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Re: Phaedrus II: CB750 "Super Standard" - Update 08/08/10- w/ new pics
« Reply #1400 on: August 19, 2010, 12:24:11 AM »
Hey Ron..after you're back..

Have you ever used that "Goof Off" on cleaning other parts..carb parts in particular? 

Just wondering..as I've used Goof Off for years..never thought of using it as carb cleaner tho.  But the idea makes sense.  The neat thing..I'm starting to realize now..about using Goof Off for cleaning certain things..is that you can apply it w/a Q-Tip..etc..control where you want it (unlike using regular carb cleaner)..and it's not as volatile either (but works well if given a little time to work/penetrate).

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Re: Phaedrus II: CB750 "Super Standard" - Update 08/08/10- w/ new pics
« Reply #1401 on: August 19, 2010, 04:39:25 AM »
Hey Ron..after you're back..

Have you ever used that "Goof Off" on cleaning other parts..carb parts in particular? 

Just wondering..as I've used Goof Off for years..never thought of using it as carb cleaner tho.  But the idea makes sense.  The neat thing..I'm starting to realize now..about using Goof Off for cleaning certain things..is that you can apply it w/a Q-Tip..etc..control where you want it (unlike using regular carb cleaner)..and it's not as volatile either (but works well if given a little time to work/penetrate).

Looking forward to your reply..

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Oh yeah, I use GoofOff for everything that's small and sticky. It evaporates too quickly for broad cleaning, but like the slide needles, it was quick shiny clean with no residue.

My mom got a case of the stuff a tenant left behind at a rental (who knows where they got it) and we're still trying to use it up.
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Re: Phaedrus II: CB750 "Super Standard" - Update 08/16/10- w/ new pics
« Reply #1402 on: August 19, 2010, 02:13:03 PM »
Raffster alluded to it, but thanks to HondaNorway for the tip. THe oven cleaner loosened the anodizing and steel wool took it off. Another step along the way.

Am packing now for my trip, 3 days 2 nights to Marietta OH. I know many of you ahve already done much more this season, but I'm just hapy to get out on the road. Get some rejuvenation.

I knew the Phaedrus project would take a long time, and I had a limited budget of weekly hours to invest. This is longer than even I expected. But we've hardly missed a week in 2 years and we'll keep at it.

THe first Phaedrus was done in a month with a lot of weekend mods thrown in. But so many compromises. Now that I've matured, I want a different result.

THe treasury is in good shape, and most has been bot (heard that before).

I'll post a little ride report in the appropriate spaces, other bikes or whatever. See ya.  :D
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Re: Phaedrus II: CB750 "Super Standard" - Update 08/16/10- w/ new pics
« Reply #1403 on: August 29, 2010, 08:28:28 PM »
Back from a great MSTA ride. See thread: http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=76138.msg848115

Well, X number of hours procrastination for 5 minutes productivity: Master Cylinder rebuild went swimmingly:

I know many of you have done this and no big deal. I have never and it went really well after deciding to get on it.

It was so easy I hope I did it right. But the feel of the piston sliding in and the fit of the parts seemed really good. I used a pick which I think is for gutting walnuts, to clean the circlip groove and the bottom of the chamber.

So we cleaned off the work bench

I'm a little embarrased to show this. A box I filled with engine parts, dated 11/08

If Terry can get away with pictures of his hollow 1080cc so can I  ;D  ;D

Lets hope that starting on the engine in the day of the MotoGP is of benefit.
We spent the morning chasing the holes and oil galleys,

Even though we'd cleaned it already, the second go around yields more crud. Third time should be the charm and we'll load up the crankshaft.


So I have these really nice pair of hondaline Sport Bike leather gloves. The index and middle finger of the right hand has got some sticky goo on them. Can't imagine where it came from. See the paper towel sticking to the third finger.

