Topic: cb400f "rearsets" on a cb500?!?

[canttuckmyshirt]

Am I the first to try this?!? It's a bolt on, but it looks a little off 

It moved the pegs back nicely. The right side sticks out a bit and the kick starter is blocked...

[bwaller]

You're right it is a good position just under the swingarm pivot, and directly under the riders ass (or mass!) Not uncomfortably rearward, just right IMO, you'll like the position.

Reweld the arm on the underside of the shift lever and invert the shifter arm too. (I used an aluminum Gixxer lever with some mods. It's all about weight reduction you know)




You can remove a substantial amount of meat from the 400F footpeg arm and not reduce strength.




On the right side heated and bent the 400F brake lever to fit "tighter"

[Laminar]

Based on this thread I picked up a set on eBay and put them on my '76 CB550.

Contrary to that post, I didn't have to drill anything out, they bolted straight up.

The shifter is precariously close to the engine case. I'll have to watch to make sure it's not rubbing.

The kickstart is blocked now, I haven't seen a 400f kickstart lever to know what it looks like.

I cut off the footguard chunk of the right side so that it would bolt on with the kickstart lever attached.

Disassembled and painted:


Right side old vs. new position:


Shifter:


Wider view:


Modified 550 brake lever:


Brake lever installed:


Riding position:

[patricke9]

I plan on doing this on my '77CB550k soon- got a friend that just put Raask rear sets on his 400 & I'm getting his stock pegs.

[JZEROE]

The 400f rearsets block the kickstart on a 400f as well. That's why the right-side peg flips up and out of the way. I currently have a 550 kickstart lever on my 400, and it works fine. It just looks dumb and rubs against my shin... anyone got a 400f or 350 kickstart to sell?

[von_Wanderlust]

This is a great mod, I love the factory look. I'll have to keep an eye out myself for a set of CB400 rearsets. (Feel free to PM me if you want to get rid of some.)

[bill440cars]

This is a great mod, I love the factory look. I'll have to keep an eye out myself for a set of CB400 rearsets. (Feel free to PM me if you want to get rid of some.)

          It always get my attention, to see folks coming up with ideas on how to do things in a custom way and share those ideas with others.

[Laminar]

The 400f rearsets block the kickstart on a 400f as well. That's why the right-side peg flips up and out of the way. I currently have a 550 kickstart lever on my 400, and it works fine. It just looks dumb and rubs against my shin... anyone got a 400f or 350 kickstart to sell?

That makes SO MUCH SENSE NOW. Awesome.

[patricke9]

The 400f rearsets block the kickstart on a 400f as well. That's why the right-side peg flips up and out of the way. I currently have a 550 kickstart lever on my 400, and it works fine. It just looks dumb and rubs against my shin... anyone got a 400f or 350 kickstart to sell?

I have a kickstart lever off a '78 CB750F I'm planning on using after I do the swap, I've been told they swing out a little more than the 550's.  If I remember correctly it's close to the same length (it's in a box somewhere) I hope to get the pegs this week sometime so I guess I have to dig it out soon.  I also plan on having a metal shop close to where I work tweek either the 400 or the 550's brake pedal.

[von_Wanderlust]

This is a great mod, I love the factory look. I'll have to keep an eye out myself for a set of CB400 rearsets. (Feel free to PM me if you want to get rid of some.)

          It always get my attention, to see folks coming up with ideas on how to do things in a custom way and share those ideas with others.

Yeah, I love these FOURums!... 

[bwaller]

The 400f rearsets block the kickstart on a 400f as well. That's why the right-side peg flips up and out of the way. I currently have a 550 kickstart lever on my 400, and it works fine. It just looks dumb and rubs against my shin... anyone got a 400f or 350 kickstart to sell?

I have a kickstart lever off a '78 CB750F I'm planning on using after I do the swap, I've been told they swing out a little more than the 550's.  If I remember correctly it's close to the same length (it's in a box somewhere) I hope to get the pegs this week sometime so I guess I have to dig it out soon.  I also plan on having a metal shop close to where I work tweek either the 400 or the 550's brake pedal.

The 400F brake pedal (above) needs two bends to bring it in tighter to the clutch cover. I also used 600F3 footpegs and an 86 GSXR aluminum shift lever, which directly fits in place of the 400F piece (except for the linkage rod thread)

[Laminar]

It should be noted that even with the right peg folded up, the 550k kickstart lever hits the peg. I'm looking for a 550f lever, as I believe that should solve my problem.

[JZEROE]

I have a 550 kickstart lever that works on a folding-peg 400f. PM me if you're interested—though I'll have to wait till next week to pull it off my bike. Snow expected in Tahoe...

[Scott S]

I have a 550 kickstart lever that works on a folding-peg 400f. PM me if you're interested—though I'll have to wait till next week to pull it off my bike. Snow expected in Tahoe...

 What year is the kick lever from?

[Laminar]

A 550f kick lever works with the 400f rearsets.

[Scott S]

 550f as in Four, or as in a '76 or '77 (which is the F model)?

EDIT

 Looked at the model guide and I see the difference between F and K models, but what's different about the kickstart? If I was searching ebay, they're not always very clear about year or model designation.
 Any pics of the difference? I see some that have a straighter looking shaft and some with a pronounced curve at the bottom. Which one would I need?

[Laminar]

550f as in Four, or as in a '76 or '77 (which is the F model)?

There was both a K and an F in '76 and '77, and there was never a non-four 550.

