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hydrogen booster?
« on: June 26, 2008, 06:03:25 PM »
first of all, this guy is on crack, $2000? Second, Hydrogen Booster? I have seen them on heavy trucks, never on a bike though. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Honda-CB-Honda-CB650-Custom-1981-with-hydrogen-booster_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ80647QQihZ020QQitemZ300235458129QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

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Re: hydrogen booster?
« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2008, 06:07:25 PM »
well, as hot as it gets in atlanta (called hotlanta by locals) maybe his brain baked or something.

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Re: hydrogen booster?
« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2008, 06:19:37 PM »
Seems there is a ton of BS on eBay these days. Is it me or is it more now than ever?

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Re: hydrogen booster?
« Reply #3 on: June 26, 2008, 06:21:35 PM »
it's not you mate

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Re: hydrogen booster?
« Reply #4 on: June 26, 2008, 06:52:21 PM »
Hey now its cheap entertainment.  ;D
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Re: hydrogen booster?
« Reply #5 on: June 26, 2008, 07:23:14 PM »
I messaged him to ask if it also had a flux capacitor  ;D
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Re: hydrogen booster?
« Reply #6 on: June 26, 2008, 07:40:16 PM »
I have been watching a hydrogen booster blog in Yahoo called watercar@yahoogroups.com. It is a bunch of guys experimenting with homemade hydrogen boosters and using them to supplement gas use.

I have made a simple HHO generator, using a 12OZ plastic bottle stainless welding rod and 12V, it only took about 30 seconds to make a very nice fireball.

If you pipe this gas (O,H mix) into your intake you can lean the air fuel mix plus the addition of pure oxygen gives a better burn, at least that is what the blog group is pushing.

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Re: hydrogen booster?
« Reply #7 on: June 27, 2008, 05:23:03 AM »
Again.....
Look, there's something like energy summary. It means that energy needed to get oxygen and hydogen from the water (electrolysis) is far more that you will get from burning them. The simplest example (followed in teh whole nature, and called entropia) - will you spend more energy making order in your room, or making mess? :D

It CANNOT work. The physics that we know, doesn't permit it.
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Re: hydrogen booster?
« Reply #8 on: June 27, 2008, 05:42:25 AM »
if it worked then we would have defied all of thermodynamics, and thus in creating perpetual motion, which means that the very foundation of our known universe would be eradicated.  i can see the benefit of Brown's gas for industrial purposes, ie cutting and the like, but for use in your vehicle?  if it worked as well as these "experts" claim, then don't you think it would have a bigger following than some old crazy hippies?? 
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« Reply #9 on: June 27, 2008, 05:55:40 AM »
Again.....
Look, there's something like energy summary. It means that energy needed to get oxygen and hydogen from the water (electrolysis) is far more that you will get from burning them. The simplest example (followed in teh whole nature, and called entropia) - will you spend more energy making order in your room, or making mess? :D

It CANNOT work. The physics that we know, doesn't permit it.
Don't know too much about adding hydrogen, but the proponents claim that it acts like a catalyst rather than a fuel itself.  To work it would mean that its presence improves the efficiency of the burn (and the useable energy output) to level that surpasses the energy required to generate the hydrogen itself.  Think of it like a the match flame that allows you to unlock the power of a stick of dynamite . . .Does it work? Don't know but with the price of gas there is sure to be an abundance of snake oil salesman out there making it difficult know what to believe. . .

From wikipedia
"Catalysis is the process by which the rate of a chemical reaction (or biological process) is increased by means of a species known as a catalyst. Unlike other reagents that participate in the reaction, a catalyst is not consumed in the reaction. Thuss, the catalyst may participlate in multiple chemical transformations. As a catalyst is regenerated in a reaction, often only small amounts are needed to increase the rate of the reaction. In practice, however, catalysts are sometimes consumed in secondary processes."

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Re: hydrogen booster?
« Reply #10 on: June 27, 2008, 06:29:25 AM »
I think I'll build one, and hook it up to the cb350 twin racebike for when I take it to the dyno.
Get some good evidence one way or the other.
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« Reply #11 on: June 27, 2008, 06:43:04 AM »
So guys, I was standing on my toilet (Why? I dont know). And I fell. When I woke up, apparently I had made this...

