heard it's great stuff

[HavocTurbo]

About the pegs...

If they are old or of cheap quality, the rings will start to spin and lay across the grooves. Because they aren't set in the peg far enough to hold their position, they will occasionally move out of place.

It happens more on highway pegs than on passenger but eventually.... well you get the idea.

[Ecosse]

The Missus and I hope to get out to some overnight destinations, the Covered Bridge where we first met, Overlook on the Ohio RIver etc. We'll be snapping photos.   

between bill440 meeting his better half while both cruising in their respective road runners (so jealous) and you meeting yours... at a covered bridge (no less!), i think answering a child's question "where did you and mom meet?" with "at some dive down town" or "at a stag when she popped outta the cake" just became that much more sub par.

lucky ________'s.   

[MCRider]

The Missus and I hope to get out to some overnight destinations, the Covered Bridge where we first met, Overlook on the Ohio RIver etc. We'll be snapping photos.   

between bill440 meeting his better half while both cruising in their respective road runners (so jealous) and you meeting yours... at a covered bridge (no less!), i think answering a child's question "where did you and mom meet?" with "at some dive down town" or "at a stag when she popped outta the cake" just became that much more sub par.

lucky ________'s.   

Well that's not quite right. It was a blind date to the covered bridge festival, on motorcycles with buddies and their wives. We actually met at a friends house, put on our helmets, rode for an hour to the first bridge. The bridge is where we first parked and got to talk, so that's where we "met". The day lasted about 10 hours, about 250 miles on the bike.

[MCRider]

About the pegs...

If they are old or of cheap quality, the rings will start to spin and lay across the grooves. Because they aren't set in the peg far enough to hold their position, they will occasionally move out of place.

It happens more on highway pegs than on passenger but eventually.... well you get the idea.

I can see where if someone has "happy feet" the O Rings will give it up. But I have options. Thanks.

[MCRider]

This is what most people from the FZRArchives and FZRonline use.
http://plastex.home.att.net/

From what I've heard it's great stuff

That looks like good stuff, and reasonably priced. But I'll just use so little...

I'll experiemtn with the PVC cement and report back, as I already own some.

Your name seems famiiar. Did you ever belong to the MSTA (formerly HSTA)?

[MCRider]

On the tip from HondaMan I drilled a hole at the ends of the crack.



Clamped and glued with some testors airplane glue I found. My PVC cement was dried up. My super glue was dried up. Don't know why I would have an unopened tube of Testors model cement but there it was. Seems to be holding well, with only a partial repair. I'll remove the clamp and finish gluing both sides.



I buffed the holes down with the Dremel so they were virtually unnoticable. I think that project is done.

[rjavocado]

Part of my styling theme is the "ridges" or finned look. The rear pegs are "O-ring" type, the axle spacer is finned, the brake stay is fiinned, the black shock springs on the chrome body carry the look, the engine covers are all finned and my personal jewel is the "unobtanium" Henry Abe finned tappet covers.

I hope this post doesn't constitute board spamming, but you referred to Henry Abe finned tappet covers as "unobtanium," and I thought you and your fellow builders might like to know that I have a set for sale on ebay. They're brand new, in the original pack. Just search for "NOS Tappet Covers for Honda CB750". I tried to post them in the appropriate area of the board, but the link doesn't exist, maybe because I'm a new member. Finned... Hmm. Do they help dissipate heat? Kinda wish I were keeping 'em now! Should have done my homework before I threw 'em on ebay! Awesome word, by the way, "unobtanium." Awesome looking build too.
Cheers,
Rob

[MCRider]

Part of my styling theme is the "ridges" or finned look. The rear pegs are "O-ring" type, the axle spacer is finned, the brake stay is fiinned, the black shock springs on the chrome body carry the look, the engine covers are all finned and my personal jewel is the "unobtanium" Henry Abe finned tappet covers.
SNIP

I hope this post doesn't constitute board spamming, but you referred to Henry Abe finned tappet covers as "unobtanium," and I thought you and your fellow builders might like to know that I have a set for sale on ebay. They're brand new, in the original pack. Just search for "NOS Tappet Covers for Honda CB750". I tried to post them in the appropriate area of the board, but the link doesn't exist, maybe because I'm a new member. Finned... Hmm. Do they help dissipate heat? Kinda wish I were keeping 'em now! Should have done my homework before I threw 'em on ebay! Awesome word, by the way, "unobtanium." Awesome looking build too.
Cheers,
Rob

Wow I sure don't remember that picture, but its my workbench.

"Credit where credit is due" dept.: unobtanium = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unobtanium

Thanks for looking at my project. I found my Henry Abe tappet covers at a flea market I think, still in original packaging, which has since deteriorated to nothing. Some may know for sure, but i don't ascribe any heat dissipation qualities to this style or any other finned cover, for me its just for looks. I wouldn't argue the point either way.

I like them as their profile does not show the raised hex many do. THey are to be turned with a large Allen. Their diameter is so large that its just as easy to turn with gloved hand or some cushioned slip jaw pliars. The fins are already blacked out.