This renders them virtually unusable. Its only on the underside, grip side of the full length of the 1st and 2nd fingers. Can't imagine what I've gotten on them to do this. I've scrubbed them with Dawn and hot water, seems to help a tiny bit. They were on a shelf where i sprayed some insecticide. That's all I can think of. Any suggestions?
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Re: Phaedrus II: CB750 "Super Standard" - Update 08/16/10- w/ new pics
« Reply #1404 on: August 29, 2010, 08:30:47 PM »
omg i wish i had 3 hands like you. looking great looking foreward to seeing the bike come to completion
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Re: Phaedrus II: CB750 "Super Standard" - Update 08/16/10- w/ new pics
« Reply #1405 on: August 29, 2010, 09:04:32 PM »
omg i wish i had 3 hands like you. looking great looking foreward to seeing the bike come to completion
Yeah, really comes in handy!   ;D

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Re: Phaedrus II: CB750 "Super Standard" - Update 08/29/10- w/ new pics
« Reply #1406 on: August 29, 2010, 09:14:23 PM »
Try some Lexol Leather Cleaner and follow with a light coat of Lexol Leather Conditioner. Tack shops and some of the Auto Parts stores have it. Good stuff.

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Re: Phaedrus II: CB750 "Super Standard" - Update 08/29/10- w/ new pics
« Reply #1407 on: August 30, 2010, 08:25:46 AM »
Speaking as we were of paint jobs, i ran across this at a recent outing:


When I caught up to the owner, his buddies were ribbing him about his "bass boat" or "fishing boat" as they called it.   ;D

 I've promised myself that at least once before i die, I'll have a metalflake paint job.
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Re: Phaedrus II: CB750 "Super Standard" - Update 08/29/10- w/ new pics
« Reply #1408 on: August 30, 2010, 11:48:43 AM »
his friends are just jealous.  ;D

'flake is cool... go for it!  8)


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Re: Phaedrus II: CB750 "Super Standard" - Update 08/29/10- w/ new pics
« Reply #1409 on: August 30, 2010, 12:22:28 PM »
his friends are just jealous.  ;D

'flake is cool... go for it!  8)


Reminds me of the motorcycles at the fair on the kid's ride...they are all flaked out...

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Re: Phaedrus II: CB750 "Super Standard" - Update 08/29/10- w/ new pics
« Reply #1410 on: September 01, 2010, 01:03:59 AM »
Yeah..I agree..

Metal flake paint jobs still look cool!  Think the main thing that  makes the difference between a good and half-A one though..is whether or not it's rubbed-out and clear coated well after laying on the final color.  Have seen some really rough ones that weren't.  Looked like someone put it on with a roller..sheesh!  Oh..and the flakes need to be smaller sized rather than bigger I think..to get them to lay down flat.

Back in the late 50's..early 60's when that stuff first came out..remember there being "prototype" flake jobs that looked like there were sequins in there..lol.

"Pearl" paint jobs (with real sardine scales) were/are cool too..I feel.
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Re: Phaedrus II: CB750 "Super Standard" - Update 08/29/10- w/ new pics
« Reply #1411 on: September 01, 2010, 01:38:54 AM »
yeah, i like those pearl paint jobs, candys too. i grew up on a diet of early rock n roll and barris kustoms when other kids were drooling over trans ams and listening to kiss.  :D

i look forward to seeing ron's paint job!

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Re: Phaedrus II: CB750 "Super Standard" - Update 08/29/10- w/ new pics
« Reply #1412 on: September 01, 2010, 05:45:50 AM »
his friends are just jealous.  ;D

'flake is cool... go for it!  8)


Reminds me of the motorcycles at the fair on the kid's ride...they are all flaked out...