EDIT

 Looked at the model guide and I see the difference between F and K models, but what's different about the kickstart? If I was searching ebay, they're not always very clear about year or model designation.
 Any pics of the difference? I see some that have a straighter looking shaft and some with a pronounced curve at the bottom. Which one would I need?

Curved. That's from the CB550 "F" model.

[brett_bike]

I have the same one's, just haven't installed yet.  My shift linkage hit's the side cover.

[Laminar]

I put mine in a vice and hit it with a hammer a few times to bend it outward so it wouldn't hit the side cover.

[Kevin400F]

I ground the back side of the heim joint "ball" stud, punched it out of the link I had (which had an angle to it already), turned the link around and reattached the heim joint ball stud on the other side.  Lots more clearance.

[brett_bike]

Anybody have an issue with the side stand being in the way? Set mine up this morning and when the side stand is up it blocked me from getting my foot below the shift lever.

[Laminar]

Is your toe is bumping that little rod used to put the kickstand down? Mine was, so I cut it off and re-welded where it wouldn't interfere with my foot:

[Scott S]

 One question I don't see addressed: What do you do about the rear brake switch/spring? Can you still activate the rear brake light with the 400F pegs/brake lever?

[Owned]

You could easily do what I've done for my CB350F/400F hybrid proj.  I've used parts from the FZR600 rearset with Lockhart Phillips pegs and stock Honda return springs.  Connecting rods have yet to be completed but that will be easy.  On the brake side, I've taken a cutoff wheel to the stock brake pedal and cut off the pedal leaving the mounting hub.  A simple tab was then welded to the hub.  You can then buy Heim joints in LH and RH thread.  Simple cheap solution really. 

On your bike you have the same passenger peg tabs that I had on the 350F frame.

See pics below:

[Scott S]

 That's a cool set-up, but doesn't really address the brake switch spring with 400F pegs.
 I could run "true" rear sets and do what you're doing, but I'm hoping to make the 400F stuff work on my CB500 and keep it all Honda, for now.

 I'm sure if I studied it long enough I could figure something out, but I was hoping there'd be someone here who's already been there and could show me.

[Owned]

Forgive me if i'm leading this down the wrong path...I'm not as familiar with the 500.  Is it not possible to run your brake return spring 'inboard' vs out?  See where this connects to the pivot arm below:

[Scott S]

 Hmmm, not sure. I'll have to check. I DO have a 400F pivot, but I'm thinking the arm on it is much shorter than the 500 pivot arm. Not sure what that will do as far as how the rear brake functions.

[bwaller]

Just weld your brake light switch bracket on the inside of the frame rail and a tab to the 500 pivoit arm for the spring to attach to.

Poor pic but you get the drift. Same idea as above except with a winters worth of dust.

[Scott S]

 I went out to the garage and took a look. I think the 400F brake pivot will work and it has an arm for the spring already attached. I'd still have to move the switch bracket.
 Or, weld a small tab onto the 400F brake pedal and keep the 500 switch location. That way, I can return it to stock if need be.

 Brent, I see you removed that "guard" or loop or whatever it is from the RH side foot peg. It looks like it will be in the way even with the 550F kick pedal. Easy enough to remove, I guess.

 

[Fritz]

This thread is great news. Last week, I was thinking about how to move the pegs backwards just a tiny bit on my CB550F. Now I'll give the CB400F pegs a try and see if the 550F brake pedal fits.

[Clinto]

This thread is great news. Last week, I was thinking about how to move the pegs backwards just a tiny bit on my CB550F. Now I'll give the CB400F pegs a try and see if the 550F brake pedal fits.

Fritz, did you ever get to try 400F footpegs on your 550F? I have a 550F and am interested in trying this out but I can't find any answers on whether it works on the 550F as it does on the 550K

[Fritz]

Hello Clinto,

Fritz, did you ever get to try 400F footpegs on your 550F? I have a 550F and am interested in trying this out but I can't find any answers on whether it works on the 550F as it does on the 550K

Bought the 400F footpegs but found that I need the brake lever too. Also, I think an engine bolt of the 550K is required. Meanwhile there was just not enough time to do more than maintenance work on the bike. Wrenching is fun, but riding is even more fun
Maybe, if  I find a 400F brake lever, I will try again...

[Clinto]

Cool, thanks for the reply. If you ever find a brake lever and get it together be sure to update us

[cosmicvision]

+1 for updates .. Curious to see a definitive list of parts to run 400f pegs on a 550k, in the interest of retaining a stock look with no modifications & minimal down time, it's July and I don't have a welder. There is a set on flea bay currently:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1976-HONDA-CB400-PEGS-PEG-BRACKETS-CB-400-FRONT-PEGS-REAR-PEGS-EXTRA-FRONT-PEG-/282469563893?hash=item41c47f7df5:g:04QAAOSwaeRZEi0p&vxp=mtr

Within this link is a list of parts, front & rear pegs from a '76 400f and their mounting brackets. What else is needed?

[Scott S]

 That's a lot of money for a set missing the linkage and shifter.
 I've done it a few times. I can post up pics and a better description later when I'm not on my phone. I have a thread around here somewhere, too.

[Scott S]

 Here's a thread that covers the "How To" portion a little more :

http://forums.sohc4.net/index.php?topic=89003.0

 To work the best, the heim joint on the shifter needs to be flipped (requires grinding and rewelding). There's a bracket on the RH peg that needs to be removed. Sometimes, the holes on the back side of the pegs that align with the post on the frame need to be enlarged or ovaled out. The brake lever needs to be heated and bent and a tab added for the rear brake light switch. And lastly, you'll need a 550F kicker.