[MCRider]

A bit of a milestone. On June 18th 2008 I started this thread. A review of my first post indicated I thought it would take a year. And a year has passed. Happy anniversary. With steady, though not intense, effort, we've made good progress. I used to have a boss who had "Keeble's three rules of life". "Everything 1. costs more than you thought it would; 2. takes longer than you thought it would; 3. is never as good or as bad as it seems at the time." So true.

So its likely to take another 6 months total at this point, a rolling chassis in 2 months, a powered chassis in 3 months. That puts it into winter time again. Hopefully it will actually be running before then. I would be working on some final issues, duroiing the cold months, maybe the new paint job. and the official roll out would be Spring 2010. Though several shake down runs should occur prior to that.

I'll be leaving with the wifer to visit the nephew in San Francisco from 7-2 to 7-8.  I'm trying to work a little each night to make up for the down time.

[MCRider]

Well, some of you were probably giggling while I explained my inner fender repair with airplane glue. A little flex and that joint snapped like a twig.

So I'm searching. I know there are threads here for plastic welding repair. I think just recently Goon had one using MEK. So its back to the drawing board to do it right.

[Ecosse]

Well, some of you were probably giggling while I explained my inner fender repair with airplane glue. A little flex and that joint snapped like a twig.

i didn't want to say anything... but since you mention it, my memory of model glue is consistent with your experience.
but the way i look at it, it can't hurt to try. 

[andy750]

Would fiberglass work Ron? Thats what Id use for a sidecover.

good luck
Andy

[goon 1492]

Well, some of you were probably giggling while I explained my inner fender repair with airplane glue. A little flex and that joint snapped like a twig.

So I'm searching. I know there are threads here for plastic welding repair. I think just recently Goon had one using MEK. So its back to the drawing board to do it right.

Holy double sharp build batman!
I was just reading up on your updates and saw the fender, I was going about to ask if you tried the trick I used with the MEK and if that fender was ABS plastic but you beat me to it.
If it is pvc and not abs you can use the pipe cement it will literally cold weld it together, one piece when its cured(might be gooey for about 15hrs). we use some stuff called THF (tetrahydrafuran) for pvc sheets to cold weld them together and that stuff is a watered down version of pvc cement.
Great build and I am speechless too.

[MCRider]

Well, some of you were probably giggling while I explained my inner fender repair with airplane glue. A little flex and that joint snapped like a twig.

So I'm searching. I know there are threads here for plastic welding repair. I think just recently Goon had one using MEK. So its back to the drawing board to do it right.

Holy double sharp build batman!
I was just reading up on your updates and saw the fender, I was going about to ask if you tried the trick I used with the MEK and if that fender was ABS plastic but you beat me to it.
If it is pvc and not abs you can use the pipe cement it will literally cold weld it together, one piece when its cured(might be gooey for about 15hrs). we use some stuff called THF (tetrahydrafuran) for pvc sheets to cold weld them together and that stuff is a watered down version of pvc cement.
Great build and I am speechless too.

Hi: Thanks for chiming in, I was going to PM you. How can I know if its ABS or PVC? I read your thread when it first came out, but don't remember for sure, if its ABS does one have to have some extra ABS to feed into the weld?

I had a CB750 sidecover professional welded by Otto at Mares Cycle (since retired) many years ago and it is as you say, the edges of the crack are melted together, He laid a bead along the length of the crack, with 3 short beads at 90 degree to the crack. Can't tell if he actually added some material or not.  A small bead on the painted side sanded down and painted smooth. It is the sidecover for this project actually, though its been stored for many years.

BAck to my inner fender questions. Comments?

And thanks for the props!

[Throttleboss]

use fiberglass repair, very durable, on the underside where it cant be seen

[MCRider]

use fiberglass repair, very durable, on the underside where it cant be seen

I've got 2 votes for fiberglass, but I like the results of "welding".

In my case the crack lives in a place that cannot stand any increase in thickness. THe inner fender slides into place between some tangs that stick out from the frame and the crack is right there. THe repair needs to be smooth and inocuous. Fiberglass might still work, but I'll try the welding.

Thanks!

PS: Here's Goon's recent thread on welding with MEK. KGhost chimes in with his MEK method also. There are several thread links inside this thread on the subject. Welding seems like a more elegant fix. The crack is actually gone, rather than patched over.

http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=49736.0

[MCRider]

So waiting for Goon's reply on how to know if the inner fender is ABS or PVC, I did some googling.

I've experienced PVC cement on various DIY plumbing projects I'm sure many of you have as well. Now when you cement or "weld" PVC together it is quick and if done properly the joint is stronger than the pipe itself. But right on the bottle it says "not approved for ABS".

So I sez, well is there "ABS Cement"?, googled that and up it comes at Lowe's for $2.72 a bottle (cheap is good because if its like the PVC cement, use it for the current project and it'll be hard by the time you need it again.). And it says "approved for all grades of ABS". Since this is a non-critical part, and a small bottle of MEK is $8 at ACE Hardware, Lowes has a gallon for $16, I think I'll try some ABS Cement.

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