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Yeah that often got me, why are those things so fancy?  Well of course kids like shiny things.  ;)
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Re: Phaedrus II: CB750 "Super Standard" - Update 08/29/10- w/ new pics
« Reply #1413 on: September 01, 2010, 06:00:36 AM »
Al: Yeah, I'll want the biggest flakes the painter feels comfortable with, I know they get hard to handle.
Goof-Off? Well as the label says: all types of adhesives, but you've got to be wary as its nasty stuff and may eat some plastics, remove paint etc. I'm going to try a toucj on the sticky stuff on my leather gloves. It may eat thru them, but they are worthless to me now. regular leather cleaners and warm water and soap aren't touching it.

back to the picture of the bass boat Kawasaki, in the background is a guy on a grey 919, with tail cowl, chin bib and body color bikini fairing. That's Tom Bartels I met him 20+ years ago and he was an old guy then. Must be deep into his 70s now. I always talk to him in the parking lot, but I seldom ride with him. Frankly, I can't keep up.

When I first met him he had just bought one of the first HawkGTs available, in a "screw the warranty" fashion he turned it over to a speed shop in Ohio specializing in the Hawks, got a full race 700cc kit, crank, rods, headwork, bigger valves, everything, full fairing. Dynoed at 90hp.  He was letting people take rides on it, always wish I'd taken him up.

Every bike he's ever had was heavily modified, don't know what's in the 919. Something to say for a successful retirement. I think he was a plumber. (Probably had his own shop.)
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Re: Phaedrus II: CB750 "Super Standard" - Update 08/29/10- w/ new pics
« Reply #1414 on: September 01, 2010, 09:53:00 AM »
Try WD-40 on those gloves, it is good for removing glue, and I don't think it will hurt the leather.
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Re: Phaedrus II: CB750 "Super Standard" - Update 08/29/10- w/ new pics
« Reply #1415 on: September 01, 2010, 10:15:32 AM »
Try WD-40 on those gloves, it is good for removing glue, and I don't think it will hurt the leather.
Good idea, I skipped right over that one!
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Re: Phaedrus II: CB750 "Super Standard" - Update 09/05/10- w/ new pics
« Reply #1416 on: September 05, 2010, 01:54:35 PM »
As to the gloves I tried everything. What I discovered in all this, and I probably knew this when I bot them, the index and middle finger are not leather, at least the panel that touches the grip/lever. Something else, and that's why only they are sticky I guess. So nothing would touch the stickiness. On a final whim, I soaked the 2 fingers in Hondaline cleaner. They got better. After each soaking (spray and let it sink in) they got better. After 5 soakings I'd say, they are fixed. Beat's me.

On to the bike. Had a good day. Bruce and I tinkered with this and that getting ready. Taking stuff off the breakdown table was like an archialogical dig. Layer after layer, clean sort, put away. Down there somewhere at the bottom was the APERacing crank with the Crower rods.
Found the Primary Chain tenseioner. New, with the Voxonda shim, it stands proud:

Old, with 50K+ miles on it and much abuse, tired and sagging, (though the rubber wheel wasn't too bad off:

An old alternator stator nattily repaired, (not by me) I tried to sell it but the buyer rejected it (the splices were wrapped in tape and I hadn't looked) and I don't blame him. Anyone know who could do a good repair on this wiring? Luckily I have one or two good ones for my use...somewhere.


Ah, two spark advancers. See the coils on the one on the right, how stretched out they are? In my experience, this can cause erratic timing. The one on the left must be from a parts bike, ITs a little rusty, nothing the soda blaster can't handle. But the springs look great.

Ah there it is, the crank:

Cleaned the bearings, and plastigauged them for the 3rd time.


All's well. A final cleaning of the lower case is in order. No matter how hard I've tried, each time I look at it again, I find glass beads stuck in some corner. Gotta be perfectly clean.

In the meantime, I've got about an hours worth of soda blasting to do.

Half parts to be used on the engine, half parts I'm trying to sell.

Movin on!  ;D
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Re: Phaedrus II: CB750 "Super Standard" - Update 09/05/10- w/ new pics
« Reply #1417 on: September 05, 2010, 04:33:33 PM »
Do you know what the winding is suppose to be for the rewound sections? I see coils that are very loose in the foreground and very sloppy job of winding. I can do a better job than that using my teeth.  ;D ;)

The coils rewound need epoxied after repairs to keep them intact and protected/solid.

Natty isn't the word I would use, shoddy is closer to what I would call it.