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Re: hydrogen booster?
« Reply #12 on: June 27, 2008, 06:47:49 AM »
if it worked then we would have defied all of thermodynamics, and thus in creating perpetual motion, which means that the very foundation of our known universe would be eradicated.  i can see the benefit of Brown's gas for industrial purposes, ie cutting and the like, but for use in your vehicle?  if it worked as well as these "experts" claim, then don't you think it would have a bigger following than some old crazy hippies?? 

following some old crazy hippies would be fun! or entertaining to say the least
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Re: hydrogen booster?
« Reply #13 on: June 27, 2008, 06:49:02 AM »
I messaged him to ask if it also had a flux capacitor  ;D
He's the inventor of the "Mr. Fusion" conversion.  :D   :D

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Re: hydrogen booster?
« Reply #14 on: June 27, 2008, 07:49:10 AM »
Again.....
Look, there's something like energy summary. It means that energy needed to get oxygen and hydogen from the water (electrolysis) is far more that you will get from burning them. The simplest example (followed in teh whole nature, and called entropia) - will you spend more energy making order in your room, or making mess? :D

It CANNOT work. The physics that we know, doesn't permit it.

Your driving the generator no matter what.
 I don't know much about the physics/chemistry or thermodynamics (but, I can spell it  ;D)
Most of the 'things' on internet a present use lower than atmospheric pressure low voltage electrolysis, in effect they are water vapor/hydrogen (running a 'steam engine  ;D)
 The water vapor expands more than air and also cools cylinder. (same reasoning that bikes run better when its foggy out)
From the research I've done over last several years it only needs  1.5~2% of 'Browns Gas' to allow a leaner mixture burn. Hydrogen has an octane rating around 130 but burns much faster than gasoline so timing etc has to be modified.
 Engine has to be running at relatively high rpm for most of the stuff to work (ign at full advance, 3,000rpm or more)
 There is an awful lot of nonsense being put about at present with some downright lies about mpg improvements. (going  from 25 mpg to 80+mpg aint gonna happen) Best you can realistically hope for is 2~3% or about what you lose by using 10% ethanol gas
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Re: hydrogen booster?
« Reply #15 on: June 27, 2008, 06:18:08 PM »
idk about only being able to improve MPGs only alittle.....i can get more then twice the power from a small block chevy then how the motor came from GM.....why cant i do the same with MPGs?

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Re: hydrogen booster?
« Reply #16 on: June 27, 2008, 06:27:31 PM »
I emailed the seller asking for a picture of the booster....

Here is his response:

Dear kghost2,

the pics are old, and I don't have a camera available

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Re: hydrogen booster?
« Reply #17 on: June 27, 2008, 06:41:25 PM »
So guys, I was standing on my toilet (Why? I dont know). And I fell. When I woke up, apparently I had made this...

sweet! now you can time travel back to when that bike was $2000!
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Re: hydrogen booster?
« Reply #18 on: June 27, 2008, 07:29:36 PM »
I hashed out the HHO stuff on a different forum with some very smart people for quite some time.  The end result was this.  The real advantage from the HHO is it speeds the flame-front propogation inside the cylinder.  Eliminates hot-spots and ensures all the fuel is burned.  This does mean you can run a *slightly* leaner mixture.  Honestly, best results from real people trying this stuff was like 5% improvement, and that was using catalysts in the water (sodium hydroxide and stuff) which add cost.  There's no free lunch, and in the end it all works out about the same except it takes you a ton of time and effort (which aren't really free, now are they?).

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« Reply #19 on: June 27, 2008, 07:50:02 PM »
So guys, I was standing on my toilet (Why? I dont know). And I fell.

Weren't you hanging a clock? I should know this cause I've seen the movie a zillion times.
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Re: hydrogen booster?
« Reply #20 on: June 27, 2008, 08:08:43 PM »
Okay, here's the weird part.  Probably like many of you, I checked out that website last night.  When I went to get a haircut this morning, my barber had a printout from a website on the same subject!?!
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« Reply #21 on: June 27, 2008, 08:57:27 PM »
I for one am glad that people are getting involved in the process, it is easy to get in to the mind set that everything that an ordinary person could invent has been invented, when in reality a lot of it has been swept under the rug because it might not be it the best interest of big business

I am guessing that eventually battery technology will be the answer to many of our energy problems, but it will be hard it get used to silent vehicles. Hey man can you dig the whoosh of those nylon gears?

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« Reply #22 on: June 27, 2008, 09:31:23 PM »
I am guessing that eventually battery technology will be the answer to many of our energy problems, but it will be hard it get used to silent vehicles.

Oh, you won't have to.   The government is working on minimum noise emission laws for vehicles.  ::)

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