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Re: Phaedrus II: CB750 "Super Standard" - Update 09/05/10- w/ new pics
« Reply #1418 on: September 05, 2010, 05:12:50 PM »
Do you know what the winding is suppose to be for the rewound sections? I see coils that are very loose in the foreground and very sloppy job of winding. I can do a better job than that using my teeth.  ;D ;)

The coils rewound need epoxied after repairs to keep them intact and protected/solid.

Natty isn't the word I would use, shoddy is closer to what I would call it.

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I'll get one of my good ones to compare, but I think what you are looking at is all stock except for the 3 solder joints of the 3 leads. That's all that was repaired. Don't hold me to that till I get a good one side by side.
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Re: Phaedrus II: CB750 "Super Standard" - Update 09/05/10- w/ new pics
« Reply #1419 on: September 07, 2010, 08:10:13 PM »
Well Rafster, here is on the right a fully functional stator removed from a running bike (mine). The look of all the windings is identical to the one posted earlier that you think was repaired. It is in fact all stock except for the solder joints on the 3 leads.

I don't dispute your opinion that its a sloppy job, I'm not qualified to say. I'm just saying thats what stock CB750 stators look like.

Question still stands. I'd like to have the leads repaired to where someone would be comfortable using it. I can't imagine why they were repaired, almost make me think they were cut on purpose.  But one can see how the lead looks on the right.

Also the one on the left has rub markson the inside where the rotor spins. The one on the right is clear of any marks. I guess it would take installing it to see if it matters. New ones aren't cheap. No longer available from Honda, only aftermarket.


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Re: Phaedrus II: CB750 "Super Standard" - Update 09/05/10- w/ new pics
« Reply #1421 on: September 08, 2010, 05:18:11 AM »
G'Day Ron, I love your work mate, well done. I would give those cases a really good wash in warm soapy water to help flush out the blasting grit, I did what you did and ran all the threads etc when my cases came back, but as there was a fine "dust" over everything I decided to wash em out and scrub everything again with brushes, bore brushes, pipe cleaners etc, and I was shocked at the amount of grit I found in the bottom of the tub afterwards, it was scary! Have you got a pic of Rob's primary tensioner "wedge"? I might have to make one up for my 1060 engine. Cheers, Terry. ;D 
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« Reply #1422 on: September 08, 2010, 07:09:41 AM »
Thanks Terry, that means a lot and is incentive to push on.

I did wash both cases in a large tub with soapy water before painting. I can do that again to the bottom, but I think I'm close enough to clean that a small paint brush with some acetone and a vacuum will finish the job. But you're right the stuff is everywhere.

The plate is 1/8 inch stock cut to fit under the spring but on top of the bracket, held in place by a longer mounting bolt. It requires some relief as the head of the locating pin will elevate the plate. You'll see what i mean when you look at it. And i will snap some photos next time I'm out.

The preload may make the spring fatigue faster. My feeling is if I ride this hard enough and long enough to make that happen, I'll be glad to replace it. In the meantime it should be quieter.
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Re: Phaedrus II: CB750 "Super Standard" - Update 09/05/10- w/ new pics
« Reply #1423 on: September 08, 2010, 07:28:16 PM »
Here's the primary tensioner shim I just made for myself last week.  Like Ron's it it 1/8" stock.  The narrowed section near the bottom is to clear the tensioner arm when it's in the fully-compressed position.  The lower hole is countersunk on the underside to clear the tensioner's locating pin as mentioned above.

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« Reply #1424 on: September 08, 2010, 07:35:17 PM »
Jeez Mystic had to show me up huh?  ;)  Actually very nicely done. Here's mine. Plate:

Plate/shim with tensioner flipped over to expose the head of the locating pin. I though I had relieved the shim to clear the pin, but i must have gotten tired of grinding with my dremel and just drilled another hole like Mystic, for the head of the pin to nestle up into.

Installed:


I didn't notice a need to narrow the shim, so now I must go outside and see if my shim will clear the tensioner. I'll report back.
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